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Eruonen
Half-elven


Sep 8 2017, 8:38pm


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Honestly, you think to deeply on this -

"What I don't see, getting back to our topic, is any connection between El-, elen- (star) and the Greek name Helen, which may (at a guess, according to linguistic authorities) relate to the word for torch or perhaps the moon - neither connotes the sense of brightness and minuteness that characterizes stars in Tolkien's Elvish world."

**I did not say Tolkien used the Greek Elen as his root but that both words have suggestive meanings --

Elenna - The name meant 'Starwards.
What is the shape of Numenor / Elenna? - Star shaped.

Elen....Welsh....USAGE: Welsh PRONOUNCED: EL-en celestial, fire, light, nature, weather
Elen...Greek

len
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Pronunciation of Elen [elen] as a girls' name is of Welsh and Greek origin, and the meaning of Elen is "sun ray". Welsh and Scandinavian form of Helen and hence closely related to the English name Ellen. The Welsh word elen means "nymph" though this is unlikely to be the origin of the name as it is found in early Welsh texts as the equivalent of Helen, the name of the mother of Constantine, Also form of Eleanor.

ASSOCIATED WITH greek, sun (star), scandinavian, nymph (goddess)


Read more at http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Elen#XjZi6EQfC8cllebK.99

"I admit I'm at a loss for how tinu, one of the three words in Sindarin that denote star in some form (the others, more common, are gil- and el-), can be linked etymologically to the other Indo-European words you listed, all of which are built around a 'tahr-' base."

***They all begin with T - I never said they were linked but that have commonality.


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