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Probably no third "bridge" movie, according to Peter Jackson in this MTV-interview,
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N.E. Brigand
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Aug 16 2009, 11:55pm

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What do you mean by "completing the story"? [In reply to] Can't Post

Why would the Jackson-del Toro sequence not be complete upon the appearance of The Hobbit films?

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Aug 17 2009, 12:06am

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What logical storyline? [In reply to] Can't Post


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But is that really important? After all it is a FANTASY-movie, and completing the story is also worth something, or not? Enjoy it, don't take it too seriously. I guess I will provoke now a lot of reactionsWink, but I felt I HAD to post this. Besides, they can take the appendices as a guideline, and they can hold on to the fact there must be a logical storyline to go from The Hobbit 2 towards The Fellowship. So, it's not entirely a "riddle in the dark."



Setting aside the issue of the fact that the appendices only have a bare skeleton and that the filmmakers would need to fill things in vastly more than they did with the LOTR films (and the fact that the parts of the LOTR that were filled in were mostly the worst parts of the films), what logical storyline do you think think could be taken from the appendices that would both fill in the gap in time between the Hobbit films and FOTR AND make a coherent, interesting film in and of itself?

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squire
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Aug 17 2009, 12:43am

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Why are the 'mainstream fans' not Tolkien fans? [In reply to] Can't Post

I know what you're saying: ordinary movie-goers who liked the LotR films but have never and will never read the books, are likely to enjoy another film with a "Tolkien-like" story, whether or not it's closely adapted from Tolkien's actual writings.

But don't you think they would soon realize that a couple of 21st century hack screenwriters had turned out a relatively cheap and meaningless movie, without the intrinsic authenticity and character that Tolkien's text gave to the screenplay of the LotR trilogy and will give to the Hobbit duology? In other words, aren't those mainstream LotR fans actually already "Tolkien fans" without realizing it, because they responded to the very high quality of the material?



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Theodred
Lorien


Aug 17 2009, 8:25am

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N.E.Brigand:
What do you mean by "completing the story"? Why would the Jackson-del Toro sequence not be complete upon the appearance of The Hobbit films?



I obviously don't know what exactly will be in the second movie, but it seems to me they can't add the entire 60 years gap into it, this material needs an extra movie I guess. They can't cram it all in the second movie, together with the second part of The Hobbit.


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VtF: What logical storyline? Setting aside the issue of the fact that the appendices only have a bare skeleton and that the filmmakers would need to fill things in vastly more than they did with the LOTR films (and the fact that the parts of the LOTR that were filled in were mostly the worst parts of the films), what logical storyline do you think think could be taken from the appendices that would both fill in the gap in time between the Hobbit films and FOTR AND make a coherent, interesting film in and of itself?



They can use several things in the bridgemovie, such as:
- Gandalf in Rivendell
- The relation between Aragorn and Arwen
- The rise of Sauron
- Aragorn searching for Gollum
- Saruman turning to evil
- The interaction between the characters,how they met i.e.
- Gandalf's visits to the Shire
and anything else that leads up to the events in the Fellowship




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Squire: Why are the 'mainstream fans' not Tolkien fans? I know what you're saying: ordinary movie-goers who liked the LotR films but have never and will never read the books, are likely to enjoy another film with a "Tolkien-like" story, whether or not it's closely adapted from Tolkien's actual writings.

But don't you think they would soon realize that a couple of 21st century hack screenwriters had turned out a relatively cheap and meaningless movie, without the intrinsic authenticity and character that Tolkien's text gave to the screenplay of the LotR trilogy and will give to the Hobbit duology? In other words, aren't those mainstream LotR fans actually already "Tolkien fans" without realizing it, because they responded to the very high quality of the material?



Maybe a part of the mainstream fans will become also Tolkienfans, but not everyone of them. Many of them will come tho the theater because they have high expectations, they want to see a good movie, but I don't think they will all go to the bookshop in the next few days and buy the books of Tolkien. But I see your point, I agree that if GdT and/or PJ aren't involved, I'm also not looking forward to an possible bridgemovie. We all expect a certain standard, which seems almost impossible to reach without them.

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Aug 17 2009, 1:49pm

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Personally, I'm going to hope [In reply to] Can't Post

that they do make another film... at least one... from the information they'd apparently gleaned to create the original "bridge" film idea. At that point, the obviously had enough valid information to construct another film... and for me, they've proven they're worthy of extending the heart or spirit of Tolkien's work. In fact, if there is enough information for an final story showing what happened afterwards, I'd love to see that, too. Sam being Mayor, married, with a buhzillion kids, Merry & Pippin becoming leaders of their clans and eventually joining Aragorn in Minas Tirith, Faramir and Eowyn making a hope in Ithilien, Elessar and Eomer continuing to fight to gether to protect their lands, the birth of Eldarion and a re-capture of Arwen's vision of them in the forest, Gimli and Legolas' friendship whilst helping to restore Minas Tirith and eventually building a boat to sail together... so much to see, to be and to do.



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Theodred
Lorien


Aug 17 2009, 2:07pm

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Maybe we should start a new thread, [In reply to] Can't Post

making a list of all the possible things that could happen in a bridgemovie we can think of.Sly

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Aug 17 2009, 2:17pm

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Great idea :D *runs to text* // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."
~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Aug 17 2009, 2:52pm

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How would that make a coherent, interesting film in and of itself? [In reply to] Can't Post


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VtF: What logical storyline? Setting aside the issue of the fact that the appendices only have a bare skeleton and that the filmmakers would need to fill things in vastly more than they did with the LOTR films (and the fact that the parts of the LOTR that were filled in were mostly the worst parts of the films), what logical storyline do you think think could be taken from the appendices that would both fill in the gap in time between the Hobbit films and FOTR AND make a coherent, interesting film in and of itself?



They can use several things in the bridgemovie, such as:
- Gandalf in Rivendell
- The relation between Aragorn and Arwen
- The rise of Sauron
- Aragorn searching for Gollum
- Saruman turning to evil
- The interaction between the characters,how they met i.e.
- Gandalf's visits to the Shire
and anything else that leads up to the events in the Fellowship



That sounds to me like a series of barely connected vignettes, with no overarching theme to bind them together. I doubt that such a film would have much interest to the general public. And I think most fans of Tolkien's books would dislike it because it would by necessity take too many liberties with Tolkien's work. So the only people that would be left would be the hardcore fans of the Jackson films. I don't think that audience is sufficient. More importantly, I don't think it would be a good movie.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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Theodred
Lorien


Aug 17 2009, 7:15pm

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The overarching theme to bind them together could be... [In reply to] Can't Post

the growing threat of Sauron and his dark forces, especially the Nazgul. They can show up and strike at any place, anytime and anywhere, what could be the common bond all the characters in Middle-Earth have. If they must be constantly on their guard and be aware the Dark Forces of Sauron could suddenly strike and that they have the feeling they're nowhere and never safe, if you could see the fear on their faces and you could show that throughout the entire movie that they're pre-occupied with the possibility of a sudden attack, this constant threat could give the audience a very uneasy feeling, so that could be the overarching theme of the movie. But it's just an idea I thought of, ofcourse there are probably more possibilities.

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