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Will The Hobbit be in 3-D
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Anduril1993
Rivendell

Feb 11 2010, 12:46pm

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 11 2010, 12:56pm

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Feb 11 2010, 2:24pm

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Don't be so sure [In reply to] Can't Post

I know that when this came up last year GdT said that there was no plans at that time to produce the films in 3D, but given the apparent delays in finishing the script, Jackson's stated desire to use 3D (generally speaking), and the unprecedented success of Avatar, I would not be surprised if that decision got reversed.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 11 2010, 2:47pm

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GDT repeated his intent not to do three D [In reply to] Can't Post

and after seeing Avatar last weekend I am convinced that it would be a big mistake to release The Hobbit(s) in 3-D.

It just is not needed.

Kangi Ska

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Darkstone
Immortal


Feb 11 2010, 2:54pm

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Well personally.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I'm hoping for Sensurround, Smell-O-Vision, Electroshock, and Cinerama, with Split Screen action and multiple endings the audience gets to vote on.

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Feb 11 2010, 2:58pm

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When and where did GdT repeat his intent not to do 3D, since Avatar's release? I'm pretty sure I have read everything that he has said or that has been reported that he has said, and I haven't seen anything on the subject since it came up last fall. If you have link to the contrary, I would be very curious to see it.

I'm not saying that I think that the films should be in 3d; in fact I saw Avatar in 2D and was perfectly happy to do so. But the reality is that there is going to be increasing pressure from the studios to these particular films in 3D (and likely from Jackson too). The studios have one goal and one goal only - to make as much money as possible. If they think that making the films in 3D will help them approach Avatar's success, they will insist on that happening.

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Kangi Ska
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Feb 11 2010, 3:47pm

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Here on His last visit [In reply to] Can't Post

You will note that he does not specifically deny it in the text, he does lump it with two other rumors he has also denied I took it as affirmation of his previous denial.

"Much is happening and much more will occur before production starts. We've made an effort to keep the project from becoming inert. I read so much speculation on the net (Bilbo being a CG character, the film being 3D, David Tennant as Bilbo) and meanwhile our lives over here are also quite interesting and busy. I would love to share much, but then wild surges occur and deadlines are bypassed.

Suffice to say, we are all progressing strongly and, as a director, my own vision for the movie (both parts) gets stronger every day. At this stage I have seen it in my head and I am full of unholy fire. I dream of it. Every single night."


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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 11 2010, 3:48pm

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Darkstone
Immortal


Feb 11 2010, 3:54pm

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dormouse
Half-elven

Feb 11 2010, 3:56pm

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I'm sure you're right ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... about pressure from the studios, particularly after the success of Avatar. But I really hope that Guillermo's earlier comments hold true and they don't go for 3D with The Hobbit. From what I've heard of Avatar it really has only the 3D and CGI stuff to recommend it and draw audiences in, the story is pretty weak and predictable and many who've seen it are disappointed. The Hobbit is a very good story and if it's written and acted well, which I'm sure it will be, flashy gimmicks won't be necessary and might even detract. Maybe it's just me, but I hope they don't go that way. 2D with all the artistry of Alan Lee, John Howe and Weta to bring the visual aspects of the film into being will be just fine.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Feb 11 2010, 4:01pm

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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

Personally, I think it is too much of a leap to consider that an affirmation of his previous denial, but your mileage may vary. For myself, I think this statement in that same post is more relevant:

"But news- all news-, from everyone, ever- are shifting until we get the green light."

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 11 2010, 4:02pm

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I am falling through the hole in the ring. [In reply to] Can't Post

For me 3-D is too much like a gimmick. It appeals to the Gamer Crowd but the glasses are a pain in the keester especially if you already wear lenses. Avatar was beautiful but too much like watching a video game for my tastes. The plot was weak and certain visual content defied any rational understanding. I could believe all the big floating rocks but where was all the water running off of them coming from? I really believe that the 3-D treatment will not happen until a 3-D version of LotR is released and that is not going to happen for a while.

Kangi Ska

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 11 2010, 4:04pm

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SirDennisC
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Feb 11 2010, 4:29pm

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Hello, standing right here -- [In reply to] Can't Post

can hear what you are saying about us gamers.

Check out this headline: "The nays have it: 'Gamers' tip vote against 3D Hobbit" -- is what it would read if there was such a story, and if voting on film form and content weren't an even bigger gimmick.


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Feb 11 2010, 4:31pm

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Nah, I'm still hoping for B&W [In reply to] Can't Post

So that the technology level seems to advance through the pentology for those lucky viewers in the future who get to watch The Hobbit before LOTR for the first time. Doesn't make any sense if the first two have better effects than the last 3. Cool



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moreorless
Gondor

Feb 11 2010, 4:36pm

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I do see it being potentially suitable [In reply to] Can't Post

While 3d's normally just a gimmick I felt Avatar did show how it can be used to help increase an audiences perception of a location. The locations themselves were rather OTT(although with high enough rainfall you do get large waterfalls on plateau mountains such as Angel Falls) and the story didnt have a vast amount of depth but Cameron did seem to understand how to film 3d to achieve the above.

Tolkien was obviously very concerned with location and giving the reader a strong perception of space/time and Jackson spent alot of time trying to achieve at least the former of those with LOTR so I can see why he'd be keen to try something new with The Hobbit.

The problem I spose though could be that because Avatar was largely CG they didnt need to lug around a 3d camara to multiple locations where as The Hobbit is likely to use alot more live action footage and real location work.


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Plurmo
Rohan

Feb 11 2010, 5:01pm

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B&W and Silent. [In reply to] Can't Post

No more anguish about talking animals and singing elves.



Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 11 2010, 5:02pm

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Patty
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Feb 11 2010, 5:02pm

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Choice. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd like to have the same choice we had with Avatar. Those of you who don't want to see it in 3D can enjoy your 2D version.

Regardless, I think the cat is out of the bag (or Pandora's box has been opened) or however you want to say it--Avatar's 3D success has impacted movies (especially ones that are 2 years away) in a way that studios won't be willing to go back from. $15 a seat? Yeah, they'll be all over that.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 11 2010, 5:07pm

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Going Forward [In reply to] Can't Post

"Jackson spent alot of time trying to achieve at least the former of those with LOTR so I can see why he'd be keen to try something new with The Hobbit"

I think not. I think it will happen going forward but not to the Hobbit(s) not now.


Kangi Ska

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Darkstone
Immortal


Feb 11 2010, 5:08pm

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Kinda like the first part of Wizard of Oz. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm hoping they can get Christian Berger as cinematographer. His B&W work on The White Ribbon (2009) was spectacular!

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I really could not tell to you,
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Feb 11 2010, 5:47pm

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almas_sparks
Rohan

Feb 11 2010, 6:07pm

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I hope it will be [In reply to] Can't Post

Avatar`s 3D is incredibly immersing as opposed to gimmicky 3D used in My Bloody Valentine 3D and Final Destination 3D. It`s really the next step in enhancing movie experience like sound,color and cinemascope were before it. It`s happening because it`s the next logical step in theatrical movie experience evolution.

My point is that it`s OK if The Hobbit goes forth with the progress and embraces 3D but if it doesn`t, that`s OK too. At least it`s been made.

That said, can`t wait for Clash of the Titans 3D but most of all Inception. Paris folding into itself...in 3D...July cannot come soon enough!


GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2010, 6:09pm

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When GdT posted here [In reply to] Can't Post

a few months ago saying that there had been absolutely no discussion of 3D, I’m pretty sure it was before the release of Avatar. At the time, I agreed with him that 3D wouldn’t be appropriate; however, I did a 360 degree change of heart shortly after the theater lights went down and they started playing previews of upcoming 3D movies and the beginning of Avatar. It occurred to me that The Hobbit moviemakers would have to have a very strong will and be extremely difficult to impress in order to stick with their original viewpoint on this after seeing the possibilities of this technology to remove yet another barrier to experiencing a movie visually. Frankly, what I saw won me over to 3D. I realize that lots of fans have other preferences, though, so I agree with Patty that it’d be great if we had a choice like we did with Avatar to see it in 3D or 2D.

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almas_sparks
Rohan

Feb 11 2010, 6:12pm

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There would be 3D and 2D choice [In reply to] Can't Post

because there are still not enough 3D theaters. Until all theaters get 3D equipment (which won`t be soon), they`ll have to do 3D/2D release split.

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