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Eldorion
Gondor


Apr 21, 10:58pm


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Rings and things


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Are you of the opinion that temptation doesn't amount to an "affect"?


I think that, taken in context, Aragorn is the most likely subject of the tweet, but insofar as the semantic discussion is concerned I think it's possible to describe someone who was tempted by the Ring but resisted it relatively easily as "unaffected". Even in the case of Bombadil, an argument can be made that the Ring exerted some temptation, however minor and momentary. You observe (astutely, in my opinion) that:


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Every time one is tempted by the Ring, they seem to grow taller and terrible to behold, with gleaming eyes. Gandalf and Galadriel underwent the same temptation and overcame it much like Aragorn.


And if we look at the passage wherein Tom holds the Ring (FOTR, I 7):


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It seemed to grow larger as it lay for a moment on his big brown-skinned hand. Then suddenly he put it to his eye and laughed. For a second the hobbits had a vision, both comical and alarming, of his bright blue eye gleaming through a circle of gold. Then Tom put the Ring round the end of his little finger and held it up to the candlelight. For a moment the hobbits noticed nothing strange about this. Then they gasped. There was no sign of Tom disappearing!


My emphasis in both cases. Wink Now, clearly, if Tom was indeed tempted by the Ring he overcame it easier than probably any other character, so I don't think this interpretation is inconsistent with Tolkien's comment in Letter 153. To be sure, one could argue the semantic point differently, but honestly I would be surprised if the choice of words in the tweet had nearly this amount of thought put into it.


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The GoT spin-offs, which are all prequels, will be set in the same universe (i.e. Westeros or Essos) but in a time period far removed from that of the original series, such that none of the main characters whom viewers have grown to love, will be reappearing or reprising their roles.


I think this makes the GOT spin-offs relatively risky bets, and neither Amazon, HBO, nor anyone else knows how well they will pay off yet. As to the other comparisons, while I did not personally like The Hobbit films very much, even the least successful of them (Battle of the Five Armies) made more money than the first Fantastic Beasts movie. I'm not gonna try to argue for a one-to-one relationship between box office returns and the presence of previously-known characters because there are a ton of other factors at play, but I don't think that Shadow of Mordor is a great comparison. Part of the appeal of games--especially open world games--is getting to create your own personal version of the story through your choices as the main character. The Shadow games put even more emphasis on this through what they call the Nemesis system, which creates customized orcish opponents based on the player's actions. I think it's an inherently different experience than watching movies or TV series.


(This post was edited by Eldorion on Apr 21, 11:11pm)


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Post edited by Eldorion (Gondor) on Apr 21, 11:11pm


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