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The Shire

Apr 23 2018, 3:51pm

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You are persuasive...but still...

I think this makes the GOT spin-offs relatively risky bets, and neither Amazon, HBO, nor anyone else knows how well they will pay off yet. As to the other comparisons, while I did not personally like The Hobbit films very much, even the least successful of them (Battle of the Five Armies) made more money than the first Fantastic Beasts movie.

Well, you are onto a winning argument here in terms of the overall box office gross, if taken on a global basis. But I wouldn't be so certain box office popularity can be definitively correlated with success on TV, since they are distinct mediums.

Nontheless, Fantastic Beasts made $85 million in China, compared to the $60m gross of Deathly Hallows part II five years prior. So, it's not as if, by its very nature, a prequel set in the same fictional universe but in a different historical era with new characters cannot hope to thrive or even surpass the profits of the original.

I think one must be careful with this sort of analysis. The Hobbit was already a greatly beloved piece of literature in its own right, separate from The Lord of the Rings, which retains to this day a considerable fanbase. I fondly remember reading it well before LoTR, as a very young child. It may, therefore, be wrongheaded to conclude that it's success as a cinematic spectacle had to do with continuity of characters and what-not from the trilogy, as opposed to it's own merits as a work by JRR Tolkien set in Middle-Earth. It's actually very different in tone from the trilogy.

There is no widely beloved 'Young Aragorn' novel, that we can recall fondly from our childhood.

Film franchises are not exactly comparable to episodic prestige dramas, though I concede they are obviously far more so than computer games. My raising of Shadow of Mordor was not an attempt to argue games consoles and cinema are equivalent (clearly, they aren't), but rather to demonstrate that people out-there do enjoy Tolkien's fantasy world in its own right, independently of his characters.

Don't you think a sizable number, if not all, of the gamers in question would likewise be potential viewers of the Amazon TV series too? Might not the novelity of the computerized plot and characters, wet their appetite for something fresh on another medium?

If this Middle-Earth series really is going to be centered around 'Young Aragorn,' then we may find our respective standpoints put to the test in real-time. Which is to say, we will see the "historical" GoT spin-off show(s) competing head-to-head against the more familiar 'LoTR' prequel with its continuity of characters.

And, to this end, we will find ourselves in a position to asses how each one matches up to its original peer (taking into the account the TV/film differences, of course).

That should be interesting.

Here's a link to the latest update regarding the GoT spin-offs (for comparative purposes):


Game of Thrones Spinoffs Will Not Feature Current Characters But 'There May Be Familiar Bloodlines,' HBO Boss Says

The five Game of Thrones prequel spinoffs currently in development at HBO will not feature any existing characters, HBO president Casey Bloys confirms to TVLine. However, the exec is quick to add that “there may be [familiar] bloodlines” in the potential series.

Last May, HBO announced that it had deals with four writers — Carly Wray (Mad Men), Jane Goldman (X-Men), Brian Helgeland (Mystic River) and Max Borenstein (Godzilla, Kong: Skull Island) — to “explore different time periods of [George R.R. Martin]’s vast and rich universe." (It was later confirmed that the cabler is entertaining a fifth spinoff idea.)

Personally, I think they have the right idea. I'm positive that many, many Tolkien fans would long to see the day come when a production company delivers the immortal words: "we are going to explore different time periods of [JRR Tolkien]’s vast and rich universe". I'll be a bit peeved if the most likely outcome for the LoTR series (Young Aragorn) does come to pass. (Although, I'm sure I'll accustom myself to the reality...eventually.)

Milking the one cow for too long will eventually result in an empty udder. Even if the cow in question happens to have proved its worth as a cash cow in the past Wink

(This post was edited by Althoun on Apr 23 2018, 4:05pm)

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