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So apparently the top choices for Bilbo are James McAvoy, Daniel Radcliffe and Jack Black

Earl
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May 29 2008, 10:24am

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So apparently the top choices for Bilbo are James McAvoy, Daniel Radcliffe and Jack Black Can't Post

There's a bunch of sites reporting this, so I'm gonna post the link to the first site to have reported this (chronologically according to google)... the article is here on ShowbizSpy.

The relevant excerpt states:

A source tells British newspaper the Daily Express, "A number of names have been doing the rounds, including Daniel Radcliffe and Jack Black, but James (McAvoy) is the one the film's bosses really want.

"They're expected to have talks soon so hopefully it could be confirmed in the not too distant future."


For my part, I'm not so sure I'm a fan of Daniel Radcliffe as Bilbo. For one, he's Harry Potter, and for another, his acting, charisma, and personality don't come even close to Sir Ian Holm's. If PJ, GDT, Fran and Philippa are writing the part based on Holm's performance, I really don't see how they can imagine Radcliffe in that role.

Oh well, let's see where this goes Smile

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Artanis
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May 29 2008, 10:39am

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I think I can [In reply to] Can't Post

picture James McAvoy as Bilbo. I have only ever seen him as Mr. Tumnus and I thought he played him well. I would love for Ian Holm to be back (surely their computer whizz's could sort something out for anything he can't do Unsure). But if they really can't have him I think would be happy with McAvoy.

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One Ringer
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May 29 2008, 10:50am

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Yeah, it might work . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

I've never seen him in any movies, but he seems to have the looks. Maybe if he gains a little weight it'll work. However, I still think that Martin Freeman is a better choice.

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Peredhil lover
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May 29 2008, 11:22am

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Please, not Daniel Radcliffe! He may look a bit like Elijah (at least I've read repeatedly that fans are confusing them, something I could never really understand), but first, he is too young, and second, I don't know how much he improved, but I was not satisfied with his performance in the first HP movies. He can't hold a candle to Ian Holm in this regard.

And, as you said, he is Harry Potter. It would throw me completely to see him as Bilbo. Never!!

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Earl
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May 29 2008, 11:41am

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Yes, a boy wizard is Daniel Radcliffe [In reply to] Can't Post

and no middle aged hobbit. If it's true that Radcliffe is being considered, I dare to ask, what the heck are PJ and GDT thinking? Pirate

I'd like to think PJ and GDT can't have seriously considered him for this part... they must've made some passing remark that's been taken out of context (since any Hobbit news is big news these days).

I can't wait for Friday's issue of Empire magazine to see what else the interview with GDT reveals.

Crows and Gibbets! What is The House Of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll around on the floor with their dogs! You are but a lesser son of greater Sires.

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bookgirl13
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May 29 2008, 12:11pm

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I've never seen him in any movies, but he seems to have the looks. Maybe if he gains a little weight it'll work. However, I still think that Martin Freeman is a better choice.


Have to say that I have seen McAvoy in several very different films and he is an awesome actor - different in every role he has taken on. He has tremendous emotional depth yet can be comic as well. And his features are quite Hobbitish. Smile

Martin Freeman, although cute, is not in the same league - rather limited in his range. Bilbo has to grow throughout the story and I have major doubts over whether Freeman can encompass that.


diedye
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May 29 2008, 12:12pm

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If those are the only choices, I'll take James McAvoy... [In reply to] Can't Post

... not physically, of course, but you know what I mean. Wink

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deej
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May 29 2008, 12:18pm

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I'm not holding my breath. [In reply to] Can't Post

Those may be the actors that the studio wants, but that doesn't mean that's who GDT and PJ have in mind.


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Earl
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May 29 2008, 12:20pm

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Would Daniel Radcliffe even be available for filming in NZ in 2010? Seeing as HP7 is slated to be a two-part movie to be released in 2010 and 2011, I'd think the boy wizard would be pretty much tied up in a country half a World away from NZ.

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Earl
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May 29 2008, 12:21pm

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What does "insiders" mean? I wonder if these names aren't WB's idea of a Hobbit cast?

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bookgirl13
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May 29 2008, 12:21pm

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Those may be the actors that the studio wants, but that doesn't mean that's who GDT and PJ have in mind.


True, but it is fun speculating. This is the first time I have been able to indulge in it in reality. I have, of course, discussed appropriate casting if ever favourite novels are filmed. But this is a lot closer to reality and helps the lengthy preproduction time go quicker.


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Valinor

May 29 2008, 12:32pm

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forgot about that. You know, that is good news Wink

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Valinor

May 29 2008, 12:35pm

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Yes, it could be that these actors are the ones Warner want. The more I think about it, the less I can imagine Radcliffe as Bilbo, and I refuse to believe PJ and GDT would chose him at all. Oh well, who cares about Warner? Evil

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Smeagirl/Girllum
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May 29 2008, 12:35pm

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"A source"? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll take that with a grain of salt. I'm not listening to any of these rumors. I'm sure that PJ and GdT are going to pick someone good, and I won't pay attention to any names that get tossed around until I hear it out of PJ's or GdT's mouth.

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Earl
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May 29 2008, 12:53pm

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Not holding my breath until the word is officially out from PJ/GDT.

Yet it is a scary thought that Daniel Radcliffe is even being considered, regardless of whether he's being considered by the studios or the filmmakers Pirate

I don't indulge much in casting speculation because I really don't watch a lot of films, so I don't have a whole bunch of people I can choose from. But I do indulge in a little cribbing when casting speculation becomes anything like this Wink

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Telperion313
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May 29 2008, 1:29pm

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Better make it [In reply to] Can't Post

a whole giant mountain of salt. I simply cannot believe that anyone associated with the film is even considering Daniel Radcliffe or Jack Black. It sounds to me like a case of someone spreading a random rumour, which caught fire, and now it's spreading around all the websites. I'm not concerned... well, maybe a little...

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May 29 2008, 1:33pm

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I still want Martin Freeman...but McAvoy ain't too bad [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Roac
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May 29 2008, 1:35pm

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I agree that Daniel Radcliffe wouldn't fit the bill. Also, Jack Black... hmm. While he is a good actor when given roles that don't allow him the sort of over-the-top Jack Blackness he's so prone to demonstrate I can't help but think that in every movie I've seen him in he always has a smidgen of that irritating acting in him.

James McAvoy - he's actually the actor I've wanted to play Bilbo since the whole Hobbit movie talk began in earnest. I think he would be great.

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Lunamoth
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May 29 2008, 1:39pm

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Poor Jack [In reply to] Can't Post

I adore Jack Black, I honestly do. I've watched him develop since Mr. Show and Tenacious D. But in movies, he just tends to OVER-act, and I don't think I could believe him as Bilbo.


Elven
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May 29 2008, 1:48pm

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'Source?' ... my thoughts exactly Laugh ... I think theyve been wandering around the sites here and there trying to get some names - seeing that theres been none on offer, they've chosen those Wink
I cant imagine Daniel Radcliffes name in amongst this at all ...
nor Jack Black ... nor JMV ...

Im waiting for an official announcement, and I hope we hear of it here at tORN first .... please!!!

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deej
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May 29 2008, 1:56pm

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I wouldn't be upset if James McAvoy got the part, but am still holding out hope for Martin Freeman.

Daniel Radcliff, on the other hand, seems way too young (although that didn't stop them casting Elijah Wood as Frodo, I guess!) Not to mention I wouldn't be able to look at Bilbo and think "What's Harry Potter doing in Middle earth?"


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Actaeon
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May 29 2008, 2:34pm

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Why Bilbo, you havent aged a day! [In reply to] Can't Post

Arent all those people too young to play Bilbo anyway?
Bilbo in my mind would appear roughly the same age as he did in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.

One of the rings powers is to give whomever possesses it an unnaturally long life, i presume that the bearer still ages but in such a way that is would not be distinctively noticeable within a normal lifetime. Certainly Golum whilst in possession of the ring aged and became changed (corrupted) but this took a lot longer that the 60 or so years between the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings, so even allowing for a slight change in appearance during that time Bilbo would not have changed much if at all, even Gandalf commented on it "You havent aged a day"

So without major Lore breaking I cant see how it would be possible to maintain any sort of continuity between the Hobbit movies and the Lord of the Rings movies by hiring someone much younger than Ian Holm (if he cannot come back).
Im sure if he where to come back they would be able to make him appear younger (as they did in the flashback to when the ring was discovered in Golum's Cave).

Personally making such a huge error or lore change by hiring someone much younger would be a deal breaker for me


Artanis
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May 29 2008, 2:40pm

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I didn't realize Daniel Radcliffe was the Harry Potter chap. Oh goodness me no Shocked . I haven't seen any of his films but his features are just too sharp, wheras Ian Holm and that James McAvoy have sort of soft/gentle features. I haven't heard or seen the other chap mentioned, and although I agree about not getting too exited about these names been thrown around, it is sort of fun....but thats just meCrazy.

One thing I do agree with is that somewhere on this site you were all discussing how horrid it would be to cast a supposed "celebrity" in the big parts of The Hobbit...such as Tom Cruise etc.Laugh. It makes me feel ill to think of them casting a supposed "star" in one of those precious roles.Frown

Artanis


jglonek
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May 29 2008, 2:42pm

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I'm so confused about this whole idea of casting someone new, and younger, to play Bilbo.

The whole idea of the ring, and of Gandolf's comment of "You haven't aged a day!" mentioned above is the fact that Bilbo in the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring is supposed to be exactly the same as when he found the ring in the first place!

It will not make sense at all if Ian Holm does not play Bilbo again, in my opinion.


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May 29 2008, 2:50pm

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And would you [In reply to] Can't Post

have believed that the Bilbo at the beginning of FotR was only 35-40 in human terms, considering the different lifespans of Men and Hobbits? AFAIK Ian Holm was made younger for the flashback in the cave, but to me he looked too old even then, and it would not work well (and be too expensieve) to do that through a whole movie.

Plus, you have to realise that *Bilbo* may not have aged, but *Ian* has! Until they start filming, there have been over 10 years gone by since he played Bilbo.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Unspoken_Request
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May 29 2008, 2:52pm

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Black and Radcliffe? That must be a joke! [In reply to] Can't Post

This whole thing is very low on credibility simply because of these two names.

How could the audience see past Jack Black and Daniel Radcliffe's previous roles? It's impossible. No one in their right mind would chose them.

Jack Black!?!?!?!?!?! I can't believe they would be that stupid. I like the guy, but come on! He can't play Bilbo!!?? Any appearance of Jack Black in anything related to LOTR will instantly remind me of his MTV stunt with Sarah Michelle Gellar where the ring is attached to Black's private parts (easter egg FOTR:EE).
No director would choose Black. This would make the whole project a big farce. Can you imagine the headlines? "The guy who had the One Ring attached to his penis on MTV will be playing Bilbo..."

Now, Radcliffe is Harry Potter!!!! He can't have the first role in another fantasy tale without the audience seeing Harry Potter first. Radcliffe would have the odds stacked against him. He would have to pull out an incredible performance for the audience to forget the last 6 or 7 Harry Potter movies he will have played in once The Hobbit is released. Kids would expect him to pull out a wand and transform the ring into HP's famous cloak of invisibility... Too distracting.

You can't have these kind of reknown actors closely associated to pop culture into the movies!!! If you want to immerse people into Middle Earth, you can't cast such actors.

On James McAvoy: He seems a bit to thin for my taste (even compared to Elijah he seems to have a more slender build) but despite that he would be a good choice. His face has both innocence and a capacity for wonder that would work for Bilbo (as he discover the world outside the shire).


SeanDuff
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May 29 2008, 2:52pm

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I think Bilbo should be age appropriate. Older but not as old as LOTR.

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merklynn
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May 29 2008, 2:58pm

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I don't seriously believe either Radcliffe or Black are being considered, or that they could ever possibly pull off such a role. Radcliffe (IMO guys) can not act, and Black is not much better outside of comedy. McAvoy however, whether he is really being considered or not, is top class. He is an oscar worthy actor and he has a Hobbit/Bilbo look about him that I think would be magical. I realize the immediate complaint will probably be, "oh he's too young", but big deal.. he's a Hobbit and we know timelines may get skewed for the film anyway.

I'm all in favor of McAvoy, as poor old Martin Freeman is probably going to be stigmatized as a comic actor for the rest of his life. Too bad Hitchhikers Guide did so poorly otherwise he might have gained enough exposure by now through a second film to start making a bigger career in Hollywood. He deserves it. But McAvoy is definitely an inspired choice and I am 100% behind the idea.

Now the question is for me, did PJ and GDt ever really say or suggest this to anyone, or is this all made up? It did come from a British Newspaper as a source, and that is not good credentials. Already people are buying into the Times article about Christopher Tolkien and snowballing the misinformation. I hate that sort of thing.

Go McAvoy!


FarFromHome
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May 29 2008, 3:00pm

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Bilbo in my mind would appear roughly the same age as he did in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.



In FotR, Gandalf is clearly surprised that Bilbo hasn't "aged a day". But it's not 60 years since he saw him - even the hobbit children recognize Gandalf, so he must have visited at least every few years.

Here's what may be more likely - the Ring has started to grow stronger over the last few years, and so Bilbo's natural aging has suddenly slowed down. That may be what's so surprising to Gandalf. He's used to seeing Bilbo age naturally - in fact this may be one of the things that has reassured him that Bilbo's ring isn't dangerous. Now he's surprised and worried because Bilbo's natural aging process has stopped.

If Bilbo's aging process had stopped right away after he found the ring, Gandalf would have been surprised a long time before this.


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May 29 2008, 3:03pm

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Bilbo in my mind would appear roughly the same age as he did in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.



In FotR, Gandalf is clearly surprised that Bilbo hasn't "aged a day". But it's not 60 years since he saw him - even the hobbit children recognize Gandalf, so he must have visited at least every few years.



Actually ok that does make sense, the Hobbit children are happy to see him and I think that even Frodo mentions that the townsfolk has come up with a name for Gandolf right? So it would be safe to assume he has visited in the years since Bilbo found the ring.

But that's also only really noticeable if you look deeper in the story. Gandolf's comment of "You haven't aged a day!" definitely seems to be directly related to when he found the ring at first glance.


RangerGirl
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May 29 2008, 3:13pm

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McAvoy belongs in this movie [In reply to] Can't Post

OK, I always thought McAvoy would be a good Bard. He's who I had in my mind when reading the book, but having him as Bilbo wouldn't bother me one bit.

But McAvoy does have the hobbity hair.


leo
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May 29 2008, 3:20pm

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Sounds like a load of rubbish to me... [In reply to] Can't Post

Though I am sure they might be considering McAvoy, the other choices just sound too easy. And besides, both GDT and PJ said we wouldn't get any gossip on this for at least a year. I doubt this is a very well grounded rumor then...


leo
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May 29 2008, 3:21pm

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I still think you should play Bilbo calisuri... [In reply to] Can't Post

You are definitely small enough :P


Voorhas
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May 29 2008, 3:22pm

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This is Total Hogwash... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and reads more like Ain't It Cool fan-casting to me ("Bruce Campbell should play Superman, Iron Man, Batman, the rebooted Indiana Jones, Mark Twain, Abraham Lincoln, etc., etc.").

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Earl
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May 29 2008, 3:24pm

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Heh heh... Calisuri for Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

How cute, we should start a TORn exclusive petition Wink

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luvgabe
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May 29 2008, 3:49pm

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Radcliffe as Bilbo? [In reply to] Can't Post

Have the anti-Daniel Radcliffe people seen December Boys? He was really quite good in that movie and was in no way evocative of Harry Potter. But I do tend to agree with the skeptics on this forum. Radcliffe is too identified with the Harry Potter role to be believable as Bilbo.

Jack Black as Bilbo would make the whole thing into a farce. Where are other short-to-medium-height talented actors? The Lord of the Rings trilogy struck a gold mine with hobbit actors, such as Elijah Wood. Certainly there must be more viable candidates for The Hobbit than the three names floated thus far!

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Artanis
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May 29 2008, 3:51pm

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On narniaweb.com [In reply to] Can't Post

it says that film bosses are close to signing James McAvoy Laugh. I think it is a matter of waiting till PJ and GDT confirm themselves....like its less than a week ago since they said it would be a year till they announed anyone, and all these ghastly "celeb" sites seem to be quoting from the chat last week.Crazy

Nonetheless I am warming to McAvoy as Bilbo...and having to use my imagination a little with regards to his age etc.Wink

Also the luvgabe above is right....all those "unknown" actors that were a perfect fit for their characters..........there really must be others around like the previous poster said

Artanis

(This post was edited by Artanis on May 29 2008, 3:55pm)


deej
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May 29 2008, 3:57pm

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Although Bilbo may not have aged that much, Sir Ian Holm has. [In reply to] Can't Post

They might be able to do what they did in 'LotR' with the facelift tape and makeup, but would Sir Ian want to go through all of that for a much longer period of time?


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grammaboodawg
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May 29 2008, 4:08pm

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hmmmm... Jack Black or Daniel? [In reply to] Can't Post

Nope. Ain't gonna happen, nohow.

McAvoy? *scratches chin* More likely than the other 2 as a possible candidate. Most of the time, names become more prominent because they're passed on from an original observation/prediction and then spread out making them seem more credible.

No. Mr. Black and Mr. Radcliffe are so not right for this "everyman" part.



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May 29 2008, 4:09pm

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I'm going to have to "trust PJ"... [In reply to] Can't Post

cause NONE of these work for this role, to me. Hugh Bonneville, whom someone suggested in the other Bilbo casting thread, would be absolutely perfect. He looks like a younger Sir Ian, is much less high- profile than any of those other excellent- acting but inappropriate choices . And he can act very well, too.

Hanging out with the Lonely Isle elves.

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grammaboodawg
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May 29 2008, 4:10pm

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"The Studios" should have caught on by now [In reply to] Can't Post

that when it comes to Peter and Fran for casting... it's best to go out for an extended lunch and leave them the blazes alone!



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Elven
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May 29 2008, 4:11pm

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so this is just a fake then ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink bwahaha!!!


Id give credit where credit is due, but Im not sure of the source ...




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Russell Crowe for Beorn!!



grammaboodawg
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May 29 2008, 4:13pm

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type cast already. At ORC. He already has firmly planted an image in my mind that I could never shake off... Though, he does look good in red.



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Rivendweller
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May 29 2008, 4:30pm

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With a 2-Part Deathly Hallows waiting to be filmed [In reply to] Can't Post

I am sure Radcliffe is far too busy remaining Harry Potter.

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sherlock
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May 29 2008, 4:40pm

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I agree that Martin Freeman looks more like a hobbit but I'm not sure of his acting abilities. James McAvoy, however, has been great in everything I've seen him in. This could work.


Elven
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May 29 2008, 4:46pm

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Were off to Hobbiton finally!

Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!



Darkstone
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May 29 2008, 4:50pm

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Can't be any worse than Elijah Wood. [In reply to] Can't Post

Pubescent pretty boy Wood was most definitely not Frodo. But he did do quite well in the role. I suppose any of those three would do the same for a similarly non-Bilbo Bilbo.

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Patty
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May 29 2008, 4:54pm

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Hey, Elven.... [In reply to] Can't Post

it's not Friday fiesta time yet!Laugh

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merklynn
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May 29 2008, 4:58pm

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He's rubbish! j/k [In reply to] Can't Post

I haven't seen Radcliffe in anything other than David Copperfield and Harry Potter. In Potter I personally think he brings nothing to the role that a piece of cardboard would not bring. He's flat as Potter for me (but I find the character a whiney Mary Stu anyway). Just an opinion. *throws hands in the air like Simon Cowell*


merklynn
Lorien


May 29 2008, 5:01pm

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Makeup that was put on him 9 years ago! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, but the scene that Holm filmed for the prologue's flashback was filmed in 1999-2000. He is 76 years old now. Ten years older. I personally thought even the makeup they did for him in the prologue made him look like he was on the sunset side of middle-aged. So it woudl be even less effective or convincing now. Holm is unfortunately too old now.


Elven
Valinor


May 29 2008, 5:03pm

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Rats! :D ... puts little umbrella and swizle stick back in cabinet ... 24 hours to go ... :D // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Were off to Hobbiton finally!

Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
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Oscarilbo
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May 29 2008, 5:42pm

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I won`t belive it...at least not yet. =) [In reply to] Can't Post

Remember when Gandafl says to Bilbo: you haven`t aged a day...
I think that sentence will have an important resonance in the matter of finding the right Bilbo...Its important not only a good actor could fill Holme`s shoes in terms of acting, but also visually, maybe with a little of make-up work or a lot of it, but in the end a very Ian Holme look-alike Bilbo.... "You haven`t aged a day" must be feel genuine.

....and I`m sure PJ and GDT have all this in mind Wink


Eowyn of Penns Woods
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May 29 2008, 5:54pm

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That would be required reading [In reply to] Can't Post

and consumption if I thought for even one minute that Jack Black or Wizard Boy were seriously considered for the role.
And I don't imbibe. Never have. =)


Daeferedir
The Shire

May 29 2008, 6:00pm

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Good choice but… [In reply to] Can't Post

If this can be verified.. it is by my humble opinion an excellent choice; however he is also rumored to take over Tobey Maguire in the fourth installment of spiderman; his film list is also showing a confirmed role in the in The Last Station, based on the 1990 novel by Jay Parini and filming now.


check this form wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McAvoy

But then again to a stage and movie actor like him, an offer like this...


Rosie-with-the-ribbons
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May 29 2008, 6:13pm

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True [In reply to] Can't Post

I always said this. Bilbo should be looking a few years younger than in the LOTR, but definitely not as young as for instance Frodo. So all those younger actors, they wouldn't look the part. An actor somewhere in his forties or fifties would fit.
And as I read somewhere else, definitely not some really famous actor, yeeks, (Tom Cruise as Bilbo, I wouldn't even bother going to look any more). That just wouldn't fit. In other movies, a big star could play the lead-role, but I truly believe that an unknown/less known actor would fit much better in this lead role. The famous actors could be behind all the make-up of the dwarves Wink !


Nerwen Altáriel
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May 29 2008, 6:15pm

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that's not true! [In reply to] Can't Post

This must be a joke! Jack Black? no way!! the "harry potter" boy? nonsense!!

James Mcvoy doesn't look like a young Ian Holm haha! maybe with make up ... I don't know ... someone said Hugh Bonneville, well ... he looks like Ian, but .. he´s SO tall that it's difficult to think him as a hobbit Tongue

I would like to see some unknown (but good) actor playing Bilbo. I hope PJ and GdT find him


Messenjah
The Shire


May 29 2008, 6:18pm

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How can anyone take this seriously? Ha [In reply to] Can't Post

There's no way they would even consider Jack Black to play Bilbo, that's just beyond silly.

And I hope it isn't James McAvoy, I just find him very boring and uninteresting for the role.


Jazmine
Tol Eressea


May 29 2008, 6:20pm

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A source? [In reply to] Can't Post

That's not too specific! I wouldn't read too much into Daniel Radcliffe or Jack Black. I do love JB, but he's certainly no Bilbo. And I'm sure GDT and PJ are aware of that! Be prepared for alot of speculation over the coming months- not all of it accurate or well-sourced!


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KateTheHobbit
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May 29 2008, 6:26pm

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Oh dear... [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe I shouldn't even bother with this, since it really must be taken with a half-ton of salt. But... woah. Jack Black? I'm not even gonna comment on that... nothing against him really, but he's just NOT in any way, shape, or form anything CLOSE to Bilbo! (ok, I guess I did just comment on that. Laugh) Daniel Radcliffe isn't much better.

I guess I could content myself with James McAvoy. I've seen him in a few things, and I think he's a good, capable actor who could very likely fit into a role of "Hobbitness". BUT, he's not Ian Holm. I don't think anyone can ever match up to Ian Holm, and even if they do get someone who looks like him it's going to feel like a big discrepancy.


maut
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May 29 2008, 6:28pm

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Well... but no! [In reply to] Can't Post

I dont like him playing bilbo. I still would like to see mr. Holm. Though he is rather old I believe that he is best bilbo I can imagine.Computer can do some "miracles" you know

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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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May 29 2008, 6:31pm

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It is much easier [In reply to] Can't Post

for the makeup crew to make a young actor appear older than to make an older actor appear younger.
Making an older actor believably appear much younger would require divine intervention...or a really good plastic surgeon.
Yes, digital retouching is possible sometimes, but too time-consuming and expensive.
Sorry, but that's the facts as I know 'em.


Patty
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May 29 2008, 6:33pm

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So you don't think forced perspective and fancy camera-work... [In reply to] Can't Post

would do the trick with Hugh Bonneville?

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Lunamoth
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May 29 2008, 6:35pm

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To add to that... [In reply to] Can't Post

I love how so many people are insistent that Ian Holm plays Bilbo in the Hobbit, yet he was Frodo in the LOTR radio play. And I saw no complaints like "I can't imagine anyone else's voice coming from Frodo!"


Patty
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May 29 2008, 6:37pm

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In addition to that... [In reply to] Can't Post

Sir Ian may not be up to the riggers of carrying the whole film. Not just his age, but he has been ill in the fairly recent past, I believe.

Yes, too bad. Cause I would have loved to see him back, too. If he narrates beginning and end I guess I could content myself. But not with McAvoy. Let him stand on a box and be Bard!Laugh

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bowencm
Rivendell

May 29 2008, 6:47pm

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Jack Black...?...*gag* [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd be watching this movie through coke bottles if Black is cast as Bilbo...no offense but dear God and baby Jesus, it would ruin a classic for me two-fold: the movie AND the book...I won't be able to scrub the image out of my head when I go back to read it.


Aryawen
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May 29 2008, 6:48pm

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Radcliffe?!?! [In reply to] Can't Post

Dan Radcliffe......... i would die. i hope they never seriously considered him... that would def. be a shame. And i dont really mind if Holm isnt Bilbo because i imagined a younger face. and as for McAvoy, im not sure. he will look cute as a hobbit. but The Hobbit? i dont know...


Eowyn of Penns Woods
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May 29 2008, 6:51pm

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*heh* I kept waiting [In reply to] Can't Post

for somebody to say "Can't they just dig up those molds...casts...things they did of the actors before, and put an Ian-Bilbo mask on a stunt double?" =)


Marionette
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May 29 2008, 7:02pm

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Jack Black? XD [In reply to] Can't Post

James Mc Avoy is OK, but he doesn´t look like a young Ian Holm, I think BIlbo should be played by an actor who looks like Ian Holm young.
Even Billy Boyd look better for a young Bilbo.

I don´t find Jack Black suitable as Bilbo, probably a sone of the Dwarves, or one of the Trolls.
What a bout Bilbo´s trolls? they should be in the movie

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vtboyarc
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May 29 2008, 7:02pm

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please no! [In reply to] Can't Post

no harry potter and no narnia fauns in Middle-earth! please! these actors are too well established as other characters

Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.


tolkienfanatic
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May 29 2008, 7:06pm

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Decent, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

McAvoy did an excellent job as Leto II in SciFi Channel's adaptation of Dune, I think he could do well as Bilbo. I would certainly much rather have him over Radcliffe.

That being said, Sir Ian Holm's is the only person I truly want to play Bilbo.


sabastian
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May 29 2008, 7:11pm

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You are right...IAN HOLM needs to be Bilbo! [In reply to] Can't Post

I’m not one to post on forums such as these but it is a huge disappointment to not see IAN HOLM play Bilbo. Gandalf states in the FOTR that Bilbo "hadn’t aged a day". How is this going to make nay sense in the continuity of things? To have someone else play Bilbo is in my opinion not only foolish but terribly disappointing. It can’t be an age thing because Bilbo is supposed to be 51 at the time of the Hobbit. So what is the problem?. IAN HOLM needs to be Bilbo---plain and simple. I will boycott the film if some one of the likes of Shia LeBeouf does Bilbo. I can still see him swinging through the trees in the latest Indiana Jones film. What a dummy.


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


May 29 2008, 7:22pm

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It's time for us all to move on from Ian Holm [In reply to] Can't Post

Ian Holm is not going to play Bilbo. We know this. GdT and PJ have said this without any wiggle room. I'm sorry but it's over. I thnk we'd all love it if The Hobbit had been filmed 10 years ago (or even 5) when it might have been possible. But for various reasons he won't be back.

It's time to move out of Denial and Anger and get on with our grieving.

The Seven Stages of Grief (interesting how they seem to apply to The Hobbit casting):
  • Denial (this isn't happening to me!)
  • Anger (why is this happening to me?)
  • Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)
  • Depression (I don't care anymore)
  • Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)




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nimthiriel
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May 29 2008, 7:45pm

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Let's move on people:) [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree with Arwen...
It's time to move on!!!
I too love Ian Holm, he will always be my favourite Bilbo.
BUT I have to agree with the motion of "no wizards and no Narnia fauns in Middle earth."
There is a huge world of unknown actors out there!
and I know, we know, very few of them ( can that explain why we can't come up with a dozen
names to play Bilbo?)
anyways, the people in charge of casting know them, let's hope do their job well. We have to
rely on dear PJ and now GDT, and Phillipa ect. to deliver the best casting, just as they
did with LotR.
Sir Ian will always be in our memories and hearts:) snif snif
Let's embrace the new Bilbo!!
Let's forget about Radcliffe and fauns (I love McAvoy as an actor, he is really good)
let's forget we even heard about Jack Black (Nacho Libre as Bilbo??? not in my lifetime please!)
Let's hope for the best, and have a second breakfast or luncheon in Sir Holm's honor:)
PLease PJ-GDT: surprise us like you always have!!!!!


deej
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May 29 2008, 7:45pm

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Exactly - and maybe Sir Ian doesn't even want to do it. [In reply to] Can't Post

Given his poor health and the demands of the role - not to mention him having to travel to NZ, he may not want to reprise his role unless it's as a narrator. Which he could record where ever he lives. GDT did say that they want Sir Ian to be a part of this in some way, and I think that would be a nice touch.


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Guillermo
Rivendell

May 29 2008, 7:48pm

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We're not being coy- [In reply to] Can't Post

Casting is not closed... at all- we will not choose casting until after we finish the scripts. Period.

So, no- No talks are bound to take place with any actor to play Bilbo in the near future. Pages come first.

Some of the stuff reported there is just a tad too insane...

Best

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greendragon
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May 29 2008, 7:51pm

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total Hogwarts, did you say? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Nienna
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May 29 2008, 7:51pm

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Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

Well that news has been a poor start to my day.
Jack Black and Daniel Radcliffe - please, no way!
James McAvoy - while he would my choice of the three, I've seen him in too many movies lately - I'd be thinking "Oh look at McAvoy playing Bilbo".
I want someone like Sir Ian - with him it was "Oh look at Bilbo"!


Arwen's daughter
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May 29 2008, 7:54pm

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Thank you for that! [In reply to] Can't Post

As you've seen, we'll all be waiting eagerly when you are ready to start casting. Smile



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FrodoEyes
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May 29 2008, 7:55pm

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No fear! [In reply to] Can't Post

I wouldn't worry, this IS the Daily Express we're talking about!

In Reply To
and no middle aged hobbit. If it's true that Radcliffe is being considered, I dare to ask, what the heck are PJ and GDT thinking? Pirate

I'd like to think PJ and GDT can't have seriously considered him for this part... they must've made some passing remark that's been taken out of context (since any Hobbit news is big news these days).

I can't wait for Friday's issue of Empire magazine to see what else the interview with GDT reveals.



Nienna
Rohan


May 29 2008, 7:58pm

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Thank you! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for your reassurance. It stopped me sobbing into my weetbix!


nimthiriel
The Shire


May 29 2008, 8:01pm

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His Voice [In reply to] Can't Post

I would love to hear Sir Ian's voice in the movie.

Put Sir Ian Holm as narrator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We must have him some way or another:)


xy
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May 29 2008, 8:01pm

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choices so far [In reply to] Can't Post

I doubt Jack Black is a serious consideration, and Daniel Radcliffe is way to busy with the Potter movies until 2011.

Ideally I'd say bring back Ian Holm ("you haven't aged a day" ) but if for any reason he can't I won't mind a younger actor either (as long as he will have a physical similarity to Holm, since they both play the same character). It's good that PJ and GDT had the same idea for the actor and hopefully it's as perfect as Ian McKellen was for Gandalf - and it had better be a better Bilbo than Elijah Wood's Frodo.


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sabastian
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May 29 2008, 8:03pm

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Senor Del Toro [In reply to] Can't Post

Senor Del Toro

Yo entiendo que deces pero favor de pensar bien de Ian Holm. El debes de ser Bilbo. Tu sabes que el charecter solamente tienes 51 anos el empezar de El Hobbit. No se si el estas enfermo y no lo puedes ser---esto lo comprendo. Pero si no...darle lo que queras! Imaginate Gandalf sin el otro Ian. Esto es lo mismo.

Gracias para oir mi voz.


Kangi Ska
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May 29 2008, 8:07pm

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Age [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo was 50 in the Hobbit. Frodo was 50 in Fellowship of the Rings. Much of this discussion is a moot point.

Kangi Ska


tattooed_dwarf
Rivendell


May 29 2008, 8:14pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin freeman would be mine number one choice too. But if they end up casting McAvoy, i won't mind, he's great actor.


nimthiriel
The Shire


May 29 2008, 8:19pm

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I Agree [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree with Freeman as the most Hobbit/Bilbo like face and McAvoy being a great actor.
But we have time!!! Can't we come up with more and great actors?
We don't make desitions but surely we have a voice...Don't we??Crazy
even if we don't...it's fun and this is the time to speculate and be picky Tongue
Ha! so, let's get on with it and have fun!!!!


Nerwen Altáriel
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May 29 2008, 8:20pm

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GdT have spoken! [In reply to] Can't Post

A minutes ago he already said that nothing is closed about the cast and they will do it after finish the script, so calm down fellows!

And one more thing: Ian Holm can't do the entire movie!!!!! please, understand that!!

We have to be confident. PJ (and team) have picked the right Merry, Pippin, Sam (and Bilbo) so it can be done again with the young Bilbo, I mean, we didn't know anything about Sean Austin (for instance) until we saw him in LOTR, the same thing could happen here, as someone already said, the world is full of good (and unknown) actors who can play Bilbo, let them (PJ, GdT an team) find him.


Eledhwen
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May 29 2008, 8:22pm

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Well, that's reassuring [In reply to] Can't Post

Who needs random unknown sources when there's the TORN messageboards anyway? Thanks!

Figwit Still Lives!/



Calling for a Figwit cameo in The Hobbit since May 2008

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merklynn
Lorien


May 29 2008, 8:41pm

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Why do people even think Ian Holm could do it? [In reply to] Can't Post

This is exactly right. Its time to move on. Not only does it make no sense that Ian Holm could play Bilbo for the majority of the film, but PJ and GDT have outright said it is going to be someone else and Holm will be used in some other way. It seems a pretty fair assumption that Holm will or may be narrating the opening and closing of the film.

My wife is one of the "only Ian Holm can be Bilbo" people. The one thing that puzzles me is why people think Ian Holm could play a nearly 30 year younger version of himself. There are no believable make up or visual FX for this currently and even what is out there (like the horrible younger Magneto in X-Men 3) are unconvincing and expensive. Doing that for a whole movie to the lead actor is simply ridiculous and not going to happen.

The key here is that Ian Holm already looked old even in the prologue which was filmed 9 years ago! Why then will he be able to play Bilbo in The Hobbit now that he is 76 years old (9 years older than when he first donned the youthing makeup). Personally I think he looked weird with dark hair and wrinkles. Imagine how he would look now. Ridiculous and unconvincing.

I just find it bizarre that anyone can seriously think Ian Holm can play the younger Bilbo at this stage. I wish he could, I really do, but reality sucks sometimes.

I do think McAvoy would do well as Bilbo, but since GDT has already dispelled what is nothing but another ridiculous rumor from British tabloids (worst papers in the world) I think there is still hope for the relatively unknown Martin Freeman to bring his quiet charm to the role of Bilbo. :-D

Otherwise, I hope GDT surprises us with an inspired choice.

BTW: I think GDT is casting Ron Perlman for Beorn, not Thorin as suggested on tORNs main page. Perlman's role as the Beast in Beauty and the Beast, and also GDTs mentioning of his interest in the shape changing character seem like an obvious connection, more so than Thorin. Beorn just seems more like Perlman's sort of character.


(This post was edited by merklynn on May 29 2008, 8:43pm)


Guillermo
Rivendell

May 29 2008, 8:44pm

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Yup- [In reply to] Can't Post

When its a fact- You'll hear it from me first- and, very likely, right here.

Bilbo is an incredibly dificult and taxing part to cast, physically exhausting- appearing in every scene of the HOBBIT film and a large portion of the second and exposed to elements, brutal travelling, inclement scheduling, etc, etc There's no two ways about it-

Keep that in mind.

Yr Obt Svt

GDT


Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


May 29 2008, 8:46pm

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Ah! The rumours! [In reply to] Can't Post

Remember just a year ago we would have a Sam Raimi Hobbit without Jackson's involvement whatsoever, and Bob Shaye in charge of the movie?

Need I say more?

Radcliffe is a no no, I assure you... you can't have a Potter be a Baggins, as a Gandalf was wise enough not to become a Dumbledore.

Jack Black? That has been said before, and dates back to a 2005 King Kong interview where Jack Black says Peter Jackson told him (late at night after bar night), that he would be Bilbo. It appered in Empire, Vanity Fair or one of those big magazines.

McAvoy I can see. He looks like a Hobbit. And we know he would appear in fantasy... he has also been mentioned since day minus 3. Even though he is another Mr. Darcy, and I believe someone (sorry, don't recall who) here says it would be weird to see Mr. Darcy (Colin Firth) as Mr. Baggins.

Martin Freeman has troubles telling a hobbit apart from a troll... http://moviesblog.mtv.com/...-ride-to-the-hobbit/ but that can be fixed.

Come on! Del Toro comes out and says they have someone in mind and the next day the name comes out... I don't think so.

Ah! The days of a Raimi-Shaye SpiderHobbit with an entirely new cast, since everyone would remain absolutely loyal to the shunned Jackson...!

I believe we should wait the year Guillermo said we would need to wait. Wink

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!

(This post was edited by Compa_Mighty on May 29 2008, 8:50pm)


MrCere
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May 29 2008, 8:47pm

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Personally, I don't believe it at all [In reply to] Can't Post

I think this is an unsubstantiated rumor started by an agent or an internet hit seeker.

PERHAPS the studio was thinking about one of these names (Warners does like Potter) but I don't for a second think this is the short list for Bilbo.

I have no choice but to believe in free will.

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The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie




nimthiriel
The Shire


May 29 2008, 8:48pm

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Yes! Pearlman for Beorn [In reply to] Can't Post

I totally agree with that!
It's amazing how some actors are just made for the part, even though Pearlman
is Hellboy, he's also Beast, and so many more! (remember him as a russian spy? which movie was it?)
But I can picture him as Beorn as well, and a very good one.
Maybe he's the kind of actor that dissapears behind the character to make it alive...
Who can do that with Bilbo's character?
that's the one GDT must find!!!!
(sans the makeup of course)

Can't believe Hobbits are back!!


nimthiriel
The Shire


May 29 2008, 8:52pm

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Hello [In reply to] Can't Post

OK!!!
you're back!!! welcome!!!!
thanks for clearing that out!!!!
We were just talking about moving onSmile and looking ahead to the future Bilbo!!

it's an honor to have you in our forum!!!

keep up the good Hobbit Film workWink

Can't believe Hobbits are back!!

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Lunamoth
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May 29 2008, 9:00pm

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Ah! The days of a Raimi-Shaye SpiderHobbit with an entirely new cast, since everyone would remain absolutely loyal to the shunned Jackson...!

Spider Hobbit
Spider Hobbit
Does whatever a Spider Hobbit does
Can he swing from a web?
No he can't, he's a Hobbit
Look ouuuuuuut, here comes the Spider Hobbit


Patty
Immortal


May 29 2008, 9:07pm

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Love your footer there, Eledhwen. [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink

Hanging out with the Lonely Isle elves.


FarFromHome
Valinor


May 29 2008, 9:08pm

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Bilbo is an incredibly dificult and taxing part to cast, physically exhausting



I guess we haven't been taking into account how demanding this part is. Up at 4 am every day to have hobbit feet put on, walking miles in essentially bare feet on rough terrain, or even in the snow. We heard all about it from the LotR hobbits, and there were four of them to share the load!

I guess there's more to playing a hobbit than meets the eye...


...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.


Notallwhowanderarelost
The Shire


May 29 2008, 9:08pm

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Waiting for PJ and GDT [In reply to] Can't Post

My first knee-jerk re-action at the mention of Jack Black was "No! Stab myself in eye'. But then, considering that's not a good idea...I thought about it. I like Jack Black. TBC down page....

James McAvoy is just as pretty as Elijah Wood and if they are going for a pretty Bilbo then let's just go with Reliable Elijah again. James could play another role I'm sure. But since he and Elijah are almost identical in looks I say Elijah deserves the role.Heart

Dan Rad. Just ...no.

SO back to Jack Black.

When I think of Bilbo I think of a Hobbit who is very physical, in spite of just wanting to loaf around and have tea in the first chapter. Bilbo is adventurous and witty, a quick-thinking hobbit always with a snappy come-back and a fine riddle-master. And those things DO sound a LOT like Jack Black! Until this second I never even considered Jack but now...yeah! Jack CAN actually act when he feels like it and I really think he could do this. I COULD sit through six plus hours of watching him as Bilbo..easily. Jack is very entertaining.

So IF they pick Jack then Peej and GDT have GOT to have Elijah back as Frodo in the bridge story. That is if they are going to make me happy. Wink

(This post was edited by Altaira on May 29 2008, 10:06pm)


Notallwhowanderarelost
The Shire


May 29 2008, 9:21pm

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Hello! [In reply to] Can't Post

Oops! Sorry for the double post. I missed your new message up there, GDT!

All right! I love how you are keeping right up with what we are all blithering about over here! Sly

We humbly await YOUR final word on the casting.

This place is SO cool! Cool

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Artanis
Rohan


May 29 2008, 9:51pm

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I am [In reply to] Can't Post

very impressed Cool that GDT would take the time to post something here. It certainly didn't sit right to have had that chat night just last week with him and PJ, and then for a week later to be getting a different story from the "media" Crazy . It would have lowered my opinion immensely to be treated like a bunch of teens being told one thing one week and something else another.................even if we do act like teens with all this "blithering" as the previous poster put!!!! Wink

Artanis


Luinil
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May 29 2008, 9:55pm

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Holm and McAvoy [In reply to] Can't Post

I can imagine McAvoy as a hobbit, probably because of the influence of LotR and the four main hobbits who all had rather boyish looks. But as Bilbo, he would be very young! He's not even thirty, right? I can't say much else about him, because I've only seen him briefly in the first Narnia movie.

I am only beginning to accept the idea that we'll have to let someone other than Ian Holm play this part. He made an impression in FotR that was wonderful and will be hard to let go of. Unsure


Jborman9
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May 29 2008, 10:08pm

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I think the 'McAvoy is Bilbo' story is more wishful thinking that got a huge jumpstart. That's not to say he'd be a bad choice. He looks relatively like a younger Bilbo.

Those thinking Holm can still do it: Are you joking? In FOTR's flashback to the cave, Holm looked, well...to paraphrase W.S. Gilbert's lyric in Trial by Jury. 'He could very well pass for forty-three in the dark with a light behind him.' Simply put, he was way too old then and was put in there for continuity only. It would've made no sense at the time for them to hire someone else for that ten second clip. Now he's ten years older and you seriously think even CGI's going to make it work?

McAvoy has been in an awful lot of stuff lately. I think he could work - the things he's been in have been greatly varied, so no one will be likely to think of him as just one character - but it's a bit early to count on it.

Jack Black was my pick, actually, and the amount of people against this idea is surprising. I thought people actually had some understanding of acting. Amazingly enough, Jack Black can act serious roles and personally, I think he would do a great job 'if' he played it straight.

Radcliffe brings too much baggage along as Harry Potter. He'll never be cast for that reason alone.


beleg
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May 29 2008, 10:13pm

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Martin Freeman still the best choice [In reply to] Can't Post

This is my very first posting on this site, although I am an everyday reader of it! I joined the forum because I think it's great that GDT checks up on what y'all are saying, and if he happens to check this thread out a second time, I hope he sees what's written for some extra food for thought.

Martin Freeman, in my mind, is the best recommendation I've heard yet. He's a believable age for Bilbo, and if Hitchhiker's Guide is any indication, he'll be able to do the befuddled-shock-and-awe-underdog-who-eventually-steps-up-to-the-plate better than just about anyone.

The key element is that the ring preserves Bilbo, so even if he starts out "fresher" before his trials, he still can't be that young *looking* (as compared the main hobbits of LOTR). If you do the math in the LOTR appendices, you will see that Frodo and Bilbo were approximately the same ages when they started out on their quests. But Sir Ian Holm set the stage (as far as Bilbo's look went), so why not keep a little film continuity?

James McAvoy is a great actor, I've enjoyed all of his work that I've seen so far. But my vote's for Martin Freeman, for what it's worth. And judging by the fact that GDT actually checks up on what we're all saying...I'd like to think our opinions are actually worth something!


N.E. Brigand
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May 29 2008, 10:18pm

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Bare feet? [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe only from Hobbiton to Rivendell.

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Notallwhowanderarelost
The Shire


May 29 2008, 10:31pm

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Not really blithering [In reply to] Can't Post

I tend to post things that sound fine to me and I assume everyone will get it and know are just my wacky humor. I am often wrong.Blush

Sorry.

It's just that we are all getting so excited about this project it's almost like the good old days pre- the LOTR films.
I was here through all that too though I probably had a different name.

We all get our own ideas about what we would like to see and get as caught up in the fun as Pippin in a cake sale.

If I was a Hobbit I would definitely be a Took no matter how much I'd rather be a Baggins.


sabastian
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May 29 2008, 10:38pm

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Your probably right [In reply to] Can't Post

I, like your wife am an Ian Holm fan. but if someone who looks like Ian Holm...I.E. Martin Freeman, That would be acceptable.


Sunflower
Valinor

May 29 2008, 10:48pm

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AMEN. [In reply to] Can't Post

My theory is: there are one of three things going on here.

1) PJ, GDT and Crew are deliberately sowing misinformation to keep both the Studio and the fans off track (I'd believe this might be GDT's idea, giving how easily we guessed the Riddle;)

2) People are right, and the media have gone to a Warner's "source" and found out who the studio is floating around, and reported on that;

3)And Warner's is:

a) putting pressure on them to accept their choice of actor, or
b) HOPEFULLY finding out that PJ and GDT's contract giving them final cut and first choice on everything is not a sop thrown to them to get the project moving at the time, but REAL.

Hopefuly this is not the start of a battle between the studio and the "talent." They can't push Our People around. Laugh


Deagols_Bane
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May 29 2008, 11:02pm

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I still say that Sylvester McCoy would be a great Bilbo! [In reply to] Can't Post

For those who don't know, he played Doctor Who back in the late 80s. He's now 65 years old, about the same age as Ian Holm when they did the trilogy. Maybe that's older than what PJ and GDT are looking for, but I really think he could pull it off with the right makeup and direction from GDT. He even looks a lot like Ian Holm did at that age!

I for one hope they don't go with an actor that is younger just to get the young crowd to buy tickets. I think they flubbed a bit with Elijah Wood being too young for the part (though he did a great job, regardless.)

Anyway, check out the photo or Google Sylvester McCoy's name and see for yourself!Smile


sabastian
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May 29 2008, 11:05pm

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Your right. he wouldnt be a bad choice. He does look like Sir Holm.


Woodyend
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May 29 2008, 11:13pm

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I think whoever plays Bilbo needs to have very large eyes. I found it interesting that they all wanted the same person to play Bilbo.
http://tennant.spot-design.net/...ennantBW_preview.jpg

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Deagols_Bane
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May 29 2008, 11:16pm

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I also forgot to mention . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

that Sylvester McCoy also just did a play with Ian McKellan in England recently. I'm not sure what the part was, something like a court jester or fool of some sort. But since they already know each other, why not pair them up again as Gandalf and Bilbo??

Also, I read somewhere recently that Sylvester had been considered at one point to play Bilbo when they were casting for the trilogy. But they went with Ian Holm instead, which was their first choice. So it would only make sense for them to go with Sylvester this time around! Wink


Elven
Valinor


May 29 2008, 11:29pm

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That sits well with me ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Nice one Deagols Bane Wink


Were off to Hobbiton finally!

Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!



Elven
Valinor


May 29 2008, 11:33pm

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Thankyou! [In reply to] Can't Post

.. for reiterating that ... Smile

Cheers Elven


Were off to Hobbiton finally!

Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!



thesithempire
Rivendell

May 29 2008, 11:41pm

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Two Words: Martin Freeman [In reply to] Can't Post

That's all that needs to be said and the only name that needs to be on Guillermo, Peter, Fran and Phillepa's lips.

I'll say it again:

Martin Freeman IS Bilbo Baggins.

No McAvoy, No Iam Holm (who is ancient), no Radcliffe (that alone makes this whole rumor sound ridiculous), and certainly no Jack Black (which proves this list has no validity)!

Martin Freeman! Say it with me people!


Sunflower
Valinor

May 29 2008, 11:55pm

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Pssst Artanis.... [In reply to] Can't Post

here's a clue, since I see you haven't been on the Boards too long:

if you want to see GDT's other posts on here, go to "View Threaded",(if you're not already on it), and when you have the Threaded list, click on his name and when you are on his Profile page, go down to the lower left and click on "show user's posts" (I think it says.) Believe me, some of us are STILL getting used to the incredible coolness of his posting on TORN! He has had some great things to say!

BTW, what does everyone think of his new quote that Bilbo will be in "a large part" of Film 2? How can this be, if Film 2 --presumably--jumps ahead to the time of Aragorn capturing Gollum? Bilbo is enjoying a peaceful, low-profile existence in the Shire at that point. The mystery deepens!


Elven
Valinor


May 30 2008, 12:26am

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Thankyou Guillermo ... [In reply to] Can't Post

I was afraid I would be reading this somewhere else other than here Smile


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appearing in every scene of the HOBBIT film and a large portion of the second and exposed to elements,

Its nice to hear that Bilbo will have so much exposure over these two films! That I find intruiging and quite awesome and something I was hoping for - very cool!

Cheers Elven


Were off to Hobbiton finally!

Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!



fingolfin_nc
Bree


May 30 2008, 12:52am

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I still feel Hugh Bonneville would be an excellent choice ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... demeaner, acting chops and appearance. Google his website and look at his photo.


Anorien
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May 30 2008, 1:18am

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Choices, choices [In reply to] Can't Post

James McAvoy doesnt sound that bad. It would be interesting to see him as Bilbo. Danielle Radcliffe, no. He doesn't have the right feel about him. He doesn't look like hobbit material. Jack Black doesn't seem right either. So far, McAvoy sounds pretty good. It'll be interesting to see who they pick or if they have any other choices.


jtarkey
Rohan

May 30 2008, 2:39am

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Martin Freeman [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman is BY FAR the best choice. I really don't understand how any fan of the films could want anyone other than him. He is the perfect age, the perfect body type, and from what I can tell from his part in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, he has the perfect personality to play the role. He's not to funny that he cant be serious, and he's not to serious that he can't be funny. I really hope, for the movies sake, that this is the name that both Jackson and Del Toro said at the same time. If they pick someone else, I guess I can respect that. I just think he is such an obvious first choice that if he wasn't cast it would seem almost ignorant.


Silverlode
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May 30 2008, 3:35am

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Those are points I've thought about, and of course it's the most important casting decision for these movies. I look forward to hearing who you choose to play the role.

Thanks for giving us the straight info. From the look of this thread, I think you've saved a few people from heart attacks with this post! WinkLaugh

Silverlode

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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Kelvarhin
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May 30 2008, 3:39am

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Thank you for confirming that [In reply to] Can't Post

did hope that we'd get to hear it "first" here on the boards so it's great to have you letting us know that will happen.

And at least it's stopped me swearing at the screen LOL.

Cheers Kelvarhin x


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Luinil
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May 30 2008, 3:52am

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I actually went back to GDT's post a second time and realized I hadn't noticed that bit (Bilbo having part in F2) the first time. I'm very surprised, after getting the impression that they hadn't decided yet what was going to make it into the second movie! I'm going to have to look at the timeline in the appendices, since I haven't done that in a long while. Curious.


bowencm
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May 30 2008, 4:20am

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How bad a** is it... [In reply to] Can't Post

..that the director of one of the most anticipated films to come jumps on here from time to time and chills out for a bit? Dang ya'll, now that's what I call being grounded...


Woodyend
Gondor


May 30 2008, 4:26am

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Here you go. I did a bit of editing out the births and deaths. [In reply to] Can't Post

Appendix B
The Tale of Years
http://www.kevnet.com:9000/...0TEXT/appendixB.html

Bilbo returns to the Shire with the Ring. Sauron returns in secret to Mordor.

Bard rebuilds Dale and becomes King. Gollum leaves the Mountains and begins his search for the 'thief of the Ring.

Gandalf and Balin visit Bilbo in the Shire.

Sauron declares himself openly and gathers power in Mordor. He begins the rebuilding of Barad-dűr. Gollum turns towards Mordor.

Sauron sends three of the Nazgűl to reoccupy Dol Guldur.

Elrond reveals to 'Estel' his true name and ancestry, and delivers to him the shards of Narsil.

Arwen, newly returned from Lórien, meets Aragorn in the woods of Imladris. Aragorn goes out into the Wild.

Last meeting of the White Council. They debate the Rings. Saruman feigns that he has discovered that the One Ring has passed down Anduin to the Sea.

Saruman withdraws to Isengard, which he takes as his own, and fortifies it Being jealous and afraid of Gandalf he sets spies to watch all his movements; and notes his interest in the Shire. He soon begins to keep agents in Bree and the Southfarthing.

Mount Doom bursts into flame again. The last inhabitants of Ithilien flee over Anduin.

Aragorn meets Gandalf and their friendship begins.

Aragorn undertakes his great journeys and errantries. As Thorongil he serves in disguise both Thengel of Rohan and Ecthelion II of Gondor.

Aragorn enters Lórien and there meets again Arwen Undómiel. Aragorn gives her the ring of Barahir. and they plight their troth upon the hill of Cerin Amroth. About this time Gollum reaches the confines of Mordor and becomes acquainted with Shelob.

Balin leaves Erebor and enters Moria.

Balin perishes, and the dwarf-colony is destroyed.

The shadow of Mordor lengthens. Saruman dares to use the palantír of Orthanc, but becomes ensnared by Sauron, who has the Ithil Stone. He becomes a traitor to the Council. His spies report that the Shire is being closely guarded by the Rangers.

Bilbo's farewell feast Gandalf suspects his ring to be the One Ring. The guard on the Shire is doubled. Gandalf seeks for news of Gollum and calls on the help of Aragorn.

Bilbo becomes a guest of Elrond, and settles in Rivendell. 3004 Gandalf visits Frodo in the Shire. and does so at intervals during the next four years.

In the autumn Gandalf pays his last visit to Frodo.

Gandalf and Aragorn renew their hunt for Gollum at intervals during the next eight years, searching in the vales of Anduin, Mirkwood, and Rhovanion to the confines of Mordor. At some time during these years Gollum himself ventured into Mordor, and was captured by Sauron.

Elrond sends for Arwen. and she returns to Imladris; the Mountains and all lands eastward are becoming dangerous.

Gollum is released from Mordor. He is taken by Aragorn in the Dead Marshes, and brought to Thranduil in Mirkwood.

Gandalf visits Minas Tirith and reads the scroll of Isildur.

May your beer be laid under an enchantment of surpassing excellence for seven years!
~~~~~~~~Gandalf~~~~~~~
Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!


Finding Frodo
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May 30 2008, 4:38am

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Welcome, beleg!

Where's Frodo?


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May 30 2008, 4:42am

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Peredhil lover
Valinor

May 30 2008, 4:59am

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No, it is not. [In reply to] Can't Post

Remember, the Ring slowed down or stopped the aging process. Bilbo was 50, when he got the Ring, halfway through his life. (As Hobbits usually live to be around 100, Men around 70, that's a 35-40 old human). Frodo, on the other hand, was 33 and just coming of age, so probably looked more like a 20-year-old or slightly older. That's a little difference. Frodo had to look younger when he left the Shire than Bilbo did.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Owain
Tol Eressea


May 30 2008, 5:11am

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James McAvoy [In reply to] Can't Post

This has been my personal favorite for Bilbo. He has incredible dramatic ability without going way over the top.

Subtle, deep, with a sensibility for comedy, JM is the only one I can see in the role.

I hope he get's it!


Luinil
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May 30 2008, 5:13am

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Woodyend, are you trying to save me from leaning over my dusty books late at night? (think McKellan in the beginning of FotR) I'll be doing it anyway. :)

I wonder if Aragorn and Arwen would figure in significantly, since PJ, Fran and Philippa took so much interest in expanding them on the screen in LotR.

The White Council is of course the first thing that comes to mind for me. The two wisest of the Istari taking up their opposing places stands out pretty dramatically.

I don't really have any ideas about Bilbo. I'll ponder. It would obviously be cool to see him meet Aragorn.

Also, regarding David Tennant: I actually think that's an interesting idea and I can see it. Perhaps even more than any of the other names that have been thrown out. Still, I don't think he much matches up with Ian Holm. But I can totally see it.

And, Beleg, it was also my first post today. I've been lurking for a little while. We both couldn't be silent another minute, I see. :)


hobbitgoddess
The Shire


May 30 2008, 5:21am

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Oh for crying out loud! He could not play Bilbo. No way. There are much better choices. I'd take Ed Norton over him (and thats saying something coming from me).
Don't get me wrong. James McAvoy can act, but not for the role of Bilbo.
As for the other names, if Daniel is Bilbo, well then there's just no point in hoping anymore. Go find some other movie to look forward too. the Hobbit will be f---ed. We don't want people going, "Hey look! It's Harry!"
Jack Black, funny guy, not a Bilbo. He is one of my favorite actors actually. But they would just be putting him in there for celebrity purposes.

I'm scared yet again.

Have you hugged your hobbit today?

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Peredhil lover
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May 30 2008, 5:28am

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This is exactly right. Its time to move on. Not only does it make no sense that Ian Holm could play Bilbo for the majority of the film, but PJ and GDT have outright said it is going to be someone else and Holm will be used in some other way. It seems a pretty fair assumption that Holm will or may be narrating the opening and closing of the film.



That is one of the ideas I truly like. Ian Holm could to this, I think, and it would be a nice touch. Well, maybe it will come to pass, who knows?




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My wife is one of the "only Ian Holm can be Bilbo" people. The one thing that puzzles me is why people think Ian Holm could play a nearly 30 year younger version of himself. There are no believable make up or visual FX for this currently and even what is out there (like the horrible younger Magneto in X-Men 3) are unconvincing and expensive. Doing that for a whole movie to the lead actor is simply ridiculous and not going to happen.

The key here is that Ian Holm already looked old even in the prologue which was filmed 9 years ago! Why then will he be able to play Bilbo in The Hobbit now that he is 76 years old (9 years older than when he first donned the youthing makeup). Personally I think he looked weird with dark hair and wrinkles. Imagine how he would look now. Ridiculous and unconvincing.

I just find it bizarre that anyone can seriously think Ian Holm can play the younger Bilbo at this stage. I wish he could, I really do, but reality sucks sometimes.




You're so right! I've tried to explain that often enough that I already feel like a parrot Wink Somehow I get the feeling some people don't understand the age thing at all - the way different aging of Men and Hobbits, the effects of the Ring and the age of the actor is entwined. This seems difficult to understand for some people. Or it is wishful thinking. I'd like Ian Holm to play Bilbo myself, but I knew from the beginning that it is highly unlikely.




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I do think McAvoy would do well as Bilbo, but since GDT has already dispelled what is nothing but another ridiculous rumor from British tabloids (worst papers in the world) I think there is still hope for the relatively unknown Martin Freeman to bring his quiet charm to the role of Bilbo. :-D



Even if GDT didn't think of him by himself, now he's aware of the idea, as the poor guy is reading all these 'insane' suggestions Wink



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Otherwise, I hope GDT surprises us with an inspired choice.



I simply trust him, him and Peter, Fran and Philippa. They did a great job with the casting for LotR, and I trust them to repeat this great work.


I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


krystledm
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May 30 2008, 5:34am

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I'm sorry to correct you...but [In reply to] Can't Post

The film did confuse a lot of people

The film makes it appear that Bilbo leaves one week and the next Frodo does as well...this is not so.

Canon states Frodo's age when he sets off on his journey. I won't quote a number because I do not have my book handy, but I believe he was around 55 years old.

Now if your determined to have a youngin, look to Peregrin, who was between 30 and 33, once again no book, sorry


Anyone wanna site those for me so we have it solid.


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


May 30 2008, 5:57am

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actually PL agewise Kangi_Ska is right, I've been re-reading LOTR and Frodo is about 50 in the book, he turned 33 at the Long-expected Party.


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May 30 2008, 6:05am

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As much as I adore David Tennant (and I really, really do) his height would be a major issue for the filmmakers. Even though in TH Bilbo's mostly with the dwarves, imagine trying to fake the height differences when your main hobbit is as tall as your Elves. Nightmare. Plus, he's way too skinny to be a hobbit.

And if he committed to TH he'd have to leave Doctor Who, which would be a Bad Thing.

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May 30 2008, 6:07am

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Cool

Thank you for that! We appreciate any tidbits offered.

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May 30 2008, 6:08am

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this post implies that Bilbo and Frodo had to look the same age when they left the Shire for the first time, at least I did understand it so, and I was trying to explain that is not the case, though they were both 50. Both stopped aging after getting the Ring, or at least the aging process slowed down, only Bilbo was already middle-aged by then and Frodo newly come of age.

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stormcrow20
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May 30 2008, 6:09am

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May 30 2008, 6:10am

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We have a way to go. [In reply to] Can't Post

I doubt these will be the only hats tossed into the ring.

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beleg
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May 30 2008, 6:24am

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At Bilbo's goodbye party, Frodo turned 33. But, in the book, he didn't leave the Shire for quite a while.
As a matter of fact, if you subtract the year of his birth (2968) from the first of the "Great Years" (3018) as seen in Appendix B, you get.....

50.


sharku
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May 30 2008, 6:27am

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... demeaner, acting chops and appearance. Google his website and look at his photo.


Another vote here for Hugh Bonneville (although Martin Freeman would be my second choice, and Mcavoy wouldn't be the worst, if a little young and thin).

Bonneville seems to tick a number of important boxes - looks, age, voice. Not sure about his acting chops is the only thing!

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May 30 2008, 6:42am

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I know that perfectly well [In reply to] Can't Post

but as I already repeatedly said, the Ring stopped the aging or at least slowed it down, so Frodo didn't look like 50 when he left. So I don't agree that Frodo and Bilbo had to look the same age at 50. But if you think otherwise, feel free.

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Artanis
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May 30 2008, 6:42am

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I wasn't making fun or anything at all.Blush I was agreeing with you (I am beside myself with exitement.....LOL....and when GDT popped on ....LOL.....I kept nudging my husband saying ...."He is on ....He is on...." (see it is me who is the blithering teen!!!!Laugh). I'm sorry. It made me smile when I read your post as it was exactly how I felt. I missed all the hype over the LOTR films, and I'm really exited to be here at the beginning of the Hobbit. .....so sorry my post wasn't taken as it was written BlushBlushBlushBlush.

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stormcrow20
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May 30 2008, 6:45am

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...those are three unfashionable, unhobbity hats that should be thrown out, in my opinion. Laugh

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May 30 2008, 7:47am

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Blushand put that way you're right Bilbo still looked around 50 and Frodo still looked to be 33

Sorry again *walks off hanging head*Blush


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maut
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May 30 2008, 7:52am

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When I was reading Hobbit or LOTR books I had my own image of characters. PJ and his team in the LOTR trilogy did pleased me with Bilbo and Gandalf...Some others were not so fitting for me But the only charascter in the movie I cannot stand is Frodo. He is TOO young, TOO child-like. I don't want to see such a Bilbo in the Hobbit movies. If not sir Ian, then anyone looking like him- that what i just want to see. But no way new Frodo or (even worse!) Harry Potter! Please do not ruin the legend!

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May 30 2008, 8:21am

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thanks for the tip Cool. I was dubious about him being director, but my respect has grown suffiently to feel that the films are in safe hands.

Just a thought about Bilbo in film 2, I was thinking how at the end of the Hobbit, when Bilbo is on his way home, travelling back through Rivendell etc., well I was thinking perhaps that would be a good start to film 2. The Hobbit would still be self contained with all the main events, but the journey back home could lead into film 2, and then maybe have Gandalf telling Bilbo where he has been and what he has been up to....a bit like like what happens when Frodo is at Rivendell and Gandalf explains where he has been then.

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May 30 2008, 8:27am

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Has happened to me, too! With all this excitement around I'm reading too fast and sometimes miss some details myself. And thinking along a different line can make that happen, too. And maybe I didn't express myself very well, who knows. So please don't feel bad about that!

(((Kelvarhin)))

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May 30 2008, 8:30am

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Bare feet? Maybe only from Hobbiton to Rivendell.



But I doubt it. Bare feet have become an established part of the look of hobbits. It's true that the filmmakers have precedent from Tolkien's own illustrations, if they care to introduce boots. (They'd have to be big boots, to cover those large feet. I wonder how that would look??)

...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
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May 30 2008, 8:32am

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it's getting really confusing in here some days, on some threads I keep losing my place Crazy

*hugs back* Kelvarhin x


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Elven
Valinor


May 30 2008, 8:53am

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*hums* ...These boots are make for walkin' ... [In reply to] Can't Post

This will be one of those interesting things which will crop up over time ... the boots!!
When I look at the illustration, I keep thinking they aren't boots like Legolas would wear - or pointy toed tra-la-lally boots - they look like cowboy boots to me Crazy

as long as they're not cowboy boots ... I'll be cool with them ...

If he doesnt wear them - maybe they'll appear for a second inside his pack so we know he has them with him Wink just for some geeky goodness and probability ...


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May 30 2008, 9:00am

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Daniel Radcliffe or Jack Black ??? ....don't think so! [In reply to] Can't Post

TongueCrazy I can't take any source that could suggest Daniel or Jack for the Bilbo seriously....It just doesn't make any sense to even suggest them! Daniel, well no matter how people comment on his acting - is Harry Potter and Jack Black is great, but not as Bilbo! He was funny in the MTV LOTR spoof and that was fine, but Bilbo? So I wouldn't worry too much about these rumours. Anyways we were told that we won't find out for some time yet, so keep chewing your nails guys!!! Hahaha!

As for me, I keep my fingers crossed for James McAvoy, I think he could be an excellent Bilbo! This rumour is the only one that makes sense!


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May 30 2008, 10:21am

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I think James McAvoy would be fantastic, i think he has a bit of a Pippin/Frodo look about him. And Bilbo was around the same age as Bilbo when he went on his journey.
I was totally amazed by his performance in the Last King of Scotland.

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May 30 2008, 12:00pm

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I would hope most of us here would know not to believe everything we read on the internet, but thanks again for setting things straight.


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Timdalf
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May 30 2008, 12:11pm

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I think McAvoy is too young... Black too saucy, too non-bumbling... and Radcliffe both of these... My vote is for Paul Giamatti... recently in "John Adams" on HBO (I think!) and did the orangutan part, Limbo, in the remake of "Planet of the Apes"... He has just the right whiney, wheedly, bourgeoisness, simpering love of comfort that could turn in to real moral fibre and toughness!!


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May 30 2008, 12:46pm

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Lol, {Perehdil lover} It turns out you're exactly right! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you need a hug too. At least reading this sub-thread has given me a chuckle this a.m. Laugh It reminds me of the "who's on first?" comedy skit.

I got what you meant the first time and, according to Tolkien, you're right!

From the beginning of "The Shadow of the Past":

"As time went on, people bagan to notice that Frodo also showed signs of good 'preservation': outwardly heretained the appearance of a robust and energetic hobbit just out of his tweens."

And... on one of Gandalf's visits: "Ah well eh? said Gandalf. "You look the same as ever, Frodo!"

So, you're exactly right! Even though Frodo was 50 when he set out on his journey, he would have looked much younger than Bilbo at 50.


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May 30 2008, 1:09pm

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When I was reading Hobbit or LOTR books I had my own image of characters. PJ and his team in the LOTR trilogy did pleased me with Bilbo and Gandalf...Some others were not so fitting for me But the only charascter in the movie I cannot stand is Frodo. He is TOO young, TOO child-like. I don't want to see such a Bilbo in the Hobbit movies. If not sir Ian, then anyone looking like him- that what i just want to see. But no way new Frodo or (even worse!) Harry Potter! Please do not ruin the legend!



I don't think I had anyone's image when I read the books and while I mostly liked the actor LOTR choices, the three that stick out to me where Frodo, Aragorn and Arwen.
Frodo was too young, they should have used someone older (and hopefully they will for Hobbit), and not at all up to the role (as opposed to the wonderful Sean Astin who pretty much saves they day hobbit-wise in the movies). I liked Mortensen as the mysterious Strider but he did not convince me as "king of Men" Aragorn, again someone a tad older would have fit the bill better. Arwen...no way. Just a pretty face and nothing of the elegance and timeless grace that the movie Galadriel had.

Martin Freeman ? He did looked scared enough in Hitchhiker's guide, but I'm not sure he'd be a good Bilbo. So far, unless something major is preventing it, I say keep Ian Holm as Bilbo.


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Solicitr
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May 30 2008, 1:31pm

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We have to be confident. PJ (and team) have picked the right Merry, Pippin, Sam (and Bilbo) so it can be done again with the young Bilbo,


And absolutely the wrong Frodo.

I'm not confident about *anything* that has PJ's fingerprints on it. I can only hope that GdT succeeds in making this his own movie, telling J/W/B to get stuffed when he has to.


Solicitr
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May 30 2008, 1:39pm

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Remember, the Ring slowed down or stopped the aging process. Bilbo was 50, when he got the Ring, halfway through his life. (As Hobbits usually live to be around 100, Men around 70, that's a 35-40 old human). Frodo, on the other hand, was 33 and just coming of age, so probably looked more like a 20-year-old or slightly older. .


No, no, no! Hobbits did *not* mature any more slowly than Men.

Be that as it may, Bilbo is quite clearly described as "a middle-aged bachelor." McAvoy is too young. It's essential that Bilbo be seen as one so old as to be set in his ways, not inclined to be adaptable. or tolerant of new experiences. Reread 'The Quest of Erebor' in UT or The Annotated Hobbit.

I wouldn't mind Ricky Gervase. A few years ago, Bob Hoskins would have been almost perfect,.

(btw, Ian Holm himself has said that his health isn't up to the rigors of playing Bilbo. He's off the table).


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marlonbrando76
The Shire

May 30 2008, 1:55pm

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James McAvoy look fine for me! like in this picture!
very good actor, i will love to see jack black, ricky gervais and stephen fry like three dwarf of the company! they are great and i will love if Del toro and Jackson look for them Together




N.E. Brigand
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May 30 2008, 2:02pm

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Hobbits come of age at 33. They tend to be about 40 when their eldest children are born. And they live to be 100 "as often as not". Clearly they age more slowly than humans in the real world. So when you say that hobbits "mature" no more slowly than humans, do you mean that they are fully grown at 18-21, and merely delayed in official adulthood by custom?

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May 30 2008, 2:06pm

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Frodo was 50 but looked 33, while Pippin was 28. [In reply to] Can't Post

Some people here think a hobbit at 33 would look like a human at 21; others disagree. But Frodo wouldn't look 50.

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May 30 2008, 2:14pm

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Just for the record, both my wife and I think Ian Holm makes an almost irreplaceable Bilbo. The difference WAS that she didn't want to accept Holm would not be playing Bilbo in the majority of the new films, while I could. Now both of us are nearly on the same page. I think Holm is charming and great in the role. But its time for Martin Freeman to take up the reins and really shine as the befuddled "nearly middle-aged" movie Bilbo.

I have been a Freeman for Bilbo supporter from the very beginning. I wonder how many of us there really are out there? I hope you are listening Guillermo! ;-) LOL

At least give him a shot at an audition... right?


merklynn
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May 30 2008, 2:18pm

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Be that as it may, Bilbo is quite clearly described as "a middle-aged bachelor." McAvoy is too young. It's essential that Bilbo be seen as one so old as to be set in his ways, not inclined to be adaptable. or tolerant of new experiences. Reread 'The Quest of Erebor' in UT or The Annotated Hobbit.



Not disagreeing with you at all, but remember that the Quest of Erebor material is off limits to the films, so as a guideline of Bilbo's age it does not hold that much weight.



Solicitr
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May 30 2008, 2:18pm

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Hobbits come of age at 33. They tend to be about 40 when their eldest children are born. And they live to be 100 "as often as not". Clearly they age more slowly than humans in the real world. So when you say that hobbits "mature" no more slowly than humans, do you mean that they are fully grown at 18-21, and merely delayed in official adulthood by custom?


Yes. Don't you see the joke? Tolkien the university professor, the man who spent his life dealing with college students in their Tweens, was having one of his wry pokes again, suggesting that a sensible society wouldn't consider the young rascals 'adults' and turn them loose.


Solicitr
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May 30 2008, 2:21pm

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Be that as it may, Bilbo is quite clearly described as "a middle-aged bachelor." McAvoy is too young. It's essential that Bilbo be seen as one so old as to be set in his ways, not inclined to be adaptable. or tolerant of new experiences. Reread 'The Quest of Erebor' in UT or The Annotated Hobbit.



Not disagreeing with you at all, but remember that the Quest of Erebor material is off limits to the films, so as a guideline of Bilbo's age it does not hold that much weight.


It can't be used directly of course: but certainly the filmmakers can and should do their research using all available material. WETA could design the Ring of Barahir according to the description given in off-limits material, because the LR mentions it but doesn't say what it looked like. Frankly any attempt to write/film the Unexpected Party without a (background) knowledge of TQFE would be fatuous


merklynn
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May 30 2008, 2:26pm

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It can't be used directly of course: but certainly the filmmakers can and should do their research using all available material. WETA could design the Ring of Barahir according to the description given in off-limits material, because the LR mentions it but doesn't say what it looked like. Frankly any attempt to write/film the Unexpected Party without a (background) knowledge of TQFE would be fatuous



I understand that, but what I'm saying is that its easier not to be tied down by facts, when they come from sources that are supposed to be off-limits. So if they wanted to ignore some of the age facts from UT, it would not be hard for them to justify. Of course, something humans are notorious for is being able to justify almost any action, no matter how deplorable or "inhuman".

Personally though, I don't mind a slightly younger Bilbo, but the actor should be at least in his 30s.



Nerwen Altáriel
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May 30 2008, 2:32pm

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Oh for crying out loud! He could not play Bilbo. No way. There are much better choices. I'd take Ed Norton over him (and thats saying something coming from me).



I have never thought in Edward Norton as a hobbit, is not a bad idea, haha

the bad thing (for me) it's that he's already too famous







He looks like an actor ho can make very different roles


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May 30 2008, 2:41pm

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May 30 2008, 2:47pm

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The hug is very appreciated! Smile

Glad this discussion gave you at least a good chuckle! And thanks for the exact quote - I was at work and didn't have my book handy to type it up. It was just what I had in mind when I tried to explain.

This whole age thing can be a bit confusing, as we have seen, and I fear the movies didn't exactly help with this, more or less leaving out the 17-year-gap between the Long-Expected Party and Frodo's leaving.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


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May 30 2008, 2:58pm

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give me any source for that claim? For I agree competely with N.E. Brigand here. He said exactly what I believe - and most people I know, too, I might add.

To you it may be an academical joke, but it is not practical at all. To me it makes absolutely no sense to force people to wait another 12 years after they are adult to truly declare them adult. Which parents would want to feed their adult children another tweive years, to be responsible for them, not to allow them to go out and care for themselves? No, I doubt very much the Hobbits would do that - they are much too down-to-earth for this sort of joke.

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Nerwen Altáriel
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May 30 2008, 3:15pm

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I don't think I had anyone's image when I read the books and while I mostly liked the actor LOTR choices, the three that stick out to me where Frodo, Aragorn and Arwen.
Frodo was too young, they should have used someone older (and hopefully they will for Hobbit), and not at all up to the role (as opposed to the wonderful Sean Astin who pretty much saves they day hobbit-wise in the movies). I liked Mortensen as the mysterious Strider but he did not convince me as "king of Men" Aragorn, again someone a tad older would have fit the bill better. Arwen...no way. Just a pretty face and nothing of the elegance and timeless grace that the movie Galadriel had.



I agree with you about Arwen (I didn't like how the character was scripted nor Liv's performance) and about Galadriel (Kate Blanchet was perfect). About an actor older than Mortensen, I'm not sure.




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Martin Freeman ? He did looked scared enough in Hitchhiker's guide, but I'm not sure he'd be a good Bilbo. So far, unless something major is preventing it, I say keep Ian Holm as Bilbo.

It's so difficult to understand that's impossible???


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Woodyend
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May 30 2008, 3:23pm

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I must be behind the times, why is this material off limits? [In reply to] Can't Post


Not disagreeing with you at all, but remember that the Quest of Erebor material is off limits to the films, so as a guideline of Bilbo's age it does not hold that much weight.


It can't be used directly of course: but certainly the filmmakers can and should do their research using all available material. WETA could design the Ring of Barahir according to the description given in off-limits material, because the LR mentions it but doesn't say what it looked like. Frankly any attempt to write/film the Unexpected Party without a (background) knowledge of TQFE would be fatuous


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Solicitr
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May 30 2008, 3:24pm

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How about Christopher Tolkien?

Some people *believe* Balrogs have wings- but that doesn't make 'em right. Cool


Solicitr
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May 30 2008, 3:26pm

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JRRT's 1969 film-license agreement applies specifically to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, only. Nothing outside the covers of those books falls within the rights Zaentz/NL/TW own.


Solicitr
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May 30 2008, 3:29pm

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To me it makes absolutely no sense to force people to wait another 12 years after they are adult to truly declare them adult. Which parents would want to feed their adult children another tweive years, to be responsible for them, not to allow them to go out and care for themselves?


But that's exactly what hobbits did, at least in the great Holes. Young-adult Tooks and Brandybucks never moved out, even when they got married.


beleg
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May 30 2008, 3:51pm

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Well...then there's the fact that when it comes to the difference in the way a hobbit looks at 33 and 50 probably isn't very big, ring or no ring.

BUT what I was saying originally was that none of that *really* matters because the hobbit movie should be consistent with the LOTR movie. So Bilbo should generally look a bit older to start out with anyway.


FarFromHome
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May 30 2008, 3:57pm

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Tolkien had his little jokes [In reply to] Can't Post

no question about that. But the one you're ascribing to him seems pretty weak, if it is one.


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Tolkien the university professor, the man who spent his life dealing with college students in their Tweens, was having one of his wry pokes again...



The joke really is that hobbits are so very much like us, and yet they aren't. We can't really tell how old they might have looked to us. Certainly Bergil mistakes Pippin for a boy - and not just because of his height, since he sees him close up. Pippin is 29, a tween in hobbit-years, certainly "quite old" in man-years, as Bergil says. But Pippin apparently doesn't look like a 29-year-old man. We don't really know what adult, or tween, hobbits look like, do we? With their beardless faces maybe they would look quite childlike to us, even when they're of age. That's one of the neat ambiguities you get when you create a race that's just unfamiliar enough to leave the reader guessing.

...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.

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May 30 2008, 4:01pm

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I get the joke. [In reply to] Can't Post

But that joke is just a reader's interpretation, even if that reader is Christopher Tolkien -- unless you mean that he has told you that his father in conversation or unpublished writings confirmed that hobbits mature no more slowly than humans and that by "tweens" and a late coming of age, his father meant to mock the idea of "adults" in their twenties. After all, J.R.R. Tolkien himself was a war veteran, married and a father of two while still in his twenties. And in Éomer, he wrote a character who becomes a king at age 28.

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Peredhil lover
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May 30 2008, 4:51pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

A few years more or less aren't a problem, I think. Bilbo shouldn't look like a 20-year-old human (and certainly older than Frodo looked when he left), but not like a 50-year-old one, either. Something in between, and I am happy.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Peredhil lover
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May 30 2008, 4:57pm

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post

You are stating your claim as if it was explicitly explained by JRRT himself, so I wanted to know where I might find that, as I've never ever heard of that or read it somewhere.
OTOH, from what I said, it should be obvious that I stated *my opinion*, not claimed to quote any authority.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Peredhil lover
Valinor

May 30 2008, 4:59pm

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And is that [In reply to] Can't Post

any proof that they are not accepted as mature? I know enough people who live at the same house as their parents and are still very decidedly adult.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


fingolfin_nc
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May 30 2008, 5:52pm

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That's exactly why I think Hugh Bonneville ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... would be an excellent choice for Bilbo and am curious as to your thoughts.


fingolfin_nc
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May 30 2008, 5:55pm

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That's exactly why I think Hugh Bonneville ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... would make an excellent Bilbo and am curious as to your thoughts.


Patty
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May 30 2008, 5:57pm

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I just listened to Hugh Bonneville's voice doing the commerical on that link... [In reply to] Can't Post

that IS Bilbo!

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kei-shan
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May 30 2008, 6:23pm

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Don't judge so easily [In reply to] Can't Post

Hmmm, reading all the comments I've realized most of you are judging these actors without having seeing most of his work.

For example, Daniel Radcliffe is the most talented and versatile young British actor at the moment. I see most of you just know him for the Harry Potter movies, but lately he has been playing other roles and even if I didn't like him before, after watching some of his new works I have to admit he is really good.
He can do cinema, theatre, tv... all. Comedy, action, drama... He just have to take those glasses and scar off and you forget he plays Harry Potter.
About his personality, he has a lot of charisma (much more than most older actors) and he remembers me to Elijah, both seem to be very nice people and humble, and with a great capacity to laugh about themselves (just watch Ricky Gervais' Extras series).
Also, after seeing him playing Alan Strang in the theatre, which is probably one of the most difficult roles in theatre history, I can easy say that YES, he can be the next Sir Ian Holm.
I don't know if some of you have had the pleasure to see Mr Holm playing in the theatre, but he has a great stage presence even being so small, and Radcliffe is like that too, he is a short man but he has an amazing stage presence which actually remembered me to Ian Holm much before all this Bilbo talking started.
So please, son't judge people so easily.

If it wouldn't be because he is still too young, I could see him playing Bilbo. Although now I think about it, he is the same age Elijah was when he played Frodo for the firt time. But Radcliffe has proyects for the next years already so it's impossible anyway.

About James McAvoy, the problem I have with him is he remembers me more to an elf than a hobbit. And I like all the movies he has done lately, but it was always the same type of character. The only fantasy character I have seen him play was in Narnia, and it was quite a childish character (in the sense that it was very "fairy tail-ish") so I can not really judge that. But all the other things I've seen him doing are always the same, quite serious roles. I've never seen him playing something like comedy, so I don't really know if he would be the perfect choice for the role.

Same with Jack Black, but all the opposite, because I have never seen him playing something serious.

I guess I need to see more of their movies, but I hope they have other people in mind, not James McAvoy, sorry, he is too much "the-Orlando-Bloom-type"...


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Patty
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May 30 2008, 6:29pm

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Nerwen... [In reply to] Can't Post

your pic from "The Illusionist" is now my new desktop background. I would have never thought I'd find Ed Norton sexy, but hey, there was something about that movie!

Thanks.

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Notallwhowanderarelost
The Shire


May 30 2008, 6:36pm

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Not to worry [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile I think we are all getting blithery! This is a lot of fun. And I love how GDT is taking such an interest in letting us know what is going on.
I love directors who are in touch with their audience and around here he and PJ literally are!Laugh

If I was a Hobbit I would definitely be a Took no matter how much I'd rather be a Baggins.


luvgabe
The Shire


May 30 2008, 6:51pm

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Paul Giamatti? No, no, no, a thousand times no! [In reply to] Can't Post


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My vote is for Paul Giamatti... recently in "John Adams" on HBO (I think!) and did the orangutan part, Limbo, in the remake of "Planet of the Apes"... He has just the right whiney, wheedly, bourgeoisness, simpering love of comfort that could turn in to real moral fibre and toughness!!


Sorry, but the idea of Paul Giamatti as Bilbo is simply too horrible to contemplate. Even worse than Daniel Radcliffe or Jack Black. Giamatti is way too "New York" whiney. He is also completely without charisma.

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Patty
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May 30 2008, 7:05pm

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What would you think of him as Balin? [In reply to] Can't Post

If he could manage the accent?

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kei-shan
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May 30 2008, 7:06pm

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Very talented [In reply to] Can't Post

In my opinion the problem is not the actor, the problem is the way those movies are done. I don't know, having read the books, I think they could make much better movies. But with those weak scripts it is very little the actor can do.
One of the best things they did with the LotR movies is they centered the movies around Frodo, they didn't included things which were not directly related to him, that make everything to have a sense. I hope they do the same with The Hobbit movies. With the HP movies they don't do that. For example, there are secondary characters that have more lines and time than the main character, that's senless and makes the movie weak and pointless. They put too many scenes in too little time, so there is no way an actor can develop a character in the way it is developed in more than 5000 pages of those books.
Even so, I don't know how, but he still manages to show many of the characteristics of the character, like his fears and goodness, and he has a tremedous chemistry with all other actors.
And last, but not less important, this actor has grow up doing stunts, he is probably the best actor in the world working with special effects, if you know all the things he has had to do... and that's a very good profile for a fantasy movie.

If you've seen David Copperfield, he was very young there but quite good. Radcliffe is like the Elijah Wood of his generation, but more versatile because he is doing theatre which is something young Hollywood actors don't do. In my opinion theatre is where people show if they are real actors or not. In front of a camara... the director can make it look good even if the actor or actress doesn't even know how to say 2 consecutive words.

So, for me it wouldn't be crazy to consider him for the role, if it wasn't because he has 2 HP movies to film and after that another one called Jouney, which I think can be an excellent movie btw.


luvgabe
The Shire


May 30 2008, 7:11pm

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If he could manage the accent?


Giamatti as Balin makes much better sense. He really is more dwarf than hobbit. Regardless, while I think he is a good actor, I'm just not enamored with him. My preference is for the Balin role be given to a British or Australian/Kiwi actor.

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beleg
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May 30 2008, 7:13pm

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it's in the math [In reply to] Can't Post

It's all coming from Appendix B in LOTR. I think that's what you meant?


Jettorex
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May 30 2008, 7:19pm

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Hugh Bonneville is Bilbo! [In reply to] Can't Post

The second I saw his face-its Bilbo. that is how I pictured him while reading the Hobbit. He also looks alot like Ian.

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luvgabe
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May 30 2008, 7:21pm

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Martin Freeman does look like a hobbit! [In reply to] Can't Post

Prompted by the pro-MartinFreeman posters here, I checked out his website. I'm not familiar with his work, but he DOES look like a hobbit! http://www.martinfreeman.com/index.php?page=287

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Solicitr
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May 30 2008, 7:23pm

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Note [In reply to] Can't Post

that Aragorn was adjudged an 'adult' at twenty- even though the Dunedain lived even longer than hobbits, and Elessar himself would crack 200.


kei-shan
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May 30 2008, 7:29pm

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Yes! Hugh Bonneville! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes! I totally agree, he has the hobbit looks.
James McAvoy has elf looks, he is too thin. I think Hugh Bonneville wold be perfect!


Patty
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May 30 2008, 8:04pm

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But listen to his VOICE on the link provided above... [In reply to] Can't Post

he even sounds a lot like Sir Ian in that first credit card commericial.

Uncanny.

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Woodyend
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May 30 2008, 8:16pm

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But the appendices are in Return of the King. [In reply to] Can't Post

Therefore they should be covered under the agreement. Most of the Aragorn, Arwen story in the three movies came directly from the appendix in Return of the King.

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JRRT's 1969 film-license agreement applies specifically to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, only. Nothing outside the covers of those books falls within the rights Zaentz/NL/TW own.


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Solicitr
Gondor

May 30 2008, 8:23pm

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Ah, but [In reply to] Can't Post

Apparently the Agreements (which I hope to get my hands on soon) specifically *excluded* any part of the Appendices having to do with the First and Sercond Ages.


Woodyend
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May 30 2008, 8:31pm

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Thanks for the info. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Apparently the Agreements (which I hope to get my hands on soon) specifically *excluded* any part of the Appendices having to do with the First and Sercond Ages.


So what does that leave us with in the appendices?

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squire
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May 30 2008, 8:34pm

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I vote for fatuity, then! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think The Quest for Erebor quite ruins the Unexpected Party scene, which makes perfect sense on its own as an introduction to The Hobbit. When it comes to capturing the charm, power, and integral themes of the hobbit's story (that is, Bilbo's story), I say stick to The Hobbit book and LotR be dashed!

I also suspect Tolkien realized this, which is why he trimmed The Quest down to the part he put in the LotR appendices and filed the rest of it away under "unfinished".

As the saying goes, Unfinished Tales is dangerous as a guide to deeds, and thoughts. Parts of it are often contradictory to LotR, The Hobbit or both, and the multiple version/fragments of each story that CT found and published are contradictory among themselves.



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May 30 2008, 8:49pm

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The problem with Paul Giamatti... [In reply to] Can't Post

...is that you look at him and hear him speak and all you think is, that there is Paul Giamatti.

It's why I don't think well-known American actors are the best way to go with casting any of the roles.


Solicitr
Gondor

May 30 2008, 8:49pm

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Pretty much all of them [In reply to] Can't Post

except for the Tale of Years of the Second Age, and the brief summaries of the Elder Days and the Fall of Numenor.

(I haven't read them yet- it's possible the Green Zone might include the War of the Last Alliance at the tage-end of the Second Age)


xxxyyy
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May 30 2008, 9:07pm

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I don't care who they will choose. the important is that... [In reply to] Can't Post

it MUST look like a young Ian Holm, maybe with some makeup or CGI.
It must also be an actor who acts like Ian Holm.
If this is what they will choose, they have my blessing, otherwise... what a shame...
I'm confident, despite these (awful) rumors.


stormcrow20
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May 30 2008, 10:32pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

Paul Giamatti?
Oh, dear....my list of "unacceptables" for The Hobbit and film 2 just keeps getting longer....

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Yelwrose
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May 31 2008, 12:08am

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Martin Freeman is your man....er...hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

Something to think about. Martin Freeman even looks like a young Ian Holm. McAvoy is too "pretty" (would make a nice elf) and Radcliffe is Harry Potter. Martin is PERFECT for our beloved Bilbo. I have read that Sir Ian may narrate which would be lovely.

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Sunflower
Valinor

May 31 2008, 2:12am

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McAvoy is too much a star for this. [In reply to] Can't Post

He has come a VERY long way since Mr.Tumnus from Narnia. It's hard, for me, to picture The White Guy From The Last King Of Scotland and The Guy Who Ripped Keira Knightley's Clothes Off In The Library (Atonement) to be able to "come down" again to putting on hobbit feet and talking to a dragon. At least that's the way some snobbish A-listers (or borderline A-listers) would feel, IMO. Look up his profile on Wikipedia....he is an A-lister, no doubt about it. After his Golden Globe nom for Atonement, I don't doubt he might consider something like this beneath him....

BTW, this has got to stop....McAvoy's Wikipedia entry, as well as umpteen Google links, place him as "heading the list" of people tipped to play Bilbo! Not that I object to the speculation, but its' been 24 hrs since GDT refuted the rumors....you'd think these people would log onto TORN and do their research. Sheesh. Cool

Some have observed that Martin Freeman would be less suitable for the role b/c he is stigmatized as a comic actor and has less range and chops. Well, I think we have learned by now that PJ, Fran, and yes, GDT can pull out amazing performances from people you think would not be able to do them. Freeman, moreover, is an actor who needs the exposure. I'm sure he'd feel it would be worth it to endure the physical demands of the job for the boost to his career. If he is to be stigmatized as a "genre" actor, better to have the greatest "genre" role of all.


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Woodyend
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May 31 2008, 2:23am

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Well I think the A-listers should take a look at what LOTR did for Viggo. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Sunflower
Valinor

May 31 2008, 2:35am

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Precisely. [In reply to] Can't Post

The role of the Father in "The Road" is in a sense a typical "Viggo" role, a variation on an archetype he played many times before LOTR, but he was still "under the radar" then. A lot of this was Viggo himself, refusing to play the Hollywood game. But since being on the LOTR set he has learned a lot about publicity and marketing. Well, not that he needs a lot of marketing in one sense...to us ladies he's got the goods, and we knew that BEFORE Eastern PromisesEvilAngelicLaugh

But you know what I mean. Without LOTR there would have been no "The Road." He would have gone on making Croenenberg films..not that there's anything wrong with that of course, but fewer people in Hollywood would have been watching. "Viggo who?"

Which brings up an interesting point. I wonder if (artistically speaking) he'd consider getting back into the Aragorn costume for Film 2 an artistic regression, for all the fun of the filming experience....you know, the way we consider Indy 4 as good, but still nostalgia. It would be interesting for him to go back and revisit a much less complex role...as Aragorn is an archetype. And that's the more complex *cinematic* Aragorn....not the much more linear character of the book. (I love both, BTW)

Viggo has changed. I wonder if I was the only one who was shocked at his comments during Oscar season last yr..he was following the nominations VERY closely and sounded in his comments like the seasoned insider. The nomination meant a lot to him. Whereas during LOTR he couldn't have cared less. Look at all the hype and attention "The Road" is getting already. It's a huge project. He's used to that now. And he's not like Ian McKellan, he's just hitting his stride, a late bloomer, and still young enough in a sense to be ambitious.


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Woodyend
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May 31 2008, 3:17am

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Oh yeah Eastern Promises, [In reply to] Can't Post

I don’t think I have ever paused a DvD as much as I have that one. Wink
As far as revisiting Aragorn, I think Viggo would if he wants to work with the director, and of course if the script is good. We will come back to the same problem of age with him, like we will with Bilbo though.

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Sunflower
Valinor

May 31 2008, 3:50am

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Age [In reply to] Can't Post

Pausing the DVD....hehe. Guilty as chargedAngelicTongue. Well, HE started it, by saying in interviews he wouldn't mind!

Anyway, the age issue..it would be no problem to show him as Thorongil, I mean, the man is ageless, he only needs to dye his beard and mustache and that would be it. He wore a wig anyway. With a teeny bit of makeup, he could pull off anything in the 50-70 yrs old age range (30's in Dunedain yrs?), but 20 would definitely be a problem. And here is where we see just how much footage PJ has stashed in the closet and if GDT would agree to crimping any of this footage for his film.


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Daughter of Nienna
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May 31 2008, 8:41am

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Movie history... [In reply to] Can't Post

...is filled with these kinds of things. There are very often a list of names, short or long, that get bandied about. Some are pretty funny in hind-sight. I cant think of an example at the moment. Some times the names that first get mentioned, were never really in serious contention. Just names getting thrown around.

Just as with any artistic endeavor... the first thoughts are usually the ones thrown out... they are only for the porposes of brainstorming ideas.

Who's to say who the real contender will be. We are a long way from that... there's till lots of time.

I love James McAvoy, won me over in Last King of Scotland... though I can't quite picture him as Bilbo.

I agree with what someone said that who GDT & PJ have in mind might well be different from the top guys. They may even do a search for an unknown... or someone that doesn't have a marquee name... yet. I actually like that idea best.

I'll just wait and see and too soon to push the panic buttons.

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Yelwrose
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May 31 2008, 4:43pm

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Which brings up an interesting point. I wonder if (artistically speaking) he'd consider getting back into the Aragorn costume for Film 2 an artistic regression, for all the fun of the filming experience....you know, the way we consider Indy 4 as good, but still nostalgia. It would be interesting for him to go back and revisit a much less complex role...as Aragorn is an archetype. And that's the more complex *cinematic* Aragorn....not the much more linear character of the book. (I love both, BTW)

Viggo has changed. I wonder if I was the only one who was shocked at his comments during Oscar season last yr..he was following the nominations VERY closely and sounded in his comments like the seasoned insider. The nomination meant a lot to him. Whereas during LOTR he couldn't have cared less. Look at all the hype and attention "The Road" is getting already. It's a huge project. He's used to that now. And he's not like Ian McKellan, he's just hitting his stride, a late bloomer, and still young enough in a sense to be ambitious.


While Viggo has become more comfortable with promotion and interviews, he hasn't really changed. He is still the warm, intense, thoughtful person he has always been. He has stated (not since the announcement of the green light on The Hobbit and Film 2) that he would be interested in reprising Aragorn. Viggo-Works has the interview in their archives. Of course, while it's still way to early to know for sure, I think that if he can, and if the script is good, that he will. If he doesn't do it, there really is no point in making Film 2. Reports that he is already in talks are mistaken. There is always hope! Viggo can pull off the younger man, and as someone above stated, who knows what footage PJ already has? I believe I read a long time ago that PJ filmed the meeting of Arwen and Estel Just have a look at pictures this week from his photo exhibit in Iceland. He has shaved off the beard and already looks 20 years younger. Movie magic can make the rest happen. Return to us, our Aragorn!

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Woodyend
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May 31 2008, 5:54pm

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Welcome to the board Yelwrose. [In reply to] Can't Post

The movie would not be the same without Viggo. I don't think I could accept another actor in his role. But who knows. I didn't think I could accept Daniel Craig as James Bond, but he proved me wrong.

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Woodyend
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May 31 2008, 9:39pm

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Pausing the DVD....hehe. Guilty as chargedAngelicTongue. Well, HE started it, by saying in interviews he wouldn't mind!

Anyway, the age issue..it would be no problem to show him as Thorongil, I mean, the man is ageless, he only needs to dye his beard and mustache and that would be it. He wore a wig anyway. With a teeny bit of makeup, he could pull off anything in the 50-70 yrs old age range (30's in Dunedain yrs?), but 20 would definitely be a problem. And here is where we see just how much footage PJ has stashed in the closet and if GDT would agree to crimping any of this footage for his film.


didn’t they burn all of it after ROTK was filmed? I remember seeing at least some of it burn in appendix of the EE version.

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Yelwrose
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May 31 2008, 11:02pm

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The movie would not be the same without Viggo. I don't think I could accept another actor in his role. But who knows. I didn't think I could accept Daniel Craig as James Bond, but he proved me wrong.



Thank you, Woodyend! I've followed TORn for years, but GDT's entry here inspired me to register. How incredibly generous of him to join and post in this community. I was a bit worried at first when I read that he said in an interview that he had not read LOTR because he found it too "dense," but my fears are now allayed. He obviously is catching up quickly and is a bonafide Middle Earth lover now. I'm actually quite excited about his involvement now. The fact that he is interested in communicating with the fans speaks volumes to me.

I do agree with you that I could not accept anyone other than Viggo in the role of Aragorn. Bond? Yes, many have tackled that role and made it their own, Daniel Craig being one of the best, IMO. But Aragorn? No. It cannot be. It must be Viggo or no one.

Thanks again for the warm welcome. I look forward to being part of this community. One that has earned a fine and well-deserved reputation for excellence.


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Jun 1 2008, 1:23am

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If that was Tolkien's intent [In reply to] Can't Post

then why did he make the hobbits longer-lived than humans? It seems clear to me that hobbits had a longer life-span than humans, so everything was stretched, including coming of age. I don't think there is anything in Tolkien's writing, including his letters, that indicate that hobbits mature as quickly as humans.

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Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jun 1 2008, 5:52am

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'Welcome' from another former long-time lurker Wink

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Sunflower
Valinor

Jun 1 2008, 7:38am

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Yelwrose, when I said Viggo has "changed" I did not mean to suggest that all this success has gone to his head and he has morphed into an A-list snob. Far from it! And you are right, personality-wise, he is still the great and humble guy he has always been. But for me, a newfound awareness of marketing and publicity is a major change for a guy who went until his mid-40's without caring about such. He is much more savvy now. Part of me still longs for the Eternal Outsider...but hey, for him, there's nowhere to go but up.

Thanks for filling me in on his recent comments about playing Aragorn again. That reassures me. Some people might not want to go back to revisiting this type of role after "making it big", but if there's anyone who wouldn't care, then I guess he wouldn't. It just shows what a nice guy he is.

Someone wrote that they thought he did a fine job as Strider, but they didn't see him as a good "king of men." I thought he did a fantastic job of portraying the man who walked around in rags but had the aspect of a king. Particularily in the scenes with Theoden in the middle of TTT....the conversation they have on the battlements of Helm's Deep when they are arguing about riding out for more aid. Theoden says, "No, my lord Aragorn, we are alone." The camera flashes to a filthy and bedraggled Aragorn and you think, "WHAT is he doing in those rags?" I pictured him wearing a king's finery at that point. Already, he is Theoden's equal, and I don't think Theoden was entirely mocking him at that point. And by the time of ROTK Theoden is addressing him like a second-in-command and it's entirely believable.The Estel saying farewell to his mother's grave in Rivendell was already a seasoned warrior and leader, and you sense that even in the quiet scenes. I thought the filmmakers handled his "growing" into the role of King very well (for all this version of Aragorn is not the one of the book.) If not Viggo, who would you have suggested? Some Hollywood mainstream pretty boy like Russell Crowe or Eric Bana? The thin and wiry Viggo handled it quite well....he had all the right gravitas.

Speaking of which....one character I'd like to see in Film 2 is Gilraen. It might be possible to show her as an older woman. I am going to go back and try to watch the Trilogy again and pick up clues of cmaera work/shots that would suggest a future continuity link. As if PJ ever pictured TH being made and they tried to film stuff that could provide a possible continuity link. The cloxse-up of Gilraen's face on her statue would suggest this. As well as, of course, all the Hobbit refs in LOTR. I have always wondered whose face that statue was modeled after....


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Voorhas
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Jun 1 2008, 7:53am

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Especially since Dan Radcliffe will be involved!

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Voorhas
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Jun 1 2008, 8:04am

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Maybe they can use outtakes of his scenes from Witness.

I kid!

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Solicitr
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Jun 1 2008, 10:32am

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Dunedain [In reply to] Can't Post

lived longer than other humans, but didn't mature any more slowly. Aragorn was full-grown at twenty.

Why did JRRT give hobbits longer lifespans (but not beyond RW longevity)? Probably a tribute to claen living Wink


grammaboodawg
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Jun 2 2008, 8:27pm

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merklynn
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Jun 2 2008, 8:34pm

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Jun 2 2008, 9:37pm

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Hugh Bonneville indeed would be inspired casting for Bilbo. I like the idea of Martin Freeman but do prefer Hugh.
James McElroy can act, assuredly, but so can Mr. Bonneville, so I'm thinking the one that looks more like Sir Ian Holmes should definitely play the part :D
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Actaeon
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Jun 3 2008, 3:25am

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Thats genius! Yup i'll sign for Hugh Bonneville too!



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Jun 3 2008, 11:36pm

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I hope it's James McAvoy! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I'd die if Jack Black was cast as Bilbo.

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We still remember, we who dwell
In this far land beneath the trees,
Thy starlight on the Western Seas."

"It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men,and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he was from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace..."

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Jun 5 2008, 9:10pm

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I TOTALLY agree with you. [In reply to] Can't Post

We need
1-Ian Holm
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someone who looks exactly like Ian Holm, even a little younger i sfine with me.

But McAvoy... com'on... don't tell they can't' find anyone better (in terms of resemblance, I'm not saying he's a bad actor)


Dreamdeer
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Jun 11 2008, 3:10pm

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Daniel Radcliffe? No, sorry. Wrong acting-style, wrong looks, wrong age, wrong everything. Sort of reminds me of the time I asked my Grandmother, for Christmas, for Shostakovich's Symphony #12 in D Minor (a really gloomy piece that only a gloomy teenage girl could love) and she got me a collection of Strauss waltzes, saying, "Well, they're both classical music, aren't they?" (Ungrateful little whelp that I was, I didn't hide my disappointment at the time.) Harry Potter and The Lord of the Rings are both fantasies, aren't they? So aren't the actors interchangeable? Riiiiiight.

Jack Black? At least he looks closer to Bilbo. Yet though he might try to stretch himself, he'll always have a slightly greasy air of sleaze about his acting, appropriate to certain kinds of humor (like the parody Council of Elrond) or, on the serious side, to playing a ruthless carnie/con artist in King Kong, but certainly not respectable Mr. Baggins.

James McAvoy? Acting-wise, certainly. Age? Close enough for make-up to even out the difference. Appearance? The soft, hobbity features help, but is he willing to get fat for the role? Seriously, fat is an important Bilbo motif. He will have to make that sacrifice for as long as it takes to film the movies, and take the risk that, like Elizabeth Taylor discovered to her dismay, pounds gained for a role might not necessarily come off so easily.

Not to go to the extreme size of Hugo Reyes on "Lost", mind you, but does Jorge Garcia have a little brother with the same big talent?

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Hobbit Guy
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Jun 11 2008, 3:11pm

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McAvoy, hes not any bit Tolkien in any respect [In reply to] Can't Post

Well let me tell you, James McAvoy has been a girl magnet since his role in Atonement. The thing i've seen is that how in the movie Ian Holme is seen with the ring in Gollum's cave, the audience sees that as Bilbo no matter what (i do!) and if McAvoy, Radcliffe, Black, plays in this movie, the feel of Bilbo, the hobbits and Tolkien will utterly be lost and thrown away. Martin Freeman looks the closest to Ian Holme like it or not, he has the larger cheaks and flat wider head like Holme. not to be gay sounding, but we need someone who is cute, not hot, and i hope the film makers realize this. Also, hobbits don't age like people think, they do look 50 years old when they reached the age! Bilbo in the lord of the rings stayed looking fifty because the ring prolonged his life. So, Bilbo needs to be a little mature looking, and not like some super hot super star! other than jack black, the others are way to young to have this role, their good actors! im serious! but they are not righ for the job nontheless.


Hobbit Guy
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Jun 11 2008, 3:19pm

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Look! this is Ian Holme compared to Martin Freeman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

    
Marin Freeman: http://cache.viewimages.com/...B7339930FDCFC4C15FBB

Ian Holme: http://upload.moldova.org/...s/tn2_ian_holm_2.jpg


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sphdle1
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Jul 4 2008, 4:32pm

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I agree with everything you mentioned on Radcliff as an actor, and as a great candidate to play Bilbo; however I don't agree with how you described the movies themselves. I think the movies are awesome, with tons of depth/character/excitement/action, superbly scripted storyline & character creation, world class believable acting, ingenius musical composition/scoring to fit each individual movie, and some are equally as thrilling as the LOTR movies..IMHO


sphdle1
Gondor

Jul 4 2008, 5:54pm

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Freeman looks much more like Holm [In reply to] Can't Post

Freeman is THE choice to replace Holm as Bilbo. Their resemblance and acting styles are so much a like, it's scary:

Way more resemblance to Holm's Bilbo & more thus more believable than McAvoy, and better comedic timing, not to mention equally good serious acting ability. It is hard to tell which picture below are a younger Ian Holm or the current 37 year old Martin Freeman. Note Freeman is 37, where as, James McAvoy is on 29. Freeman is and looks closer in age.






Lets compare McAvoy to see if he fits in with Holm's look:



Lets compare all at once, side by side:





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sphdle1
Gondor

Jul 4 2008, 6:25pm

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One of the main images didn't show up properly in the side by side comparisons (see attached or link below):
http://www.jamd.com/image/g/2736883 (The resemblance in this one is scary..even without makeup/ears/hair/etc.)

Here's one more for comparison (even without the ears, hair and makeup, Freeman clearly looks like a younger Bilbo, while McAvoy looks like nothing close to Ian Holm/Bilbo):



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sphdle1
Gondor

Jul 4 2008, 6:47pm

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totally agree [In reply to] Can't Post

Both on acting ability, and check out my picture comparisons above post. Freeman is the obvious choice, as McAvoy looks 'Nothing' like Holm/Blibo...!


sphdle1
Gondor

Jul 4 2008, 8:05pm

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No mention of Martin Freeman? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to another post, I posted this somewhere in the middle, but I find it odd that in that speculative article, there is no mention of the one person that could possibly replace Ian Holm as Bilbo for this movie:

http://newboards.theonering.net/...latest_reply;so=ASC;;


(This post was edited by sphdle1 on Jul 4 2008, 8:07pm)


sphdle1
Gondor

Jul 7 2008, 12:18pm

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I know I went crazy with picture [In reply to] Can't Post

but check out some of these comparisons, even older pictures of Holm, scary the resemblance:

http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_threaded;post=113762;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;


sphdle1
Gondor

Jul 7 2008, 2:17pm

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I agree Jack Black as Bilbo would be a JOKE! But McAvoy isn't right either. He is a good actor, but lacks the comedic timing needed for Bilbo that Holm set the bar so high on. Though I don't see peoples argument about McAvoy as being hot or 'eye candy'. He is just average, and not nearly in the same league as Orlando Bloom, or Johnny Depp, etc.

Martin Freeman is THE only Bilbo replacement.


(This post was edited by sphdle1 on Jul 7 2008, 2:18pm)

 
 

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