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Jan 6 2018, 1:53am

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I agree, but...

That's a hard one to revise without a rewrite of The Silmarillion since Orcs show up well before the awakening of Men. We can suppose that Morgoth experimented on captured Men as well and folded those results into his Orcs later.

Agree but there are those, and I am one, who really doubt that The Silmarillion would exist in its present form if JRRT had done his final, final revision himself instead of inconsiderately Wink dying and leaving it to CRT to do so. Some sites actually refer to it as "Sil77" to denote dubiety. I don't go that far, myself, but one does wonder. I agree that JRRT was approaching mixing Elvish and Mannish ancestry to the Orcs, but according to Humphrey Carpenter, he was even edging towards a purely mannish ancestry for them when he was "surpris'd by death." IIRC

We are the fighting Uruk-Hai! We slew the great warrior! Well, yeah, first he killed a bunch of us and another whole lot of Mauhr's lads, and we had to shoot enough arrows into him to drop a Mmak. But we got him!

(This post was edited by Attalus on Jan 6 2018, 1:54am)

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Post edited by Attalus (Lorien) on Jan 6 2018, 1:54am

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