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Anyone Else Feel The Preamble is Getting Terminally Tiresome ....?

DamienEngland
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Apr 1 2010, 10:53am

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Anyone Else Feel The Preamble is Getting Terminally Tiresome ....? Can't Post

       

And that it's high time they put their cards on the table?

I say this as a fan of the existing movies and Del Toro who I regard as a director of total integrity, but seriously - I don't know how much longer the chirade around The Hobbit production can go on for without us all getting exhausted.

YES, online interest will remain at fever pitch, YES sites like this no doubt follow every development, set photo, and glimpse of McKellen in his long johns & stick-on beard stepping out of his trailer into the glorious New Zealand sun, but Jesus. Enough stalling is ENOUGH! Just get the cameras rolling. Please? Unsure

Principally I'm hacked off enough to be writing this for 3 main reasons:


1./ CASTING: Don't know about you, but I feel as though I've been living in Bill Murray's hotel room waking up to I've Got You Babe for approximately three years now. The only difference being the first new item on Radio Groundhog every morning is about Martin Freemann/James McAvoy/David Tennant playing Bilbo. With the exception possibly of McAvoy (who really doesn't really channel Baggins for me either if I'm honest, but did a fine job with Tumnus) All AWFUL CHOICES for one simple reason: screen history. Maybe I'm alone on this, but the great thing about new faces is that they are exactly that. A blank slate.
I don't want to be thinking about Doctor Who or The Office watching The Hobbit, and furthermore as actors, IMO, those guys all have limited range. Hopefully GDT will take us by surprise and go for a middle-aged unknown with more robust acting ability and passable resemblance to Holme instead of a choice that plays to the whims of existing fanboy favourites.

2./ FINANCING: It's off, it's on, it's off again. They sort the mother of all lawsuits then MGM goes to financial purgatory waiting for a bidder. Seriously, what's next? A cheque for a new IMAX camera fails to clear 24 hrs. ahead of day one of principal photography? Del Toro gets stung for tax evasion? What??

3./ D OR NOT 3D? So annoying a proposition in terms of the further delays it will inevitably inflict upon the project for the sake of us feeling the Mirkwood spiders are descending onto our laps, I can't be bothered writing a full paragraph about it. I'm the only man I know who felt that Avatar was an excrutiating experience, both on my critical sensibilities and on my retinas. "I see you"? In the blurred blue flames of hell, preferably Leona. Only in hell. Tongue







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Kangi Ska
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Apr 1 2010, 11:57am

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Loresilme
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Apr 1 2010, 1:50pm

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Great read! [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course I wish the subject matter didn't exist (i.e., the endless delays).... but I like your style :-). And I am *so* on the same page about finding and using an undiscovered, talented unknown for Bilbo. That's also my choice for the voice of Smaug, btw.


DamienEngland
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Apr 1 2010, 2:41pm

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... and chalk up No. 4 : "Bogus April Fools press releases." Can't help feeling that feels a little like waving rubber bacon in front of a starving man this morning, but whatever gives 'em jollies. Unsure


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Rick Cottontree
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Apr 1 2010, 3:22pm

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It is no strategy [In reply to] Can't Post

MGM is contracted to finance half the film and is the process of being for bid and owning $3.7 million. Until the money is in place there can be no movie. Simple.


DamienEngland
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Apr 1 2010, 4:53pm

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Didn't say it was a strategy (although can see with hindsight how the comment about cards on the table gives that impression) and am aware of the situation with MGM. Just saying all these factors in combination have become tiresome regardless of causation, and this latest financing issue feels like deja vu after the settling of the lawsuit. Unsure


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DiveTwin
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Apr 1 2010, 6:44pm

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While I too am anxious to see things get started, I don't feel Guillermo del Toro, Peter Jackson or anyone else owes us that. They have been overly gracious by including us on quite a bit of information as it is. And I believe that when there is actual, concrete news that they can (and are allowed) to share, they will happily do so.

But until then, I don't think they need to respond every time their fans get impatient. I think they are as anxious as we are ... but are also in a holding pattern until events unfold in a way that allows them to move forward.

We'll just have to grin and bear it.

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the_argonath
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Apr 1 2010, 6:51pm

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Kinda know the feeling... [In reply to] Can't Post

.. but on the other hand, I guess it will kick off when it's ready

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Apr 1 2010, 6:59pm

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DamienEngland
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Apr 1 2010, 7:55pm

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Some good points, cheers .... [In reply to] Can't Post

   
Tongue I agree there's an air of impatience to what I've said, and paradoxically I also entirely agree with the people here who've stressed patience and everything in good time etc. when that's entirely my life philosophy

I also don't think GDT owes us minute-by-minute disclosure really, and has always been incredibly gracious and inclusive re: the fanbase on these things when he DOES have something to tell us - more than most directors that's for sure.

However, I think a lot of people have noticed that since the frantic activity & podcasts of a year or so ago when the formal announcement was made he was to helm things, we progressed to a weird twilight zone of silence from the latter half of 2009 onwards that's become an ambiguous grey zone - both for shoddy journalism, McKellen repeatedly giving us variations of the same words about reprising Galndalf on his blogs and public appearances seemingly in a vacuum all on his lonesome, and of course all that inanely repetitious speculation about the casting of Bilbo Baggins.

To be fair they squashed the McGuire one (worringly not the Tennant one - a choice so wrong for Bilbo, it turns my hair grey thinking about it.) But I think, without wanting to be that old grandad impatiently banging his carpet slippers on the ceiling, it's in everybodys interests for them to name their man as soon as they have him now, and end this phase at least (if not the corporate dragon of the MGM shenanigans which is obviously outside of their control.)

The guessing games have gone on long enough, and in the words of the great poet, Woody of Harrelson .... time to nut up or shut up.




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GAndyalf
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Apr 1 2010, 8:00pm

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I wish they'd announce... [In reply to] Can't Post

When the "Official Fan Club" will be re-opened for The Hobbit movies. Back for LotR they did it before Fellowship where a $99 for 3 years got you a COOL membership with a regular fanzine, some cool lithos and other stuff AND BEST OF ALL your NAME in the Extended Edition DVDs! I was so excited to see my 15 min of fame on each DVD and I wants MORE, my Preciousss!

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Arwen's daughter
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Apr 1 2010, 8:03pm

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Of course, without a greenlight (which seems to be dependant on MGM sorting itself out) they can't sign the contracts for cast. Until then, even McKellen, Serkis, and Weaving are just speculative. And considering all the uproar that happens when the movies are pushed back or promised announcements haven't been able to be announced, I imagine they won't release any new information until it is completely locked.

And I believe Tennant squashed his own rumor a year ago, or so.



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DamienEngland
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Apr 1 2010, 8:16pm

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He did, but a few weeks ago, there was the Pegg on Twitter incident that rebooted it, to which he remained silent. As for the whole greenlight formality and formal casting, McKellen has been talking about his role as being anything other than speculative and I'm not sure I understand the logistics of preparing a massive belt of woodland with shrubs and diggers if the planned summer start date is still all up in the air, to be honest. Unsure

I'm going back to watching Zombieland. Crazy Someone put Emma Stone in The Hobbit as a bar maid at The Green Dragon or something - she's small, cute and sexy with massive Manga eyes.


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Patty
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Apr 1 2010, 9:11pm

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You are on there too, GAndyalf? [In reply to] Can't Post

If you don't mind, would you P.M. me the name you are on there with? If that's too personal for you I am totally okay with that. But one of my silly, silly fun things to do is look for names I know on the fan credits. I wish I had known that you could go on there as a group, cause I paid individual prices for myself and my husband, and then I had all those duplicates of magazines and pictures. I've since given them away, but hey, I could have saved money.

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GAndyalf
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Apr 1 2010, 9:45pm

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Yup... [In reply to] Can't Post

And since my name is easy to come by in many, many ways I'm listed in the EEs as "S. Andrew Alexander", right about as the Hobbit theme starts to play (for which I'm immensely pleased!) Sadly, young Beren (my son) wasn't going to be born for another 4 years when I signed up - but he'll be in THIS incarnation if they do it (I HOPE! I HOPE!)

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Patty
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Apr 2 2010, 3:51pm

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I've always regretted not putting my oldest granddaughter's name there... [In reply to] Can't Post

she was already a fan, and my daughter became a fan later.

Another thing I've regretted: When the exhibit of the LotR artifacts came to Indy, an opportunity was given to sleep overnight in the rooms with the exhibits ( for a fee, of course). It would have been a great bonding event to do with my granddaughter--I think she would have remembered it forever! But I talked myself out of it.

Anyway--I will look for your name. I wonder if we are going to be on the Blu-ray EE credits when it comes out. I hope so, and since they roll before the last New Line logo, I think there is a possibility.

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Captain Salt
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Apr 2 2010, 6:54pm

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I agree wholeheartedly... [In reply to] Can't Post

But "D or Not 3D"? Oh, come on, man and/or woman! TongueTongue


Iowaboy
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Apr 2 2010, 10:40pm

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I think this is unfortunately not all that unusual.... [In reply to] Can't Post

.....in the movie-biz. The unusual part is that THE HOBBIT films will be wildly successful, probably gross over a billion dollars total--so why in heck are they so hard to finance?

Greed. Usually it's a risk problem (risk of losing money) but with these films it's a greed problem--EVERYONE wants a piece of this Hobbit pie. But since they will basically be a license to print money, they WILL get made sooner or later.

The problem is that time waits for no man, and unless we want a 92 yr old Gandalf and a 70 year old Elrond, we'd better hope they get made soon, huh?

Finally, for Damien the original poster, I dislike AVATAR about as much as you do. My fear is that if THE HOBBIT production is rushed, that we will have two "eye candy" films and not two wonderfully thrilling and touching and beloved fantasy epics. Let me make it clear that I do not think that will happen, but the more rushed the process becomes, the more likely an unsatisfying result will occur. A little delay is fine--let's screenwriters think things through--but a really long delay would be a problem.


Glaurung63
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Apr 2 2010, 11:14pm

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I see your...pain... [In reply to] Can't Post

I hear you, it does get frustrating, I like your writing....but I have full faith in PJ and GDT, and the whole team...I think they are doing all the prep work now, and will be ready to go when the light turns green. I have reservations about The Hobbit 3D, but if anyone can outdo Cameron, it's these guys....I thought the 3D of Avatar was great, it was not 'in your face', the world felt real....so if they go that way, I'm sure Hobbiton will feel even more real. I too am concerned with the casting for Bilbo, but it needs to feel right, like Ian Holm, Elijah, etc. I think they will find someone who not only makes the connection to Ian's Bilbo, but creates the younger version...one who never had any adventures...lol.

Yes, I wish I could watch now!! But I will remain patient, as this movie will get made....


Guillermo
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Apr 3 2010, 5:35pm

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True- [In reply to] Can't Post

But know these facts:

-NO delays have been caused by "discussing" or "adapting" 3-D.
-Can't close deals with actors without a green light.
-Can't give a green light to the project when one of the studios is going through a "to be or not to be" auction moment.

For good or bad this project has demanded for so much to be solved before it gets going. So, the Phil Connors syndrome is met with great empathy.

Best

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macfalk
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Apr 3 2010, 5:40pm

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Thanks for popping in and clearing some stuff up [In reply to] Can't Post

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Magpie
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Apr 3 2010, 6:12pm

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I feel obliged to tell you that not all fans... of Tolkien's, of the movies, and of you... are 'hacked off'. Some of us are feeling quite patient that things will progress when they are meant to progress... that no one is out to intentionally mess with our heads, disrespect us, or destroy our lives... and that we have other things to occupy our attention while circumstances are sorted out so that things can proceed.

And some of us have learned that sometimes the outcome of delays is that something even better manages to come about. Reference Doug Adams' situation with his book due out this fall on the LOTR film music.

The only problem is, those of us of the patient persuasion are not nearly so vocal as the those who find themselves in a different state of existence on this matter.

Please know that the most vocal are not necessarily the only voice. And that some of us would be appalled to speak to another as some people here seem quite comfortable speaking.

Best wishes. Your friends are with you.



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Kangi Ska
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Apr 3 2010, 6:17pm

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It is so good to hear from you. [In reply to] Can't Post

It as I suspected. Your presance is reassuring even if there is nothing new to say. I really hope the MGM thing moves on soon for everyone's sake.
Thanks.

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macfalk
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Apr 3 2010, 6:22pm

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Yes Kangi, [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess most of the fans are frustrated because everyone was so focused of what was to come, the planned schedule. When this new Smaug came and blocked the way from nowhere (that's how it felt... at least to me)

And also this nagging fear of not knowing when it all will end. Most of us are not so experienced in film business.


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Kangi Ska
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Apr 3 2010, 6:51pm

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It is hard for us but imagine how it is for Guillermo. [In reply to] Can't Post

His whole life is waiting for the other shoe to drop and then when it falls it never hits the floor and he finds it is back in his hand. I am glad that there are still some outward signs of Pre-pre-preproduction. It gives me faith that the Bullet train is ready to roll. All they need to do is get tho old cow (or should I say lion) off the tracks.

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Apr 3 2010, 7:04pm

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Indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

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Glorfindel
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Apr 3 2010, 8:12pm

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Always the the gentleman. [In reply to] Can't Post

Let's hope the tune playing on your radio every morning is slightly more appealing!

Fingers (and everything else) crossed you see a green hue on the morning horizon in the not too distant future.


DamienEngland
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Apr 3 2010, 8:50pm

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I feel obliged to tell you that not all fans... of Tolkien's, of the movies, and of you... are 'hacked off'. Some of us are feeling quite patient that things will progress when they are meant to progress... that no one is out to intentionally mess with our heads, disrespect us, or destroy our lives... and that we have other things to occupy our attention while circumstances are sorted out so that things can proceed.

And some of us have learned that sometimes the outcome of delays is that something even better manages to come about. Reference Doug Adams' situation with his book due out this fall on the LOTR film music.

The only problem is, those of us of the patient persuasion are not nearly so vocal as the those who find themselves in a different state of existence on this matter.

Please know that the most vocal are not necessarily the only voice. And that some of us would be appalled to speak to another as some people here seem quite comfortable speaking.

Best wishes. Your friends are with you.





Unsure Magpie, I can't help feeling that's a pretty thinly veiled attack. Especially as I stated quite clearly in a follow up comment, before Guillermo's appearance here, words to the effect of, quote:

"I agree there's an air of impatience to what I've said, and paradoxically I also entirely agree with the people here who've stressed patience and everything in good time etc. when that's entirely my life philosophy. I also don't think GDT owes us minute-by-minute disclosure really, and has always been incredibly gracious and inclusive re: the fanbase on these things when he DOES have something to tell us - more than most directors that's for sure."

My "buts ..." and being "hacked off" were largely wrapped up in repetition of the reportage, the endless Bilbo casting rumours, the stop & start etc of, quote: "a corporate dragon outside of their (i.e:the film-makers) control." And whilst I did indulge a little pointless dry humour & whimsy, at no point was it an idle and/or spiteful attack in the way you have alluded. If I'm wrong about your intent there, I apologise, but it just struck me, especially in the light of GDT's appearance, as a lightning attempt to affirm your own loyalties in a needless "us " and "them" scenario and make my comments seem underhanded or inauthentic somehow when I too, am a huge fan of this man's work. Dunno ... just a hunch.

Where I was outright WRONG, for example about the 3D debate causing delays, etc, I'm glad to be proven so. I make no secrets about not being a fan of Avatar, whether or not I'm in the minority on that score. But it's also pretty clear that on the acting & scripting front, The Hobbit would inevitably be stronger than Cameron's film if it eventually went that route, so my qualms with the whole process (i.e: largely coming from a place of concern about the wow factor being a distraction to solid story-telling) would also come under question. Perhaps if The Hobbit can balance both where imo Avatar didn't, that will be its calling card as a superior 3D experience, I don't know. I'm an old fashioned git and I like my old fashioned movies.

As for Guillermo's intervention here, well, maybe the Michael Bays of this world would have launched into a fairly unpleasant tirade calling me an armchair critic by this point, so frankly any use of the word 'empathy' confirms the character of the man. Alright, that was for Bill not me, but you get the general idea. A gentleman. Especially when it's basically the cyber equivalent of someone who's never stepped foot in your house and doesn't know you, telling you to get a move on with decorating your living room when they can't see the pots of gloss emulsion or rollers stacked up on the newspaper covered floor. Or the fact your landlord had just put the damn house on the market anyway. Annoying.

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Any regrets? Not really. I blame no one for messing with my head though Magpie except Punxsutawney Phil ... Ned Ryerson ...

Garfield, maybe ...







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Glorfindel
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Apr 3 2010, 9:28pm

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 3 2010, 9:35pm

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Now that I understand the term and how it is applied... [In reply to] Can't Post

Magpie's statement has a bit of the old NARF buried in it. Just after you posted the original I posted "Nice summary :)" and I meant it. Your empassioned statement spoke aloud the darker thoughts that many of us had in the middle of the night when we woke up sweating. Sometimes it is better to get it out, to exorcise the daemons and feel better.
Maybe you will get a better landlord.

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Apr 4 2010, 1:20am

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As I said- [In reply to] Can't Post

-great empathy about the Phil C syndrome...

No one wants things to resolve than we do -sigh-

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Apr 4 2010, 2:22am

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the fact that you come here and make comments, means that you are one of us, and that is no small thing.

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 4 2010, 2:23am

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Thanks Again [In reply to] Can't Post

If I had a couple a billion to spare I would solve the problem.

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GAndyalf
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Apr 4 2010, 5:27am

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It'll "ONLY" take about 300 million, no "couple billion" to do this thing right! Wink No worries, mellon! I don't think I've ever been groupie enough to be on a fan site where the director drops by to give hope when the going is painfully slow, but I surely appreciate it. But if I hit the Powerball tonight I'm right with ya on makin' a "donation"! Cool
Something wonderful and un-looked-for will come of this...

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dormouse
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Apr 4 2010, 8:08am

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thanks... [In reply to] Can't Post

and we're on your side!

*crosses fingers for a solution before too long*


DamienEngland
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Apr 4 2010, 9:52am

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Yes indeed, and for my final words on this ... (*applause at the back*) [In reply to] Can't Post

   
Unsure Meant to add (damn that disappearing edit function!) that since empathy means to understand and identify with another person's lot and feelings on a matter, I think it's due, ultimately, in only one direction.

What can I say: Alice in Wonderland, TF, Terminator IV, Indy IV, Clash of The Titans ..... we wait so many years for these hugely vaunted projects that ultimately disappoint, we get a little cosy in our ranting about things being done right and not done over by the dollar sign, forgetting that at the eye of every storm, the creative stewards of the projects are often suffering the most. (Michael Bay excepted Tongue)

Fellowship aside, I can safely say Pan's Labyrinth was by far the most miraculous experience watching a film I've had this past decade - almost a mini operetta of what it means to survive by the inner life-support of your fantasies as a child. Everything was perfect: the lullaby, the performances ... the earthiness of the visuals reminded me more of the likes of the bugs & centipedes crawling out from under the tree roots in Fellowship than the more CG-heavy look of King & Towers, in fact.

I guess my hoping for an unknown face as Bilbo is rooted in the joy of discovering Ivana Baquero or Federico Luppi for the first time in Guillermo's Spanish movies and the freshness that they brought to roles they occupied so utterly. Where the studio system was giving us our one millionth brattish "child-star" performance, we had Ivana's innocence. Where the studio system was giving us our millionth phoned-in Morgan Freemann narration, we had Luppi's sonorous voice discussing what it means to be a ghost. It was a breath of fresh air for me. Still is. So as a lover mainly of the Spanish works, and that perfect trio of Cronos>Backbone>Pan's, (wasn't sold on Hellboy, with regret) there's a big part of me hoping those sensibilities I love in him aren't stifled by any of this rigmarole, the studios, the money men, etc., or even household names.

That said, I still wish this had been directed at Kingdom of The Crystal Dollar, or Bay over Buckformers. Del Toro for a mess out of his hands?!? Mental!

By way of revenge, may I suggest a cameo from a stuffed Punxsutawney Phil in the background of a dwarves' cave or Orcs' armoury, c/o the Harold Ramis props department.

Love and empathy,
Damien.



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Apr 4 2010, 4:27pm

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it's the unexpected Un-party [In reply to] Can't Post

The bad news about delays dribble in like dwarves into Bilbo home.

Next they will start demanding our best ale and seed cakes.

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olipowell
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Apr 4 2010, 4:28pm

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Fear not...unknown bilbo may well come to pass [In reply to] Can't Post

I haven't voiced my opinion on the boards for a while but...

I now know 2 people who have read for Bilbo that I went to Drama school with and I can say categorically they are both entirely unknown outside of the world of theatre & bit TV parts. So...they ARE seeing and have seen unknowns and I would not be surprised if that is the route they take. I don't think we'll be seeing any big names for Bilbo or even for many of the Dwarves.

The MGM affrairs - yeh they may well be causing delays but I cannot see that they would halt production altogether. I for one am almost glad that a 2011 release is looking less likely as then time can be taken on the edit to make it really tight.

3D - I would hope that if they do this they will be looking to develop avatar style technology even more. I personally thought it was a promising feast for the eyes although the writing was pretty poor can totally see. I just don't understand all these movies being changed from 2D to 3D for the sake of it...if you're going to do it...do it right from the start. Don't just convert it in a bog effort to make more £$.

As for my own quest to get cast - well it seems this week may in fact be D-Day for me, according to the casting director - I'm excited to hear from Mr Taylor the extent that the world of the dwarf is going to be explored, I think having to cast 13 lends itself to creating 13 entirely unique dwarves, not all fat, gruff voiced & middle aged......I will share as much as I can when I know the details...but wish me luck! "Look for my coming on the 8th Month" Tongue...And now I am silent once more...

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Ataahua
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Apr 4 2010, 8:47pm

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Thanks for the snippet about the casting for Bilbo! So more things than just Hobbiton and Warg costumes are taking place behind the scenes...

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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macfalk
Valinor


Apr 4 2010, 8:53pm

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I'm glad the yellow light procedure is moving onwards...


GAndyalf
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Apr 4 2010, 9:06pm

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olipowell! From the tambre of your post I'd put you as Dori (think you could carry Bilbo on your back? Wink )

"Even the very wise cannot see all ends."



farmer maggot
Rivendell

Apr 4 2010, 11:06pm

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that you should give thought and time to come to TORN to soothe the jangling nerves. That such hopes rest with you is the price you pay for taking on a project that is so loved and longed for with such a passion. There may even be some here who are concerned that they will be around to see the final scenes on screen. PJ and yourself have given hope that a once only dreamed of thing may happen - a full and skillful Hobbit rendered to the screen. Whatever the arguments/discussions I am sure we all just wish to see you unleashed to create that magic.

Then we can believe that nothing will stand in its way.


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Apr 5 2010, 3:22am

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the official ('cause I wouldn't ever call him "real") Punxsutawney Phil...



...but he wouldn't be fit for stuffing by the time I got done with him. ;)

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Elafacwen
The Shire


Apr 5 2010, 4:23am

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I'm sure we all thank you for this bit of information! And I wish you the BEST of luck!!


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Nimloth
Lorien


Apr 5 2010, 8:42pm

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Keep us posted. Wink


Glorfindel
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Apr 5 2010, 9:06pm

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I'd be glad to know if they are casting a wide range of ages for the dwarves. Are some of them going to be quite young i.e. Fili and Kili? There has been endless speculation and discussion about what age Bilbo should appear but none so far (I think) of the dwarves' ages. If they generally live beyond 250 years of age and Fili and Kili are 82 and 77 years old what 'age', in human terms, does that make them?


dernwyn
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Apr 6 2010, 1:17am

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Thank you for the info, and do let us know how it goes with you! Smile


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Sunflower
Valinor

Apr 6 2010, 4:52am

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Wonderful to know that things like this ARE happening. I'd love to kow who is funding the casting agencies, though.Cool

And thank you too, as always, Guillermo Sir, for popping in. Even a fellow nod of exasperation from you is a great comfort!


DamienEngland
Rivendell

Apr 6 2010, 9:53am

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... Good luck Oli! Cool

Btw, if Bilbo doesn't go to a complete unknown then I'd personally like to see it go to a jobbing actor who hasn't had that much of a big break until now. If you think of the most successful casting in the original trilogy - Viggo, inparticular - they were often actors who'd been doing the circuit for years but never really broken through.

So my vote goes to Mr.Hugh Bonneville. Right age, enough of a vague resemblance to Holme, and just something a bit hobbity about him really, without being way too young and therefore forcing the transition to the first films out of kilter. I just can't see a fresh faced actor negating the "You haven't aged a day" problem really, given it's a major deal in Fellowship (and that he ages like Methusala once he's rid of the ring ...) Need a guy who can still handle the physical demands of the role that's in his mid to later forties, imo. And here he is ----->





and looking a little more Bilbo-esque here ....





Only problem is, whilst he's not exactly a giant, he's not exactly a half-pint either. Average height: 5 ' 9 or 10 or something? - maybe someone can correct me, I'm not sure. But hey - forced perspective n' all. Practically every other name suggested seems to me either a) too young, b) to have no (not even vague) physical similarity to Ian Holme, or c) be heavily associated with a previous role. Bonneville neatly vaults all three.


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macfalk
Valinor


Apr 6 2010, 10:03am

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DamienEngland
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Apr 6 2010, 10:15am

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He even sounds like him. The way he says "a howling gale from France!" in this clip. Shocked It's pure Bilbo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqiZRJd7xIo

Still trying to guage his height, but no idea if that's a medium height or shorter actress he's standing next to there, so very tricky.




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RaoulJ
Rivendell


Apr 6 2010, 10:29am

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Hugh Bonneville isn't that short, he is 1,87 meter or 6ft1,75in.
I don't know how they are going to film the hobbit, but I think they try to cast Bilbo shorter than the dwarves. Ofcourse if he can act they should consider him.


DamienEngland
Rivendell

Apr 6 2010, 10:46am

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Same height as me. Unsure Well, everything else about him is so perfect compared to names suggested so far who are more in the right height range, it'd be a shame if it ruled him out of the running. (and didn't Matthew Goode audition for Bilbo? He's quite a tall fella, I recall.)

No idea if the Bilbo casting call sheet says in the small print words to the effect of: "Only actors in the 5 ft - 5 ft 8 bracket need apply" the heightist, swines! Wink

But I'm still in camp Hugh. He exudes Bilbo-ness from every pore.



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RaoulJ
Rivendell


Apr 6 2010, 10:54am

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Well, he does look a bit like him. And I will appreciate it if they cast an unknown.

But I won't pick a side. As long as it isn't McAvoy...


olipowell
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Apr 6 2010, 11:24am

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That comparitvely and pre make-up that makes Kili & Fili around....25 in human years!!! - What a coincidence! ; )


Glorfindel
Rivendell

Apr 6 2010, 8:07pm

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... and anything else I can bestow upon you to make it happen! I know how hard it is to get noticed.


sharku
Rivendell

Apr 7 2010, 10:45am

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HB has been discussed quite extensively and favourably on these boards before... as a quick serach for 'Bonneville' will attest.

Personally, he'd be my choice for Bilbo, with Freeman a close second. At this late stage though, I don't doubt Bilbo has been tested and cast - and only a Stuart Townsend-like situation or protracted delays will alter whoever they already have in mind.

[here's hoping though!]





 
 

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