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Clearing up Misconceptions Regarding the Tolkien v. New Line Lawsuit (by Voronwe the Faithful)
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Darkstone
Immortal


Jun 16 2008, 8:13pm

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And novelizations. [In reply to] Can't Post

I tried to warn the forum a few weeks ago but no one would believe me.

Well, they've already done it with the video games. Original storylines and all that. One of the big complaints about the ROTK film from "video game firsters" is "Where are the Easterlings!?!?!"

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.



Solicitr
Lorien

Jun 16 2008, 8:23pm

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Fortunately [In reply to] Can't Post

novelizations are not a threat we need to fear: Tolkien and thus his heirs reserved plenary rights to book publishing. Even the movie-linked 'Visual Guides' etc had to get Estate consent.


Darkstone
Immortal


Jun 16 2008, 8:34pm

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So... [In reply to] Can't Post

...the comic books and graphic novels were published with the Estate's consent?

Wow, here I thought they were Zaentz's doing. So much for literary purity!

So Zaentz can license a play but the text can never be published? He can authorize an opera but the libretto can never see the light of day? Very interesting.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.



(This post was edited by Darkstone on Jun 16 2008, 8:38pm)


Voorhas
Lorien


Jun 16 2008, 9:54pm

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Think of the Possibilities [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope I live to see Tolkien Babies on Saturday morning television.

"They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." -- E.A. Poe


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jun 17 2008, 4:06am

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Hm... [In reply to] Can't Post

A while back in one of the Movie Discussion Threads ( http://newboards.theonering.net/...b=post_time;so=DESC; )Elven told us that she had asked Daniel Reeve if there would be a book about his LotR artwork, and that was his answer:


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Daniel:
I've definitely considered this, and I approached Harper Collins (Houghton Mifflin) about it. But there had been a quota for movie-related LOTR books agreed upon between New Line, Harper Collins and Tolkien Estate, and that quota had already been filled.

But the door has never been completely shut. In the event that The Hobbit was filmed, for example, discussions could resume... And now, years later, guess what! Or there has been the possibility of a general "The Art of Daniel Reeve" book.


From that I get the impression that the books connected with the movies were approved by the Estate, not Zaentz. Though that doesn't say anything about the Hobbit comic I know exists (had the German translation in hand once), of course. Maybe they allowed the comic as a means of luring non-reading kids to the books Wink

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.

(This post was edited by Peredhil lover on Jun 17 2008, 4:06am)


Sunflower
Valinor

Jun 17 2008, 7:11am

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"Think of the franchise." [In reply to] Can't Post

Did anyone else's blood run cold after reading MGM honcho Mary Parent's little statement..AFTER they slapped their foreheads and went "Oh, GOD?!!"

The only thing I csn think of, is who would want to even attempt such a thing. Film 2 is already controversial, and it hasn't even been written yet. Crazy Then there are the logistics....


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jun 17 2008, 11:02am

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Just wondering [In reply to] Can't Post

Would PJ and/or GDT agree to make more than the two now planned movies at all? And if someone other does them in Hollywood, would they be a success at all? Somehow I doubt it.

Anyway, I thought NL had the license for exact these two movies, nothing more? Was this extended? Can't remember just now and don't have time to search.

And another question. According to Wikipedia, Saul Zaentz is over 80 already. What happens with the film rights when he dies one day? Revert the rights back to the Tolkien Estate then, or do they go to Zaentz' heirs? Or whatever possibilities do exist?

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Voorhas
Lorien


Jun 17 2008, 7:02pm

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Comic [In reply to] Can't Post

I've heard the Tolkien Estate allowed the production of that comic as they considered The Hobbit a "children's story," unlike LOTR.

Haven't they heard that comics "aren't just for kids anymore?" Sheesh!

"They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." -- E.A. Poe

(This post was edited by Voorhas on Jun 17 2008, 7:04pm)


Solicitr
Lorien

Jun 18 2008, 12:06am

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Technically [In reply to] Can't Post

Zaentz' Tolkien rights are ownerd by Tolkien Enterprises, a subsidiary of The Saul Zaentz Company Inc. Saul just happens to be the majority stockholder. When he goes the corporation will still own the rights.


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jun 18 2008, 4:52am

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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

As it is usually said that Zaentz holds the rights, not his company, I was not sure. (Though it is an understandable simplification).

Thanks for explaining!

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jun 18 2008, 4:59am

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Comics [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, times change. When I was a kid, it was frowned upon to read comics at all. Since then, we have come a long way.

Don't know for sure how old this comic originally is, but the oldest German translation I can find in our catalogue is from 1992. Back then, there were mainly children's comics published, as far as I know. Or at least these that children can read and enjoy as much as adults.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.

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