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CaptainObvious
Llednevir

May 8 2016, 7:34am


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I wish the movies hadn't turned the characters into morons for the sake of the plot...

Little things that Peter Jackson did inadvertently made these characters come across as buffoons. And they drove me crazy. I'm looking to see if anyone agrees with me (though I'm prepared for a debate).

PEEVE #1: Thorin and the company put down their swords when the troll says, "Lay down your arms, or we'll rip his off!"
Yes I KNOW in the book the trolls capture the goblins, setting up the whole "Dawn will take you all..." bit. But I doubt Tolkien's Thorin would have in point of fact laid down his arms if he'd had the tactical advantage that movie Thorin did. Especially when it is revealed in BOFA that these dwarves are more than capable of killing a bunch of trolls. Thorin would not have given up his advantage, especially when he knew trolls weren't trustworthy. Better to avenge one unfortunate hobbit then risk everyone ending up in a stew.

The Sensible Character Thing To Do: Not have Thorin lay down his arms. Instead, Thorin should have said, "Surrender the hobbit, and we will let you live. Refuse and we will kill every last one of you."
You may go, "Hold on, Thorin needed Bilbo to be his burglar." But Thorin wasn't even convinced Bilbo should be along for the ride. He had already said to Gandalf he wouldn't guarantee Bilbo's safety, precisely because of a situation like the trolls. He wasn't going to risk the quest for one burglar of dubious capabilities (more on this later).
The Sensible Thing Peter Jackson Should Have Done: A very subtle tweak could have been to this scene which would have fade far more sense. Book Thorin never would have laid down his arms for Bilbo at that point in the story, but what if the trolls had gotten their hands on Fili or Kili? Thatís different. Those are Thorinís nephews. The children of his beloved sister. His heirs. The future of Erebor. For THEM, it would have made more sense for Thorin to throw down his arms, and for all the other dwarves to be cool with doing the same thing.

PEEVE #2: Everyone runs up a burning tree from Azog and his twenty orcs, even when itís been well established they can easily kill hundreds of them.
In Battle of the Five Armies, there's a groan inducing scene where Thorin sees a bunch of orcs running towards him and he says, "There's no more than a hundred. Dwalin and I can handle this." Way to remove all tension from a scene, Peter Jackson. If each dwarf in the Company can kill 50 orcs each, thatís 650 orcs. Azog had maybe twenty orcs with him when he chased the company down the hill. And they had a wizard who could kill at least a hundred if not more. During this series, we've seen everyone from tiny toddlers and preteens to wimpy Bilbo kill huge hulking orcs. Theyíre just not that tough. If these dwarves according to PJ logic are able to turn the tide of an entire battle simply by running out of a fortress, there is no excuse for them to run from Azog.
What Peter Jackson Should have Done: Not have Thorin say that line in BOTFA which cheapened the actions of the dwarves in earlier movies and made them look like idiots. Not have the dwarves come out of the burning tree to easily kill those orcs, thus establishing that the dwarves were dumb to climb up the tree to begin with. Don't make these dwarves so damn powerful. Even Aragorn limped after a battle scene.

PEEVE # 3: When Balin in Desolation of Smaug yells, "Bilbo!"
Really? The oldest, wisest dwarf in the company is going to act like an idiot and risk giving them all away?
What Peter Jackson Should Have Done: Have Ori yell that line, and then have Balin or Thorin tell Ori to be quiet. Oriís the youngest dwarf. It would have made more sense. I suspect the only reason Peter Jackson had Balin say it, was because he liked Ken Stott and wished he had more for him to do (me too).
Pet Peeve 4: Legolas was instantly jealous of Tauriel and Kili for no reason.

Way to destroy Legolas character. While part of me likes the idea of the whole Legolas has an arc where he goes from a douche to being a good person, the execution was horrible.

What Peter Jackson Should Have Done: Not have that silly subplot. And killed Tauriel at the Battle of Five Armies. Her relationship with Legolas needed no fleshing out. The audience would have immediately assumed she and Legolas was a thing, cause she was the hot female elf. If she had simply conducted herself as a proper soldier, it would have been far better. Then when she died in battle (I wish) there could have been ONE shot of Legolas mourning her, thus giving insight to Legolas character and adding some romance to the Hobbit without being silly and gratuitous.

PEEVE #4: Smaug looks Bilbo right in the eye and says, "You care about them (the Laketown people). Then you can watch them die!"

Really? Smaug spends forty minutes trying to kill Bilbo, and then looks Bilbo right in his very visible face and doesn't kill him? Come on. That's just out of character for both of them. The whole scene as Jackson had it, would have made more sense simply if Smaugh COULDNíT see Bilbo. Hence the whole taking it out on Laketown instead.

What Peter Jackson Should Have Done: Stuck to the book. Duh. Bilbo wouldn't have taken off the ring anywhere near Smaug's vicinity, due to his aversion to being fried to a hobbity crisp. And that dwarf chase was bonkers.

PEEVE #5: Everyone trusted Alfrid.
Bard trusted Alfrid with his own family. Bard trusts Alfrid to keep watch. Gandalf trusted Alfrid to look after BIlbo. These are supposed to be the smartest people in the book. And they're idiots. It's a good thing Alfrid wasn't in FOTR. Everyone would be giving him the ring to take to Mount Doom.

PEEVE #6: Movie Bard knew a dragon was coming and didnít get his family out of town.
Really? What would you have done?
What Peter Jackson Should Have Done: Instead of having Bard getting arrested, one of many possible solutions would have been to have a scene where Bard is taking his kids and leaving town when his kids convince Bard to stay, because heís the only one who can save the town from the dragon. Cause if your kids were saying, ďAre we going to de?,Ē I think you'd most likely say, ďNope. Pack your bags.Ē That family totally would have had a head start if they had left at that point. Smaug was still chasing the dwarves.


PEEVE #7: The dwarves kept casually talking to each other during the climactic battle in Battle of The Five Armies.
Really? There were moments in that big battle where it seemed like the dwarves were out for a leisurely stroll instead of fighting the ultimate battle for their lives and the future of Middle Earth. They were hugging and joking around with each other, which totally destroyed tension, sapped energy out of the scene, and completely damaged the credibility of the threat they were facing.
What Peter Jackson Should Have Done: Not made three movies. He clearly had too much filler. Instead of one hour long bore fest, he could have had an intense ten minute final battle to wrap things up.


(This post was edited by CaptainObvious on May 8 2016, 7:41am)


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Post edited by CaptainObvious (Llednevir) on May 8 2016, 7:36am
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