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MrCere
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May 30 2008, 4:42am
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He also is and has long been active on "DelToroFilms" {NT}
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I have no choice but to believe in free will.
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
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Peredhil lover
Valinor
May 30 2008, 4:59am
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Remember, the Ring slowed down or stopped the aging process. Bilbo was 50, when he got the Ring, halfway through his life. (As Hobbits usually live to be around 100, Men around 70, that's a 35-40 old human). Frodo, on the other hand, was 33 and just coming of age, so probably looked more like a 20-year-old or slightly older. That's a little difference. Frodo had to look younger when he left the Shire than Bilbo did.
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Owain
Tol Eressea
May 30 2008, 5:11am
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This has been my personal favorite for Bilbo. He has incredible dramatic ability without going way over the top.
Subtle, deep, with a sensibility for comedy, JM is the only one I can see in the role.
I hope he get's it!
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Luinil
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May 30 2008, 5:13am
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Woodyend, are you trying to save me from leaning over my dusty books late at night? (think McKellan in the beginning of FotR) I'll be doing it anyway. :)
I wonder if Aragorn and Arwen would figure in significantly, since PJ, Fran and Philippa took so much interest in expanding them on the screen in LotR.
The White Council is of course the first thing that comes to mind for me. The two wisest of the Istari taking up their opposing places stands out pretty dramatically.
I don't really have any ideas about Bilbo. I'll ponder. It would obviously be cool to see him meet Aragorn.
Also, regarding David Tennant: I actually think that's an interesting idea and I can see it. Perhaps even more than any of the other names that have been thrown out. Still, I don't think he much matches up with Ian Holm. But I can totally see it.
And, Beleg, it was also my first post today. I've been lurking for a little while. We both couldn't be silent another minute, I see. :)
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hobbitgoddess
The Shire
May 30 2008, 5:21am
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Oh for crying out loud! He could not play Bilbo. No way. There are much better choices. I'd take Ed Norton over him (and thats saying something coming from me).
Don't get me wrong. James McAvoy can act, but not for the role of Bilbo.
As for the other names, if Daniel is Bilbo, well then there's just no point in hoping anymore. Go find some other movie to look forward too. the Hobbit will be f---ed. We don't want people going, "Hey look! It's Harry!"
Jack Black, funny guy, not a Bilbo. He is one of my favorite actors actually. But they would just be putting him in there for celebrity purposes.
I'm scared yet again.
Have you hugged your hobbit today?
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Peredhil lover
Valinor
May 30 2008, 5:28am
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This is exactly right. Its time to move on. Not only does it make no sense that Ian Holm could play Bilbo for the majority of the film, but PJ and GDT have outright said it is going to be someone else and Holm will be used in some other way. It seems a pretty fair assumption that Holm will or may be narrating the opening and closing of the film.
That is one of the ideas I truly like. Ian Holm could to this, I think, and it would be a nice touch. Well, maybe it will come to pass, who knows?
My wife is one of the "only Ian Holm can be Bilbo" people. The one thing that puzzles me is why people think Ian Holm could play a nearly 30 year younger version of himself. There are no believable make up or visual FX for this currently and even what is out there (like the horrible younger Magneto in X-Men 3) are unconvincing and expensive. Doing that for a whole movie to the lead actor is simply ridiculous and not going to happen.
The key here is that Ian Holm already looked old even in the prologue which was filmed 9 years ago! Why then will he be able to play Bilbo in The Hobbit now that he is 76 years old (9 years older than when he first donned the youthing makeup). Personally I think he looked weird with dark hair and wrinkles. Imagine how he would look now. Ridiculous and unconvincing.
I just find it bizarre that anyone can seriously think Ian Holm can play the younger Bilbo at this stage. I wish he could, I really do, but reality sucks sometimes.
You're so right! I've tried to explain that often enough that I already feel like a parrot  Somehow I get the feeling some people don't understand the age thing at all - the way different aging of Men and Hobbits, the effects of the Ring and the age of the actor is entwined. This seems difficult to understand for some people. Or it is wishful thinking. I'd like Ian Holm to play Bilbo myself, but I knew from the beginning that it is highly unlikely.
I do think McAvoy would do well as Bilbo, but since GDT has already dispelled what is nothing but another ridiculous rumor from British tabloids (worst papers in the world) I think there is still hope for the relatively unknown Martin Freeman to bring his quiet charm to the role of Bilbo. :-D
Even if GDT didn't think of him by himself, now he's aware of the idea, as the poor guy is reading all these 'insane' suggestions
Otherwise, I hope GDT surprises us with an inspired choice.
I simply trust him, him and Peter, Fran and Philippa. They did a great job with the casting for LotR, and I trust them to repeat this great work.
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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krystledm
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May 30 2008, 5:34am
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I'm sorry to correct you...but
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The film did confuse a lot of people
The film makes it appear that Bilbo leaves one week and the next Frodo does as well...this is not so.
Canon states Frodo's age when he sets off on his journey. I won't quote a number because I do not have my book handy, but I believe he was around 55 years old.
Now if your determined to have a youngin, look to Peregrin, who was between 30 and 33, once again no book, sorry
Anyone wanna site those for me so we have it solid.
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Kelvarhin
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May 30 2008, 5:57am
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actually PL agewise Kangi_Ska is right, I've been re-reading LOTR and Frodo is about 50 in the book, he turned 33 at the Long-expected Party.
There he stood
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Eledhwen
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May 30 2008, 6:05am
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As much as I adore David Tennant (and I really, really do) his height would be a major issue for the filmmakers. Even though in TH Bilbo's mostly with the dwarves, imagine trying to fake the height differences when your main hobbit is as tall as your Elves. Nightmare. Plus, he's way too skinny to be a hobbit.
And if he committed to TH he'd have to leave Doctor Who, which would be a Bad Thing.
Figwit Still Lives!
Calling for a Figwit cameo in The Hobbit since May 2008
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Eledhwen
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May 30 2008, 6:07am
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Thank you for that! We appreciate any tidbits offered.
Figwit Still Lives!
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Peredhil lover
Valinor
May 30 2008, 6:08am
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this post implies that Bilbo and Frodo had to look the same age when they left the Shire for the first time, at least I did understand it so, and I was trying to explain that is not the case, though they were both 50. Both stopped aging after getting the Ring, or at least the aging process slowed down, only Bilbo was already middle-aged by then and Frodo newly come of age.
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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stormcrow20
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May 30 2008, 6:09am
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Radcliffe? Black? LaBeouf?! *screams in horror* Say it ain't so!!//
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SeanDuff
The Shire
May 30 2008, 6:10am
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I doubt these will be the only hats tossed into the ring.
http://mysite.verizon.net/res100213/id3.html
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beleg
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May 30 2008, 6:24am
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At Bilbo's goodbye party, Frodo turned 33. But, in the book, he didn't leave the Shire for quite a while.
As a matter of fact, if you subtract the year of his birth (2968) from the first of the "Great Years" (3018) as seen in Appendix B, you get.....
50.
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sharku
Rivendell
May 30 2008, 6:27am
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Another vote for Hugh Bonneville
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... demeaner, acting chops and appearance. Google his website and look at his photo.
Another vote here for Hugh Bonneville (although Martin Freeman would be my second choice, and Mcavoy wouldn't be the worst, if a little young and thin).
Bonneville seems to tick a number of important boxes - looks, age, voice. Not sure about his acting chops is the only thing!
www.sueterryvoices.com/profile/hugh-bonneville/
www.hughbonneville.co.uk/
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May 30 2008, 6:42am
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but as I already repeatedly said, the Ring stopped the aging or at least slowed it down, so Frodo didn't look like 50 when he left. So I don't agree that Frodo and Bilbo had to look the same age at 50. But if you think otherwise, feel free.
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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Artanis
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May 30 2008, 6:42am
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I wasn't making fun or anything at all. I was agreeing with you (I am beside myself with exitement.....LOL....and when GDT popped on ....LOL.....I kept nudging my husband saying ...."He is on ....He is on...." (see it is me who is the blithering teen!!!! ). I'm sorry. It made me smile when I read your post as it was exactly how I felt. I missed all the hype over the LOTR films, and I'm really exited to be here at the beginning of the Hobbit. .....so sorry my post wasn't taken as it was written .
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stormcrow20
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May 30 2008, 6:45am
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...those are three unfashionable, unhobbity hats that should be thrown out, in my opinion.
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Kelvarhin
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May 30 2008, 7:47am
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and put that way you're right Bilbo still looked around 50 and Frodo still looked to be 33
Sorry again *walks off hanging head*
There he stood
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maut
Rivendell
May 30 2008, 7:52am
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When I was reading Hobbit or LOTR books I had my own image of characters. PJ and his team in the LOTR trilogy did pleased me with Bilbo and Gandalf...Some others were not so fitting for me But the only charascter in the movie I cannot stand is Frodo. He is TOO young, TOO child-like. I don't want to see such a Bilbo in the Hobbit movies. If not sir Ian, then anyone looking like him- that what i just want to see. But no way new Frodo or (even worse!) Harry Potter! Please do not ruin the legend!
One Ring to rule them all,
one Ring to find them,
oneRing to bring them all,
and in darkness bind them!
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Naur ann adriat ammin!
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Artanis
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May 30 2008, 8:21am
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thanks for the tip . I was dubious about him being director, but my respect has grown suffiently to feel that the films are in safe hands.
Just a thought about Bilbo in film 2, I was thinking how at the end of the Hobbit, when Bilbo is on his way home, travelling back through Rivendell etc., well I was thinking perhaps that would be a good start to film 2. The Hobbit would still be self contained with all the main events, but the journey back home could lead into film 2, and then maybe have Gandalf telling Bilbo where he has been and what he has been up to....a bit like like what happens when Frodo is at Rivendell and Gandalf explains where he has been then.
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Valinor
May 30 2008, 8:27am
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Has happened to me, too! With all this excitement around I'm reading too fast and sometimes miss some details myself. And thinking along a different line can make that happen, too. And maybe I didn't express myself very well, who knows. So please don't feel bad about that!
(((Kelvarhin)))
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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FarFromHome
Valinor
May 30 2008, 8:30am
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Bare feet? Maybe only from Hobbiton to Rivendell.
But I doubt it. Bare feet have become an established part of the look of hobbits. It's true that the filmmakers have precedent from Tolkien's own illustrations, if they care to introduce boots. (They'd have to be big boots, to cover those large feet. I wonder how that would look??)
...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.
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Kelvarhin
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May 30 2008, 8:32am
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it's getting really confusing in here some days, on some threads I keep losing my place 
*hugs back* Kelvarhin x
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Elven
Valinor
May 30 2008, 8:53am
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*hums* ...These boots are make for walkin' ...
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This will be one of those interesting things which will crop up over time ... the boots!!
When I look at the illustration, I keep thinking they aren't boots like Legolas would wear - or pointy toed tra-la-lally boots - they look like cowboy boots to me
as long as they're not cowboy boots ... I'll be cool with them ...
If he doesnt wear them - maybe they'll appear for a second inside his pack so we know he has them with him just for some geeky goodness and probability ...
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Were off to Hobbiton finally!
Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!
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