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Tol Eressea

Apr 18 2010, 6:14pm

Post #26 of 47 (748 views)
Or a belly button ring? [In reply to] Can't Post

Eew, I can't believe I just thought of that! Don't think that'd work for Sauron...*shudder*

"In the hopes of reaching the moon, men fail to see the flowers that blossom at their feet." -Albert Schweitzer

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(This post was edited by Laerasėa on Apr 18 2010, 6:17pm)

Tol Eressea

Apr 18 2010, 6:15pm

Post #27 of 47 (803 views)
"So I'm taking it home to my workshop, my dear." [In reply to] Can't Post

""I'll fix it up there. Then I'll bring it back here."

"In the hopes of reaching the moon, men fail to see the flowers that blossom at their feet." -Albert Schweitzer

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Tol Eressea

Apr 18 2010, 10:30pm

Post #28 of 47 (657 views)
Mods up!!! // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Apr 18 2010, 11:49pm

Post #29 of 47 (694 views)
Because... [In reply to] Can't Post

...he wants his precious.

long have you hunted me
long have I eluded you

N.E. Brigand

Apr 19 2010, 2:27am

Post #30 of 47 (667 views)
See also: [In reply to] Can't Post

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The Shire

Apr 19 2010, 3:01am

Post #31 of 47 (623 views)
power! [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
What was Saruman's real reason for wanting to get his hands on the One Ring?

To regain his former glory and rule the world!


Apr 19 2010, 6:09am

Post #32 of 47 (654 views)
To draw attention to his manicured hands:) [In reply to] Can't Post


Frodo; "What I chiefly need now is courage . . ."


Apr 19 2010, 6:10am

Post #33 of 47 (620 views)
To FEEL the power- rather like having the TV remote:) [In reply to] Can't Post


Frodo; "What I chiefly need now is courage . . ."

Tol Eressea

Apr 19 2010, 2:26pm

Post #34 of 47 (608 views)
That was great, thanks! // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Apr 19 2010, 5:03pm

Post #35 of 47 (576 views)
His high end collection of LOTR movie memorbilia could not be complete without it. / [In reply to] Can't Post



Apr 19 2010, 6:34pm

Post #36 of 47 (572 views)
His old ring made his finger go green // [In reply to] Can't Post


~*Haudh-en-Ndengin the Elves named it, the Hill of Slain, and Haugh-en-Nirnaeth, the Hill of tears... the earth beneath which the swords of the Eldar and the Edain crumbled into rust*~

The Shire

Apr 19 2010, 7:13pm

Post #37 of 47 (717 views)
Because it's shiny, cap'n! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Apr 19 2010, 9:38pm

Post #38 of 47 (603 views)
Wasn't available in stores, only while supplies lasted! It was a One of a kind. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Apr 20 2010, 1:48am

Post #39 of 47 (664 views)
Pride? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm thinking his initial reason was for good. But, the power of Sauron corrupted his vision. After all, the Elves wanted Gandalf to be the white wizard but he declined saying that Saruman had studied the enemy more. I am guessing pride got the better of Saruman. He thought he could handle it and he couldn't before he realized...he was in too far and lost the battle of wills.

The Shire

Apr 20 2010, 2:48am

Post #40 of 47 (703 views)
The True Reason [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, when I read this conspiracy, I took a moment to think it over. Do I take the low road by stating the obvious(He wanted to over throw Sauron, becoming the dominant power in Middle Earth) or do I take the High Road and think up something original?

I'll take the high road.

Why Saruman Wanted the Ring
A GreatCool Case Study

The Question: What was the true motivation that cause a renowned and wise wizard to renounce he previous alliances, "turn to the dark side", and ultimately cause his own demise?

The Facts:
(What we know; correct me if any of this is inaccurate)

Saruman- A famous wizard, know associate of Gandalf the Grey. However, he decided to betray the 'good' factions of Middle Earth, and attempt to take the ring for his own, for unknow reasons.

Middle Earth- A realm inhabitted by various factions, although during the events of Saurumans's betrayal, there was arguably three world powers in play: Gondor, Rohan, and Mordor. While Gondor and Rohan were allied, they were greatly out numbered, and Mordor had a secret weapon: the Ring.

The Ring- A weapon of amazing power in the hands of those who know how to use it, the ring was the item that determined the war. Sauron obviously wanted possetion of it; with it he would be unstoppable. Because of this, the other factions obviously wanted to keep the ring from Sauron. They decided there best choice would be sending a realatively weak 'hero' on a quest across the know world, deep into enemy territory, with the intention of destroying the ring. Who recomended this death trip? Gandalf.

Gandalf- A long time friend of Sauruman, he also visited him multiple times between noticing the weak hobit Frodo acquired the ring, and arriving at the council of Elrond.

My Theory

Looking over this, as well as other factors, I believe that Saruman truely did intend to over throw Sauron. However, I think he was just a pawn in somebody else's game of chess. Who was controlling Saruman? Gandalf the Grey. Gandalf knew Saruman wanted the ring. He also knew Sauron wanted the ring. And I think deep down, Gandalf wanted the ring as well.

But Gandalf was not dumb; he knew that if Sauron was able to get the ring, his oppertunity would be lost. He also knew that if he just killed Frodo and took the ring, he would not be able to use it to take over the known world; I believe Gandalf wanted to use the ring to win the war, and gain dominion over the free people of Middle Earth. So he allowed Saruman to use the Pallentir, knowing full well that it would corrupt him horribly. Infact, Gandalf may have planted the Pallentir for Saruman to find; he knew an awful lot about it, and seemed to take it with him when he left Orthanc, almost as if he felt it belonged to him.

Knowing the Pallentir would corrupt Saruman, Gandalf the attended the council of Elrond, setting up his Xantos Gambit: If the fellowship went through the lands Saruman was contesting, they would surely be caught, at which point Gandalf would kill Saruman and claim the ring. If they didn't get caught, they would go to Minas Tirith, where(a corrupted) Borimir would attempt to take the ring by force. Gandalf could kill Borimir, and then take the ring for himself.

What Gandalf didn't account for was the fellowship breaking up; this event threw his Xantos Gambit out the window, and allowed Frodo(and the ring) to slip through his fingers. That is also why he was eager to attack the Black Gate; he was unaware of Gollum's intervention, and must have assumed Frodo would have been camping by the Black Gate, trying to figure a way inside. If Gandalf had been able to intercept Frodo, the ring would be his.

In short, Saruman was manipulated by Gandalf to want the ring, so Gandalf would have reason to kill him and take it as his own.

Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.

(This post was edited by TheGreatCoolEnergy on Apr 20 2010, 2:51am)

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Apr 20 2010, 2:49am

Post #41 of 47 (568 views)
Welcome, Wanderer! [In reply to] Can't Post

Glad you've decided to join us!

I think that's an excellent answer, except for one thing: Middle-Earth Conspiracy Theories is a game thread. The goal is come come up with the funniest answer, not necessarily the right one! That's why the rest of the thread is full of silly comments.

We do have plenty of serious conversations around here too, of course. I hope you'll stick around and join in. Smile


"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Tol Eressea

Apr 20 2010, 7:30pm

Post #42 of 47 (546 views)
Matched his engraved cufflinks ... // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Apr 20 2010, 8:17pm

Post #43 of 47 (543 views)
He heard that the White Witch of Narnia had one// [In reply to] Can't Post


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Apr 21 2010, 2:05am

Post #44 of 47 (593 views)
he didnt like it on bilbos mantle piece [In reply to] Can't Post

he thought it would look better next to his fake wedding ring and set of rings "consumed by dragons" if weve ever heard that one before oh and dont forget a life size replica of ugluk

Shire Bagginss?

(This post was edited by TheNazgul on Apr 21 2010, 2:07am)

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Apr 22 2010, 2:08am

Post #45 of 47 (602 views)
This is an oldie, but: [In reply to] Can't Post

The wizard Saruman
Heard that rings were in demand
As a prelude to the coming of the stork,
And he thought that the One Ring
Would be just the very thing
For his wedding to a pregnant lady Orc!



Apr 22 2010, 7:47am

Post #46 of 47 (599 views)
Because he could not count to two. // [In reply to] Can't Post




Nov 29 2010, 7:39pm

Post #47 of 47 (314 views)
Gandalf. [In reply to] Can't Post

All the white council key players had a Ring so he wanted one. Cause he was not allowed in the Non Ringers club.

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