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Who will helm 'The Hobbit'?

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Jun 1 2010, 3:29pm

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In case you were unplugged and off the information grid all weekend, TheOneRing.net broke the story that Guillermo del Toro has stepped away from directing duties on two planned (hoped for) films based on J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Hobbit.” We are assured (by one of the super-good inside sources) that GDT’s DNA in the form of script and design and pre-viz work will remain in place, new director willing. And why would they find a director who isn’t willing or wants to revisit the same work?

After getting over the shock and feeling the loss of our message board member’s departure, and wishing him all the best, the question now becomes: Who will direct “The Hobbit”? We have some ideas and maybe even some insights.

Peter Jackson:
Current Hobbit co-writer and producer, he says he will not let the project fall apart but he told the Dominion Post: “If that’s what I have to do to protect Warner Bros’ investment, then obviously that’s one angle which I’ll explore.” It sounds like Jackson is reassuring Warners and fans not to despair. Conversations with the studios and Jackson on a replacement have already started and it isn’t as though there aren’t talented directors who would want to tackle these films. For example . . .

Neil Blomkamp:
His “District 9″ came from the ashes of the failed “Halo” film, with Peter Jackson producing and earned an Academy Award nomination for “Best Picture.” Jackson thought the young director could handle the giant, special-effects-heavy video game film and then he made the independently-financed Wikus Van De Merwe film with down-on-their-luck aliens who crave cat food in Johannesburg. It earned over $200 million worldwide. Imagine what he could do with Weta and a budget. (And, we note, little or no studio interference!)

Sam Raimi:
This man is a true geek (in a good way) and before del Toro was signed, we kept hearing his name as a strong possibility for “The Hobbit”. He has made action-oriented films with lighthearted moments and has nailed genre characters while producing big-time profits for studios. Fans who haven’t forgiven him for “Emo” Peter Parker need to have a guffaw with him for “From Hell. He gets it. Would he direct after not being the first choice? Bruce Campbell as Bard the Bowman?

Alfonso Cuaron:
A lot of fans (and one would assume studio types) would love to see GDT’s friend step in to fill the gap. The director of a book-adapted Harry Potter film that runs circles around the rest in the series and especially the transcendent “Children of Men,” would be welcome. But unless this MGM situation gets settled soon (and we maintain from whispers that it might), what advice do you think he would hear from his pal Guillermo?

Andrew Adamson:
It seems almost impossible that Adamson could direct and produce Narnia movies and Shrek movies and then fly under the radar as well as he has. Like Jackson, he calls New Zealand home and is based just a short flight up the island in Auckland. He already has extensive experience with Weta (LOTR’s, Narnia’s and the Hobbit’s special effects house) and might make the smoothest transition to helm the films. He may lack the “edge” that del Toro and Jackson and even Raimi and Blomkamp have shown in their bodies of work or it may be that he just hasn’t had the opportunities. Still, it seems impossible not to have him in the conversation.

Steven Spielberg
and James Cameron are unlikely candidates despite what some fans wish for. Jackson’s circle of friends is pretty interesting though and Cameron raves about working in New Zealand and with Weta but there is nothing to suggest either of these busy guys are an actual possibility. Other names are being thrown around the internet wildly. Some are guesses, some are speculation and some are completely absurd. Hey! Why not Woody Allen? He directs movies after all!

Remember, Jackson wasn’t a proven big-budget commodity when New Line took a chance on “The Lord of the Rings,” more than 10 years ago. He had directed some splatter films, “Heavenly Creatures,” and “The Frighteners,” before New Line handed over the reigns. He appreciates and develops unheralded talent and may pull a director out of his hat. Imagine the size and scope of what “Halo,” would have been and he was perfectly willing to let the unknown Blomkamp have a go. Remember too that the project fell apart because the studios couldn’t come to terms on how to divide the (probably) billions with each other and it had nothing at all to do with the rookie director.

To be clear, the project lives on, Guillermo’s and Jackson’s influence remain and “The Hobbit” will go forward with a new director. Who? When? Stay tuned and you will know when we do.

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Anduril1993
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Jun 1 2010, 9:47pm

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their are many directors that could create the motion picture we all want such as Steven spielberg or any of the others but the only special one and the one we all want to direct the two hobbit movies is Peter Jackson because of his mind blowing work of bringing the Lord of the rings trilogy to life.

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Jun 1 2010, 9:53pm

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PJ, GDT or Cuaron

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Jun 1 2010, 9:55pm

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Not every person, not every fan, not every member of these boards wants to see PJ direct The Hobbit films. Some of them disliked his version of LOTR and some of them would just prefer to let someone else have a turn in Middle Earth. Let's not put words in their mouths, shall we?



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Jun 1 2010, 9:59pm

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The director's chair is PJ's if he wants it, but personally my first choice has been Alfonso Cuaron from the beginning. Of course, if he's not interested and PJ doesn't want to direct, I hope they can find someone as enthusiastic for the project as GDT seemed. Just waiting, now.



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Jun 1 2010, 10:45pm

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Joel & Ethan Coen "No Country for Old Men", "Fargo" "Hudsucker Proxie" & Many many others others.

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Jun 1 2010, 11:23pm

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that Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban was the worst Harry Potter movie that has come out. So, for me, Cuaron is a definite 'no!' However, I absolutely loved 'Drag Me to Hell' and would definitely put my support behind Raimi. I was impressed by Adamson's first Narnia movie, but I don't think the feeling behind that and the Shrek movies would work well with the Hobbit.

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Doriath
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Jun 1 2010, 11:31pm

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is when the HP movies finally started getting good.

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Jun 1 2010, 11:32pm

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Jun 1 2010, 11:46pm

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I'd have to disagree with you there [In reply to] Can't Post

The Prisoner of Azkaban is the only HP movie that I really enjoy watching again and again
none of the others have the same feel to them
also, IMO starting with #4 on, they started deviating too much from the book

That does not necessarily mean that I want Cuaron directing TH, I'll have to think more on that one


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Gandalf'sMother
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Jun 2 2010, 12:00am

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On Raimi. I understand that he is a "geek" or "true geek" (whatever that means) but am I the only one who doesn't want an uber-geek directing these films, but rather, a master filmmaker with a compelling artistic vision who does not fall prey to the "kewl" whenever the opportunity arises?

Tolkien himself was not a "geek." He was a serious academic linguist who thought and created on an intellecutally profound level. That is the kind of person I want directing these films, and I think Alfonso Cuaron is as close as we can get.


Huan71
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Jun 2 2010, 12:17am

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My initial thinking, based on films i've seen, is Alfonso Cuaron. I also feel that the tone of his films is somewhat similar to Guillermo's...well, closer than anybody else! But, as i've commented elsewhere, it depends on whose got a free slot on their diary for the next 2 (or 6?) years!
Of the directors named above, does anyone know whose got a free schedule and whose a bit tied up?


thesithempire
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Jun 2 2010, 12:33am

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Only two names make any sense to me:

Alfonso Cuaron: He's Del Toro's friend and filmmaking ally, and will go along with all the work Guillermo's done for the last two years rather than chuck it in order to narcisstically put "his own stamp" on the process. I've no issue with a director wanting to legitimately improve the script and/or designs. God knows Jackson could've used some of that with the trilogy (hello, mountain trolls, chicken-nugget orc, and piss-poor Army of the Dead conception.) But many directors are more concerned with their vision and name than with preserving the aesthetic of Tolkien's world. Cuaron has proven he can handle fantasy and more importantly, character, drama and world-building. And he can make you *feel* which is imperative for such a project.

Blomkamp: While I'd prefer he complete his trilogy of District films (as I think District 9 was the most fascinating, harrowing, intelligent and emotionally moving science-fiction film to arise in years), this director is clearly gifted and can pull off a special effects film and give it pathos and intelligible action. His indebtedness to Jackson admittedly concerns me as it may make him a little too dutiful to Jackson, something that wouldn't have been the case with Del Toro or Cuaron. No offense to Jackson, but he's had shot and to my eyes, FOTR started off brilliant and went downhill with each film to the point where I have little more than acrimony for ROTK and little faith that he could handle the balance of poignancy and intensity, fantasy and reality, and whimsy and gravitas that the two Hobbit films will require. And let's face it, he's all but admitted that his heart's not in it.


Malveth The Eternal
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Jun 2 2010, 12:52am

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Neil Blomkamp?

Gimme a break. He directed one patchy, uneven, pretty dull action/splatter movie. That's it.
I'll be seriously angry if that twerp gets his mitts on The Hobbit. He doesn't deserve it.

My list (some):
Peter Weir
Jane Campion (This woman really understands mythology (The Piano) atmosphere, character & landscape (Bright Star - best film I saw in 2009). Why not a woman?
Neil Jordan (As you can see I prefer a mature take on this material - we missed out on that for LotRs with PJ at the helm, but there's no reason why The Hobbit shouldn't have a mature feeling to it - it tackles war, death, and other huge serious themes)
Neil Burger (The Illusionist)
Duncan Jones (Moon) - (Now here's a debut that has intelligence, warmth, style & stays focused and on target the whole film. Give him a shot!)
Stephen Poliakoff (The Lost Prince) Really gifted playwright & film director. I've had him in mind for years.
Andy Wilson - He did a great job with "Gormenghast" ten years ago. I'd give him a go!

Just some Fresh ideas - I'm sick to death of seeing the same list of 5 boring names.



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bowencm
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Jun 2 2010, 1:11am

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whoever is chosen for the director's chair, i think the announcement should kept locked up tight like the scripts until an official green light is given...if the studios are as close as they say they are to wrapping up the financial circus called MGM then why not wait...?...we'll all live...i think?

that being said, good GOD i can't wait for this mess to get settled!!!

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Jun 2 2010, 1:30am

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By reports they are good friends. Jackson credits Lucas with "mentoring" him in special effects. And Lucas mentioned that Jackson regularly visited him during the filming of the three Star Wars prequels in Australia.

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Kangi Ska
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Jun 2 2010, 1:37am

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Remember Star Wars II ?
So do I.
I saw it once.

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Laerasyn
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Jun 2 2010, 1:45am

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Please, no Lucas. Just no.

Either something bad happened to the part of his brain that knew how to tell a decent story in between the Star Wars trilogies, or (as I've heard) they just let him go too wild and he had no checks or balances with the last three films. Either way, I would not trust a guy who screws up his own story so badly with The Hobbit.

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Doriath
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Jun 2 2010, 1:49am

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not that I want to start a Star Wars back and forth but, yeah, those SW prequels made me turn my back on that universe and made me embarrassed to have ever been a fan.

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Jun 2 2010, 1:50am

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Neil is probably not right for The Hobbit. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think he showed remarkable skill the first time out with D-9. But he needs a bit more experience before he takes on a project the size of this one.

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Jun 2 2010, 1:50am

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Especially if it's in 3-D.

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Laerasyn
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Jun 2 2010, 1:54am

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Interesting list... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm curious as to why Blomkamp's name is being thrown around. We've only seen one major thing that he's done, and its style was WAY different than anything I'd want to see applied to the Hobbit. I loved District 9, despite some major flaws, and I suppose I'm not saying that he absolutely couldn't do a different style, but it sounds like a pretty huge gamble to put something like The Hobbit in the hands of someone so inexperienced.

Also, I really did not like Cuaron's Prisoner of Azkaban. In my opinion, the meat of the story was lost to too much flourish and "look at me, I'm a director and have a signature style!" -ness, if that makes any sense. As if he was not focused on the heart of the Harry Potter story, but on adding his own creative spin. Not that I know anything about his attitude, it was just a impression I got as a viewer. I don't mind some of his other stuff, but I'm going to have to say no on him for the Hobbit.

I don't know enough about the others to make anything resembling an intelligent comment. On principle, I would prefer to have another relatively unknown director with a heart for the material. And I would kind of prefer not to have PJ do it... while I was overall happy with his films, they were not perfect, and I am really curious to see someone else's vision for Middle-earth.

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Oiotári
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Jun 2 2010, 2:02am

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(this is genuine curiosity as to your reasoning, not bashing of your idea)


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Jun 2 2010, 2:10am

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what do you mean by "chicken nugget orc" ? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not sure I've heard that one before

and now I'm curious
*patiently awaits reply*


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Doriath
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Jun 2 2010, 2:14am

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duats
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Jun 2 2010, 2:17am

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Out of that list, the only two people I'd be completely comfortable with would be Peter Jackson and Alfonso Cuaron.


Oiotári
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Jun 2 2010, 2:20am

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but, yes, I do know which orc you're talking about
I've thought other things, just not "chicken nugget"


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Kangi Ska
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Jun 2 2010, 2:21am

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Isn't that McGothmog? [In reply to] Can't Post

Or have I gotten way too obscure? He deserves a break today! (There I said it...)

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Doriath
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Jun 2 2010, 2:22am

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He kinda looks like Sloth from "The Goonies" Slothmog? ;)

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Jun 2 2010, 2:32am

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that way we can differentiate him from the balrog [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't like having to specify which one I'm talking about
that'll solve the problem Wink


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Jun 2 2010, 2:40am

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cameragod
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Jun 2 2010, 3:00am

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I am available to direct. It will probably mean tweaking my diary but I am willing to do that.


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Jun 2 2010, 3:00am

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duats
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Jun 2 2010, 3:06am

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Let me take a crack at The Hobbit. I'd even work for free, so long as my basic living expenses are covered.


Owain
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Jun 2 2010, 3:08am

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I think he showed remarkable skill the first time out with D-9. But he needs a bit more experience before he takes on a project the size of this one.


PJ hadn't really directed anything of note other than Heavenly Creatures (I am a fan of all of his films). And he was instrumental in getting NB for District - 9, a short film turned feature after Halo was scrapped.

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Oiotári
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Jun 2 2010, 3:14am

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I'm sure we could find SOMETHING that we all agreed upon.... given a year or two Wink


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duats
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Jun 2 2010, 3:15am

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"Alfonso Cuaron: He's Del Toro's friend and filmmaking ally, and will go along with all the work Guillermo's done for the last two years rather than chuck it in order to narcisstically put "his own stamp" on the process. I've no issue with a director wanting to legitimately improve the script and/or designs. God knows Jackson could've used some of that with the trilogy (hello, mountain trolls, chicken-nugget orc, and piss-poor Army of the Dead conception.) But many directors are more concerned with their vision and name than with preserving the aesthetic of Tolkien's world. Cuaron has proven he can handle fantasy and more importantly, character, drama and world-building. And he can make you *feel* which is imperative for such a project."

Talk about a compelling argument.


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Kangi Ska
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Jun 2 2010, 3:16am

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But this is "The Hobbit" the one and only... [In reply to] Can't Post

In my (not so) humble opinion, I think the project deserves the very best director at its helm. Hitchcock & Kubrick are dead so that leaves them out...

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cameragod
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Jun 2 2010, 3:17am

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...because I wasn’t sure if I was prepared to grow the required "directors beard" … my wife hates the scratchy feel.







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Owain
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Jun 2 2010, 3:20am

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I don't think there is any disagreement there. [In reply to] Can't Post

IMO we had that in Guillermo Del Toro. But to your point about Neil Blomkamp, he would be walking into The Hobbit with actually more than PJ had when he made the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.

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duats
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Jun 2 2010, 3:21am

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I have to say I'm warming up to the idea of Cuaron. I do like his Harry Potter film the best of the six released. And for those who don't like that movie because of the liberties it took with the original text, remember that the Hobbit scripts are being written by Jackson, Walsh, Boyens, and Del Toro. So I sincerely doubt faithfulness to the source will be an issue.

And while I would like a breath of fresh air for these films, Jackson would obviously be a safe choice.


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Doriath
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Jun 2 2010, 3:57am

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a very great film

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Jun 2 2010, 4:32am

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Brad Bird or Masayuki Suo. [In reply to] Can't Post

Repeating a comment from three or four years ago: someone with a fine comedic sense, I hope. Though Bird appears to be busy with other projects, and I don't know if Suo speaks English.

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Jun 2 2010, 5:15am

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Malvern, why... [In reply to] Can't Post

and I ask this question seriously, do you group Cuaron in with your list of "boring" directors? Personally, I agree that the other directors on the TORN list are uninspiring, to say the least (particularly Raimi). But Cuaron is on another plane altogether. A filmmaker and artist first. What is it that you find objectionable about hos work?


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Jun 2 2010, 5:23am

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Jun 2 2010, 5:32am

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I told you guys this wouldn't be out this side of 2020 :p

OK, OK - some names - oooh - this is even more fun than trying to guess who Bilbo will be.

John Boorman - he wanted to do LOTR back in the 1980's but ended up doing Excalibur instead.
Alfonso Cuaron - yep he'll do
PJ - yep, he'll do too

OK, I'm out.


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Jun 2 2010, 5:42am

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Interesting... [In reply to] Can't Post

In film history, if we were to go back before LOTR and we all watched "Brain Dead" or "Bad Taste", we'd be screaming bloody-murder for him NOT to direct anything. What I'm getting at, is that we're all working ourselves up into a frenzy over what's going to happen next. Did anyone have Vegas odds on MGM going bankrupt? Did anyone see into the future about GDT leaving the project? You never know... GDT might decide to come back (?) Something else could happen that we never expected - Hell, Matamata could get hit with a massive natural disaster tomorrow and wipe out the entire Hobbiton set. You just never know...

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thesithempire
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Jun 2 2010, 5:48am

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Gothmog indeed! [In reply to] Can't Post

Indeed, what should've been one of the Ringwraiths, Gothmog was instead a doofy-looking orc who's head looked like a chicken nugget. So silly was this design that even the great Lawrence Makaore, who made Lurtz so fearsome and frightening, couldn't save this ridiculous character who pulled me out of the film every time the goofball limped onscreen.

I know that for some the SW prequels were the bigger disappointment, but those at least got better with each film. LOTR, on the other hand, got progressively worse. (Note: despite the fact that I'm writing this at 2 AM with a bit of a head cold, it's an honest assessment from someone who expected and tried on numerous occassions to like -- if not love -- this film.) I was aghast at not only how un-Tolkienian ROTK was, but just how limp and messy it was as a film, with a few exceptions (Faramir, Gandalf's riding out to the Nazgul, the lighting of the towers, the Houses of Healing, the return to the Shire).

Now, granted ROTK's biggest problems were a terrible, rushed, muddy script that jettisoned from the book entire chapters, characters and dialogue in favor of tiresome battles and looooong, still shots of Elijah Wood's face (this is in part due to some awful editing from Selkirk who needs to go back to film-school), but Jackson didn't help with his direction and decision-making. e.g., Aragorn's final battle... with a troll (!) They had a fascinating character in the Mouth of Sauron, but they killed him off after five seconds and instead had Aragorn face off against a mediocre lump of lameness (we'd already seen Aragorn face-off with a troll in FOTR). If Jackson had bothered to make the Mountain Trolls at least a unique design, it might have been ok, but it's basically a bigger Cave Troll (which was a complete waste of a Tolkien creation and wholly lacking in genuine drama.)

I understand that they were all under tremendous strain and time-pressure, but it really shows. Perhaps with a genuinely excellent script (as the Hobbit scripts are rumored to have), Jackson could do a good job (I, for one, loved his King Kong -- theatrical and EE). But if his heart's not in it, or if the idea of it makes him think of the exhaustion that was the making of LOTR, then it would be harmful to the film (and probably to him) to endeavor to direct it.


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Jun 2 2010, 6:37am

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I would like to see the movie with whatever directoor helming it actually.
I would prefer Cuaron or of course PJ- IMO the best choice for TH movie.
My only wish is just no Raimi. He is not the right man for the project at all.

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Jun 2 2010, 8:00am

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I wouldn't choose Raimi either. [In reply to] Can't Post

From the names mentioned above, if PJ does not step in ,then Cuaron seems to be the most qualified.


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Jun 2 2010, 11:50am

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What happened to the female Directors on the list? ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

But Im putting my hat in the ring for Fran.
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Jun 2 2010, 12:05pm

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Geoff Murphy? [In reply to] Can't Post

And Geoff Murphy?



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Jun 2 2010, 12:51pm

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Jun 2 2010, 1:02pm

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Another Name [In reply to] Can't Post

Ang Lee: remember Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

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dormouse
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Jun 2 2010, 1:24pm

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... the Polish director Agnieszka Holland made a beautiful film of 'The Secret Garden'.

But seriously, while it's fun playing 'name the director' I'm with you on thinking Fran, alone or co-directing with PJ. I can't see how anyone can come in from outside at this stage and on the positive side, we know Fran is committed to these films, has lived with them for years and has already done some good work on the previous films - I'd love to see her take on 'The Hobbit'.


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Jun 2 2010, 5:26pm

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Gothmog - better than some [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually thought that Gothmog at least had a smidgeon of personality, unlike the awfully generic and uninspiring Lurtz design/character (or really, the Uruks in general...).


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Jun 2 2010, 5:42pm

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I totally agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

Cuaron would be an excellent choice I think. While I enjoyed the PJ films there were a lot of times that I was frustrated by his vision and treatment of the world, characters, and story. (And still am, in fact.)

I like the idea of a fresh person in the director's chair as well. After all, it has done good things for the Harry Potter series. (and
Cuaron was one of those good things...although some of his successors have been less impressive.)


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Jun 2 2010, 5:48pm

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Which director do you trust ? [In reply to] Can't Post

Firstly, I'm very disappointed that Del Toro has moved away from the project as I personally think he would have been great. His eye for detail and his handling of effects and action is really first class. Having said that I don't blame him for leaving the project, if MGM are dragging their heels over finance.
So who takes over, well I don't think we're going to see these films in the time frame initially planned mainly because of the financial position. Asking for a rumoured $250 million is a big ask for a studio in trouble and this project may get put on the back burner for many years. If not then first and foremost it's got to be Peter Jackson, I can't believe that any Tolkien fan wouldn't want him above anyone else. Understanding and loving the source material is absolutely imperative and hiring some hack Hollywood director would be a disaster. If Jackson wasn't going to do it then the big question is, Do you want a Hobbit film? or Do you want a faithful and respectful Hobbit film?. For me it's Peter Jackson.


thesithempire
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Jun 2 2010, 6:01pm

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Gothmog's "personality" [In reply to] Can't Post

Jar Jar had a smidgen of personality too. Doesn't mean I want him in a movie. PJ's "Gothmog" is fine for a cartoon, not the conclusion to the greatest epic literary work of the century. Same with the idiotic King of the Dead, guffawing like some stupid Scooby Doo villain. Ugh, don't get me started.

As regards Lurtz, he's frightening because he's so primal; he rarely says anything, and doesn't need to. His ferocity and viciousness are all expressed in his eyes and on his face. And what a face! He's a creature of nightmare. He gets impaled by Aragorn's sword and still manages to be terrifying! I think it was a wise choice on PJ/Fran/Phillepa's part to have Boromir taken down, not just by mere orcs, but by a formidable opponent. Fellowship (EE), wholly unlike ROTK, was a well thought out, smartly written film that honored Tolkien. ROTK was a big Hollywood-style mess bereft of logic, genuine pathos and mood that jettisonned Tolkien for bombast and spectacle. And the writing was on the wall with TTT. Such a shame. FOTR EE held such promise for a truly worthy adaptation of the second and third book (not that it was perfect either, e.g., Frodo being emasculated at every turn, Frodo's constant fake-out deaths, and in slo-mo no less, Gandalf's fall which makes no sense since -- unlike the book -- the whip wasn't attached to his leg).

Anyway, getting back on topic, that's some of the reasons I don't want Jackson directing. His vision (as revealed in TTT and ROTK) is wholly incompatible with Tolkien's.


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Jun 2 2010, 7:07pm

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If Jackson wanted to direct the films, he would have announced himself as director when Guillermo del Toro stepped aside.

I firmly believe there is only the smallest chance he wants to do these films and even then, if he does them because there is no other choice, it hardly seems the ideal way to show up for work each day for three years. That isn't the director I want.

And this is old material but I will rehash it anyway. Few thought Peter Jackson was a good choice to direct "The Lord of The Rings" back in the day. Would a studio really trust the man behind "Dead Alive," or "Meet the Feebles"?

Was this guy with the independent "Heavenly Creatures," really the guy to tackle the epic "Lord of the Rings"? Few thought so.

I will be shocked, almost to death, if PJ directs these films.

I do think when they negotiate with the new director, they will want to know his take on the design work already done and I suspect part of the choice they make will be how that person sees two years worth of stuff. I doubt they will bring somebody aboard who doesn't want to use a lot of the leg work that has been done.

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Doriath
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Jun 2 2010, 7:09pm

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Doriath
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Jun 2 2010, 7:27pm

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It's kinda too bad GDT or Cuaron didn't do LOTR as it is darker and PJ on the Hobbit as it's a tad more on the lighter side as Tolkien wrote it for young children. Hmmm....it's been long enough, could we maybe just start over and go with that plan? :Duck:

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Jun 2 2010, 7:43pm

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May I suggest ... Zack Snyder? [In reply to] Can't Post

He's the director of 300. Last night I was watching the appendices and was struck by how, when he is passionate about a story, he is focused on bringing the images and story of the source material onto film, and doing it brilliantly.

With The Hobbit already storyboarded by Guillermo, PJ, Fran and Philippa, Snyder would be able to not so much translate that to screen, but *create* that storyboard on the screen.

I think he's a solid possible.

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Jun 2 2010, 7:47pm

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Jun 2 2010, 8:03pm

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Peter Jackson is the obvious choice [In reply to] Can't Post

1) he knows the script inside out, and will likely go along with Del Toro's plan - a new director may want to re-write the script

2) let the man who brought LOTR on the screen - for better or worse - finish the story. The two books had the same author, why not have the movies with same director ?

3) What new director will commit for a unidentified amount of time, with the delays, MGM isues, and now original director leaving the movie ?


Doriath
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Jun 2 2010, 8:14pm

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one possible problem [In reply to] Can't Post

As far as PJ goes. He may be too tied up with projects he has already signed contracts with.

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Jun 2 2010, 8:14pm

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How about Ron Howard avery good director with a broad range of experience.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Jun 2 2010, 8:17pm

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Is he not free to get out of those projects, just like Del Toro left The Hobbit ?


Kangi Ska
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Jun 2 2010, 8:28pm

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Jun 2 2010, 8:34pm

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Has anybody considered... [In reply to] Can't Post

Tarsem Singh? His track record is pretty limited, but anybody who has seen "The Fall" will be able to tell you that he can handle fantastical imagery like nobody else.


Twit
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Jun 2 2010, 8:44pm

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I was just trying to think who directed that film and was just off to find the dvd to find out when I read your post- so thanks. That or the person who did the Born of Hope film, Evil


Doriath
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Jun 2 2010, 8:49pm

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Not really sure of all the legalities


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Jun 2 2010, 9:48pm

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Ang Lee: remember Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

Or Eat Drink Man Woman?

The Hobbit is as much, or more, a comedy as it is an epic adventure.

Unfortunately, Lee also has a tendency to bombast and angst: see The Ice Storm and Hulk.

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Jun 2 2010, 10:23pm

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For those on Facebook, Mark Sommer (HollywoodJesus.com, Examiner) has started a "Fran Walsh Should Be Hobbit Director" group.

Here's the raw link if you're interested: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=121878721182652

No, she's never directed a whole film, much less a two-parter. But as others have noted, when it comes to actual Tolkien knowledge, she's the best of that bunch. She's also got the right sense of aesthetics for the gig, in my book, and it's about time the franchise got back to thinking outside the box. PJ succeeded with LOTR because he WASN'T playing by conventional wisdom. More, please.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 2 2010, 11:15pm

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But as others have noted, when it comes to actual Tolkien knowledge, she's the best of that bunch.



I've seen others say this here before, and it simply is not the case. Fran was actually by far the least knowledgable about Tolkien of the three main writers, and in many ways the most willing to depart from the original. Philippa Boyens far and away was the most knowledgable about Tolkien (she was actually brought in to be the "Tolkien expert") and even Peter with all of his quirky mawkishness and over the top sense of humor was more committed to staying true to Tolkien than Fran, who was not very familiar with the material, as she herself admits at several points in the commentaries.


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Jun 2 2010, 11:36pm

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Leonard Nimoy... [In reply to] Can't Post

...afterall, he has experiece. Look at his work with the "Ballad of Bilbo Baggins".

Then again, Clint Eastwood could do it. Bard the Bowman: "Go ahead, Smaug. Make my day." Wink

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Jun 3 2010, 12:42am

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I can back you up all the way on this one. Fran had the least knowledge of Tolkien [In reply to] Can't Post

and if I had time and desire I could prove it.

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Jun 3 2010, 1:04am

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Oh poor Leonard...he can't get rid of those pointy ears, can he? XD



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Jun 3 2010, 2:30am

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Fran Walsh Facebook page [In reply to] Can't Post

In another topic (Admins, feel free to move the post and replies here.) I made these comments:

PJ has the perfect director already in NZ. His wife Fran was a Second Unit Director for The Return of the King, and did a splendid job. For more on this idea, see the link below:

Jackson willing to direct Hobbit, but what about Fran Walsh?

I am dead serious about this, and plan to write an article about why she should helm the movies. I will post a link when it's published.

As Greg Wright said, I have started a Facebook page:
Fran Walsh should be Hobbit Director
Come check it out and become a member if you agree at all.



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Jun 3 2010, 2:31am

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Jun 3 2010, 2:40am

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Priell, you should go to your room! [In reply to] Can't Post

Leonard Nimroy--that's just so wrong!Laugh

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Jun 3 2010, 2:42am

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Just from watching the documentaries to the films, I would say this is absurd. Fran obviously knows MUCH more about Middle-earth than PJ. Greg aught to know since he did the HollywoodJesus.com coverage for LOTR, and actually interviewed the filmmakers. He also wrote a book about the subject (Peter Jackson in Perspective), and has lectured on Tolkien at major universities.

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Jun 3 2010, 2:45am

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I would be very happy with Fran directing [In reply to] Can't Post

if PJ doesn't change his mind.

But from all I remember, Philipa is the Tolkien expert. But I thought it was Pete who wanted to make the most changes. Funny how all that background stuff is gone from the memory banks. I will watch the special features again whenever the EE of the movies are released in Blu.

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Jun 3 2010, 2:46am

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That's OK, We'll do this without you then. :) [In reply to] Can't Post

See my post above.

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Kangi Ska
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Jun 3 2010, 2:53am

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Jun 3 2010, 3:07am

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Pete, Fran and Philippa are all incredibly steeped in Tolkien. That's what made the trilogy so masterful -- their commitment to constantly wrestling with the texts (script rewrites nearly every day of the shoot -- that's dedication).

Philippa is the Grand Master Savant of Tolkien though. Listening to the commentaries, and watching documentaries, the woman can absolutely NOT be stumped on any question regarding Tolkien's writings! An amazing, and encyclopedic knowledge she has.

Still, the idea of Fran directing, I think, is completely inspired. She strikes me as so utterly right. On a personality level she's a godsend as far as a Director is concerned: incredible mind; passion; and a humble ego (very rare in a helmer). Most importantly, she seems to understand story like few others.

Note to Production Central re: Fran -- DO IT!


Mark Sommer
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Jun 3 2010, 3:21am

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....then we'd have to wait another five years. LOL.

Did you read Greg Wright's comments on Fran? He pretty well answers the experience question.

Don't get me wrong. I think Kate would be a great director, but she doesn't have near the background that Fran has, and she would admit herself that she is no Middle-earth expert. I am a HUGE Kate Madison fan (I did an e-mail interview with her.), but I don't think she is ready for a major film.

What I would really like to see is Kate getting an acting part in the film. Maybe Bard's wife?

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Jun 3 2010, 3:22am

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Jun 3 2010, 3:30am

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Catherine Hardwicke [In reply to] Can't Post

An obvious choice... can't argue with Twilight's numbers.

I'll let myself out.


Kangi Ska
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Jun 3 2010, 3:35am

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Your support for Fran is fine. [In reply to] Can't Post

Right now I am not supporting anyone except Guillermo del Toro for the job. Beyond this I am taking a wait see. I have suggested several possibilities for possible helmer, some serious some not so. What I want is all of this to be a bad dream that I wake up from and find...Unsure

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Jun 3 2010, 3:51am

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Takashi Miike [In reply to] Can't Post

Just rapping up his latest film 13 Assassins. Clearly isn't afraid of ensemble casts (13 + 1) or trolls speaking of jelly. Probably closer to GDT than most of the other suggestions.


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Jun 3 2010, 8:10am

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Jun 3 2010, 9:24am

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17 Director breakdown... [In reply to] Can't Post

Interesting read...it's a should he and could he line up on Sci Fi Wire titled: "Could one of these 17 directors take over The Hobbit?"
Click here and enjoy.


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Jun 3 2010, 9:33am

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Required reading [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for this. It provides a little factual (as well as opinionated) basis for this whole discussion.

Its only weakness is that it is a review of the "usual suspects". Perhaps Jackson and his team will take a chance on a flexible but talented director who has not directed a major summer popcorn blockbuster (like Jackson himself was, before LotR)?



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Twit
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Jun 3 2010, 10:12am

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I put her forward [In reply to] Can't Post

but more of a 'way out there' candidate although I couldn't remember her name [hmmmCrazy].

I think Fran should perhaps join forces with Philippa again, I seem to [mis]remember that they did alot of the work on LotR together.

IF she is to take over that is. I'm not sure about it myself, but to be honest I don't really mind who does it, as long as I like the end result.


MightyGollum
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Jun 3 2010, 2:31pm

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PJ or Fran Walsh [In reply to] Can't Post

I think at the present stage of the project it would not be good to have a visionary director like Sam Raimi. The film will be a creative mess.
The Hobbit movie needs PJ or in the worst case a “technical” director with Peter being de facto director. So I guess that Fran Walsh could be a good choice (no offence meant) if PJ does not step in.


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Kate did a great job with Born Of Hope. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I doubt Warner's would take the chance of a relative unknown with a movie of this magnitude, like New Line did. Much as I greatly loved BoH, I think Fran would be a better choice if PJ declines. It seems to me, though, that I read or heard that Fran wants to be very behind -the -scenes. She couldn't do that if she took over the reins of these movies.

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Jun 3 2010, 5:05pm

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Peter, Fran and Philippa are all incredibly steeped in Tolkien.

They knew more than a little to start, and learned a lot more as they went worked, coming to know The Lord of the Rings in particular sufficiently to make the films. And it's possible that knowing Tolkien's work too well would just get in the way of creating the movies. But Jackson, for instance, was unaware of Tolkien's term "eucatastrophe" even after ROTK was released, which is pretty basic Tolkiena. (Though he probably grasped the concept intuitively.) There are hundreds if not thousands of people more "steeped in Tolkien" than Jackson, Walsh and probably even Boyens, some of whom post to these forums. But only a few of those people have any experience making films, and probably none in a project of comparable scope.

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Another list [In reply to] Can't Post

At the end of this article:

http://www.salon.com/...o_will_direct_hobbit


Also an interesting quote of del Toro to a question regarding Tolkien (from 2006 after Pan's debut - in an earlier linked article):


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I couldn't help thinking of Tolkien and C.S. Lewis in this film. Were you a fan of those books?

I was never into heroic fantasy. At all. I don't like little guys and dragons, hairy feet, hobbits -- I've never been into that at all. I don't like sword and sorcery, I hate all that stuff.

C.S. Lewis was another thing. I really enjoyed him as a kid, but he's too Catholic for me. It's not something as an adult I can feel comfortable relating to.




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Jun 3 2010, 5:12pm

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Has anyone mentioned Spike Jonze? [In reply to] Can't Post

He seems to have all of the qualities and Qualifications.

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Jun 3 2010, 5:12pm

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to go along with that [In reply to] Can't Post

which is worse:
a director who is so thoroughly steeped in Tolkien that they know they will have to give something up, but then chooses the wrong parts because they are too attached to the parts that should have gone
or a director who knows "more than a little to start" but is determined not to disappoint the fans?


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Jun 3 2010, 5:23pm

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I understand this push for Fran as Hobbit Director [In reply to] Can't Post

but I see it as probable wishful thinking. From her history and statements made I do not think that she wants the publicity glare that will come with this job. Secondarily I do not believe that the studios would buy it. We are in economically hard times and there is a lot of money involved. They are going to want a Name. I have decided to support no one candidate at this point and only make suggestions for all of us to think about.

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Jun 3 2010, 5:31pm

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Yeah, that's been covered... [In reply to] Can't Post

...long past old news, that one. GDT had since come right around to the whole thing since childhood, and especially since that quote was made... 4 years ago now?

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Kangi Ska
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Jun 3 2010, 5:39pm

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Very interesting article: [In reply to] Can't Post

I found the explanations of each mentioned directorial choice illuminating.

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Jun 3 2010, 5:41pm

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PJ or Cuarón, Definetly.... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Jun 3 2010, 5:41pm

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I figured [In reply to] Can't Post

It likely had been, what with no stones going unturned and all. Even though it was from four years ago, he did seem to be talking in the present tense at the time and in none to ambiguous terms. It just sounded so at odds to the seeming enthusiasm for the project he posted with...


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Jun 3 2010, 6:00pm

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It likely had been, what with no stones going unturned and all. Even though it was from four years ago, he did seem to be talking in the present tense at the time and in none to ambiguous terms. It just sounded so at odds to the seeming enthusiasm for the project he posted with...


If we didn't grow and change through life's experiences, where would we be? Empty shells. I never once doubted his enthusiasm, when expressed. At one time, I thought I didn't like mysteries, until someone introduced me to the right authors that resonated with me. Attitudes can change and it's great to see someone get turned on to Tolkien, and *welcome* them to the fandom with open arms, instead of suspicion.

Just my opinion, of course.

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R11
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Jun 3 2010, 6:08pm

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Seemed [In reply to] Can't Post

Like a person with a pretty good grasp on the pulse of the arena. Kind of a fun, semi-snarky tone too. "100 percent probability of relentless scrutiny from blogging Elves, Dwarves and Goblins", made me laugh.


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Kangi Ska
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Jun 3 2010, 6:11pm

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Yes I was trying to figure out where I fit. [In reply to] Can't Post

My close friends would probably say Dwarf.

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Jun 3 2010, 6:21pm

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Don't get me wrong [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't casting suspicion. I actually posted it to see if it had been addressed previously, expecting to find that it had been covered and passed over long ago. Still, if deep down inside he wasn't strongly tied to the story type, I could see where it may help explain how he could let it go after spending so much time and when it all seems so poised to go. I could imagine some directors who would practically kill for the opportunity...


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Vangalad
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Jun 3 2010, 6:41pm

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Zack Snyder could be an interesting solution too. [In reply to] Can't Post

I liked his visualizations of 300 and watchmen and perhaps he has the skills to direct the hobbit.


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dormouse
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Jun 3 2010, 6:52pm

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Maybe it is wishful thinking... [In reply to] Can't Post

... from me at any rate, I can't speak for anyone else.

I fear you're probably right that Fran is the private part of the partnership and wouldn't want the limelight - but supposing she did, or was open to the idea if it was put to her? Maybe having directed in a supporting role she really would like to try for herself. There's a world of difference between joining in with something because you're partner is working on it and being entrusted with it in your own right. For what it's worth (tuppence ha'penny and a bent hairgrip Wink ) I can offer you a few reasons why I respond with a flicker of hope and curiosity to the suggestion that she might direct the film:

1. Having watched the documentaries on the extended DVDs I feel I know something of her approach and I like what I've seen. She and Philippa Boyens seem to have taken charge of some of the quieter and more introspective parts of the previous films while PJ goes for the action and the monsters - and being an introspective sort of chap, those quieter aspects are the ones I respond to most.

2. It never occurred to me before, but now the idea is stirring, I really would like to see a woman's take on what is after all a very male story (and that doesn't mean I want to see lots of romance added - none at all, if poss!) - just a female approach.

3. She's already part of the team, already intimately involved with the scripting process, and I think there are excellent creative reasons not to bring in an outsider at this stage.

4. The whole project has been hurt very badly by the loss of Guillermo. If we're reeling just as spectators, how must this feel for the people whose livelihoods depend on what is happening? I reckon that if 'The Hobbit' is to go ahead some decisions will have to be made pretty quickly - a long period of uncertainty won't help. You can see just around here how quickly rumours spread and grow. As far as being a 'name' goes, I take your point, but she has Peter Jackson's name behind her - that, and the novelty of putting a woman in charge might just be enough.

Truly - of course it's wishful thinking and I wouldn't even claim to be 'supporting' anyone. I haven't the right or the knowledge of the film world. I'm just holding onto the hope that there will still be a film, and not one that will have everyone saying 'it would have been so much better if.......' I reckon that PJ, or Fran, or some combination of the two offers the best chance of that.

And as it seems comforting right now to stick around here and keep talking, I have to try and think of something to say! Wink


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Jun 3 2010, 7:43pm

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Nice points dormouse [In reply to] Can't Post

We shall see what we shall see. But, your points were well thought out and nicely put. Smile


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Jun 3 2010, 7:53pm

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I fear you're probably right that Fran is the private part of the partnership and wouldn't want the limelight



One reason for her staying in the background during LOTR's creation was to ensure a normal family life for their children - but now that they're grown up...

Although I believe Fran is naturally an introvert anyway so may not be keen on such a high-profile role regardless of how old her children are now.

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Jun 3 2010, 8:00pm

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Jun 3 2010, 9:38pm

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I am not apposed to the Idea of Fran directing given the circumstances. [In reply to] Can't Post

And I certainly will consider a woman director. I believe in equal rights. But I hate seeing a bunch of people getting real excited about something that (in my not so humble opinion) has next to no chance of happening. I am trying to be a realist about this whole director thing. I have had my heart broken too many times.Smile

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Jun 3 2010, 9:47pm

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I think we're all clutching at straws at the moment.


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Jun 4 2010, 2:02am

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but I completely agree! Fran would excell in this!


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Jun 4 2010, 2:43am

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Nothing ventured, nothing gained [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh, I'm not going to be completely heartbroken if this doesn't happen. I just don't think that Fran should be ignored, and hopefully the buzz created by us talking about it will at least get her considered, and perhaps get her to consider it.

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Jun 4 2010, 2:46am

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AinurOlorin
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Jun 4 2010, 6:03am

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I am devestated to loose Del Toro. Looking back on Pan's Labyrinth, I thought he would be awesome, and I loved his puppet aimiable sensibilities. Yet what is done is done. As replacements go, neither Sam Rami nor Alfonso Curan are pleasant prospects to me. Rami'w work is fun but generally lacks depth, to my view. And Azkaban was too short, and ended badly. It was not my favourite Potter film. It ranks five out of Six, mainly because film six left outmost of the best scenes from the book. Frankly I would prefer Chris Columbus or the director of Goblet of Fire to Mr. Curaon. My top choices for a new director have not been mentioned here. They are as follows:

Wolfgang Peterson: "some here will remember" that this director helmed an 80s rendering of The Neverending Story. It was virtually flawless. It had heart and depth, and worked on many levels. It truly captured the sense of wonder and I think he could work wonders on The Hobbit.

Ridley Scott: is another treasure from the time before CGI. He did an impressive job with the film Legend, among others. I have no doubt he could do justice to the Hobbit.


Maybe I am stuck in the 8os, but Ron Howard did a great job with Willow, which was something of a "Hobbit Light" when the rights to the actual Hobbit were not yet on the table.


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Jun 4 2010, 7:25am

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I do not want that man anywhere near these films. He has done nothing to suggest he is capable of handling fantasy, and he's really been dropping the ball this last decade. His films just bore me to death.


Jettorex
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Jun 4 2010, 2:20pm

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good talk [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that if PJ does not direct, that Fran would be a truly inspired choice and i would love to see it. Unfortunately, given the situation of uncertainty and all the money and even possibly the fate of a studio riding on it, that the suits would never let an inexperienced director helm the film. They will go with a big name director and probably 3-D.


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Jun 4 2010, 2:44pm

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All of the scripts & prep work has been toward a non-digital movie. [In reply to] Can't Post

This would eliminate any possibility of shooting in 3-D (Conversion would still be possible) Now the studios could force the issue but this would add a great deal of expense as the rewrite of the script and redo of pre-vis and redesign of much of the picture would be involved. This would also delay the release even longer.

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sphdle1
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Jun 4 2010, 3:19pm

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I hear what you're saying [In reply to] Can't Post

I like all the HP movies for different reasons, and PoA is in my top 3, but not as much because of the direction and feel of the movie. But rather because of the story line & twists, of which I don't know if credit should be given to JKRowling or the screenplay (or both), but that was what I love about that movie the most...Also much of the change in feel and mood of that film is due to John Williams experimenting and changing up the score composition from the first two films (or any of his past work for that matter)...side off topic note: I hope they can get Williams back for the final 8th movie...

My favorite HP movies are the last two that were out (by a long shot). The outrageously awesome wizard dueling scenes and the contrast of perfectly timed comedic moments earlier in the films, make them the ones I can watch over and over.
If I had to put in order from best to worst, it would be 5, 6, 3, 4, 1, 2 so far.

I think Jackson needs to step in and direct...enough is enough...with all the delays and problems to this point, he and GDT are the only ones that really know how this thing should be directed...they are the ones who have been the most intimately involved in both production & writing...I think it would be a mistake to hire someone else...unless of course (my only exception) they can manage to get James Cameron onboard...he is the only one that could become intimate on the same level as PJ and GDT in a really short timeframe...imho


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Jun 4 2010, 3:37pm

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bombadilum
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Jun 4 2010, 7:05pm

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joann sfar for the hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

i love his little vampire
i love his dungeon comic books
he just worked with doug jones and the make up team of pan's labyrinth on his "gainsbourg je t'aime" movie
his rabbi's cat looks like gollum

Joann Sfar for the hobbit please!!!!!!


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Jun 4 2010, 8:44pm

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Another vote for Agnieszka Holland! [In reply to] Can't Post

Like you, I loved her movie adaptation of The Secret Garden. I've long thought that she'd be a great choice to direct The Hobbit.


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As Promised: My article on Why Fran Walsh Should Direct Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is a link to my latest on the subject: Why Fran Walsh Should Direct Hobbit

Final paragraph: "By the way, The Lord of the Rings was not popular because of its Director. (Peter Jackson was relatively unknown in 1999.) It killed at the box office because of the popularity of JRR Tolkien and the quality of the films. If the quality can be matched, there is no reason why the Hobbit movies wouldn’t do extremely well – no matter who the Director is."

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dormouse
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Jun 5 2010, 7:52am

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Good article [In reply to] Can't Post

And such a good idea....

I wonder how long it will be before we hear something..... anything....

Please note that I wrote that clinging firmly to a wooden table leg, remembering Kangi's post last weekend about being wary of what you wish for. I'll qualify the wish, I think...

... anything good!


Greg Wright
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Jun 5 2010, 12:38pm

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The Eucatastrophe Question [In reply to] Can't Post

For those who are interested, the question about eucatastrophe came up in the "God Room" at the L.A. press junket for ROTK. I was the one who put the question to Jackson.

Here's the transcript of the interview. The bit about eucatastrophe is just a few questions into it.

Brigand is right that "They knew more than a little to start, and learned a lot more as they went." In particular, the subject of eucatastrophe ended up pretty prominently featured in the special features on the Extended Edition DVD release.



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Jun 6 2010, 2:06am

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Director [In reply to] Can't Post

If anyone is to direct the hobbit, it should be PJ. He has experience with Tolkien's work and did a great job with the LOTRs movies. Fran Walsh would also be a good candidate because she also has previous experience.

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AinurOlorin
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Jun 6 2010, 5:52am

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I really want to see another director's take at this point. [In reply to] Can't Post

Peter did a good job with LOTR, but not a flawless one. I want to see someone else's humour. . . I want to see the same world, but with subtle changes. . . say someone who won't turn Gandalf's key flame magic scenes into a matter of flahlight beams. Those who know what I mean KNOW what I mean. I loved that Guillermo was going for wargs that were to be more giant wolf than mega hyena. I want to see fresh blood and ideas in this alongside the things that Peter did right. I don't think it should be Peter. He has had his turn with Tolkien, and in the main he did it and the fans justice but he need not be conflated with Tolkien himself.

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If anyone is to direct the hobbit, it should be PJ. He has experience with Tolkien's work and did a great job with the LOTRs movies. Fran Walsh would also be a good candidate because she also has previous experience.


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Patty
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Jun 6 2010, 9:35pm

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I like Cameron... [In reply to] Can't Post

(although admittedly I hated Titanic.Sly) But the problem with him, I think, would be his need to make this a Cameron film. I don't think he'd walk well in the path that has been previously proposed and the work already done for this movie by del Toro and PJ's team.

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Jun 6 2010, 9:41pm

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I spent the last two days watching movie directed by [In reply to] Can't Post

Alfonso Cuaron. I am now ready to advocate a choice of directors.

There are only two people that I would trust to do credit to the script & design work that has been completed. Both I hold in equal honor.

Peter Jackson: He is my sentimental favorite and he earned the right and he is still one of us (though it might slip his mind at times).

Alfonso Cuaron: His skill as a director is unsurpassed. "Children of Men" is one of my all time favorite films. The Prisoner of Azkaban was a marvel as a film. "A Little Princess" is a beautiful masterful remake of an old children's classic. He is a great story teller and has a color sensibility very close to his compadre Guillermo del Toro. I am sure he could step into the project with the least disruption next to Peter taking the helm.

So there, in my notoriously not so humble opinion, it is and I am stickin' to it..


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dormouse
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Jun 6 2010, 9:59pm

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Agreed.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh.

I don't really want to hear any other name as director now but if it has to be, then I'd say someone who has read and loves Tolkien's books. Of all the names who've been discussed this last week, that's the one thing we don't know and to my mind it's crucial.


Morthoron
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Jun 7 2010, 12:26am

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I agree Ainur... [In reply to] Can't Post

I would much prefer someone outside the Jackson/Walsh/Boyen mob to direct the movie. Preferrably someone with enough cahones to overrule Boyens/Jackson's inane scripting.

Personally, I think someone like Terry Gilliam would be a brilliant choice. No one does fantasy (Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Brazil, The Fisher King, 12 Monkeys) or period comedy (The Holy Grail, Time Bandits, Jabberwocky) like him. And talk about creepy forests -- anyone who watched The Brothers Grimm will know what astounding work Gilliam could do with Mirkwood.

But, alas, I think Gilliam is far too much a free spirit to conform to a prewritten script. Too bad, as he certainly has English humor down cold -- even if he was originally from Wisconsin. Don't tell John Cleese, as I don't believe anyone has informed him.

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Jettorex
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Jun 7 2010, 2:44pm

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good article [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree wholeheartedly-would love to see her do it!

However, I have a hunch in the end it is going to be---PJ. Some deal will be worked out to finally get the films greenlit that PJ has to agree to direct and he will. I think that the word that the films are finally greenlit and PJ is director will come out in the same announcement.


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aaaargon
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Jun 8 2010, 9:30pm

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Jackson [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Jackson would be the best, but i don't think he will do it. I would get Alfonso. He did good in harry potter POA. I see the hobit his style.


OrdinaryAvgGuy
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My apologies! I just posted this idea as another thread without seeing your suggestion.

I think Gilliam could do it...

But we differ in that I would prefer Jackson.

 
 

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