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May 10 2016, 7:58am

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Re: Wow, where do I begin?

PEEVE 1 - The dwarves knocked down the trolls, knocked the teeth out of one of them, and were basically winning until the trolls grabbed Bilbo and threatened to rip his arms off. And even IF the trolls hadn't made any dent, that's no excuse for the dwarves to lay down their arms, knowing that that would only end with them being cooked and eaten. My logic is sound. The solution that I offered, would have been congruent to Peter Jackson's desire to make the dwarves look tough while not veering too far away from the text. Which is why I "went there". Thorin just wouldn't have sacrificed everybody when the best chance Bilbo had of NOT being eaten (forgetting about Gandalf) was for Thorin to keep fighting.

2. My point is if Thorin and Dwalin didn't care about being faced with a hundred orcs in the last movie, because they knew they could kill them, it would have made more sense for them to stand their ground against Azog and his twenty orcs, when there were fourteen of them of them. They had just killed a hundred goblins getting out of the Misty Mountais, they knew they were tough. The only one of that warg pack that was a real threat was Azog. Even Bilbo was able to kill one of the huge orcs without any fight experience. My point is reinforced by the fact that when the dwarves left the tree to help Thorin, they took down a number of warg scouts very easily before the eagles showed up.

3. Where did I say it ruined the movie for me? Nowhere. Moving on.

4. Since neither of us care about the romance subplot, there's not much pointing harping on it. I think the whole jealousy arc did Legolas a disservice. It was just clumsy.

5. Letting someone you know you don't trust with your children's lives, watch over them anyway is even worse. It's one thing to let Alfrid be given small tasks to redeem himself. But whether Bard trusted Alfrid or not, his choice to hand over to Alfrid such a responsibility, less than twenty four hours after hearing Alfrid threaten to kill somebody over a blanket was foolish. Period.

6. If Bard knew that those dwarves were going to waken the dragon, he should have taken his children out of town IMMEDIATELY. While the dwarves were heading to Misty Mountains, Bard could have been paddling away in the boat. I judge Tolkien's Bard different from the movie Bard, because Tolkien's Bard was the captain of the guard and thus it was his duty to stay and defend the town. Daddy Bard should have gotten his kids away as soon as he knew that the dwarves were going to be allowed to go to Erebor, even if he himself decided to remain to shoot arrows.

7. The Hobbit could have been a twenty hour movie and I would have watched and enjoyed the whole thing provided that it was always true to the spirit of the book. I don't mind taking liberty with text. Many of Peter Jackson's liberties with Lord of the Rings, I enjoyed tremendously. I liked the first two Hobbit movies a lot. The last one, so completely delved into fan fiction as start becoming unrecognizable (to me) as the Hobbit. The best moments were always, when PJ stuck to the source. I feel if Peter Jackson had been given a smaller budget, and more constraints (such as two films) he would have actually done a better job with the story, rather than trying to solve most of his cinematic problems by throwing money at them, or with gratuitous cgi.

(This post was edited by Ataahua on May 10 2016, 7:03pm)

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Post edited by Ataahua (Superuser) on May 10 2016, 7:03pm

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