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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Sep 21 2014, 8:24am


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4th Age Kings.. or a tangent on the Thranduil going West discussion

The Thranduil going West discussion had been interesting to say the least (and of course, I'm hoping it's ongoing and vanima will continue where we left off).

But meantime, I came across this image and found it interesting. The Kings/Kingdoms of ME at the beginning of the FA:

1. Aragorn, King of Men and the Reunited Kingdom
2. Eomer, King of Rohan
3. Thranduil, King of Eryn Lasgalen
4. Thorin III, King Under The Mountain
5. Bard II, King of Dale
6. Anyone missing?

Got me thinking: with all that happens in BotFA and in LotR, which of course includes the War of the Ring, what is the diplomacy and relations these Kings maintain in FA?

Thranduil might establish ties with Men since this is Aragorn we're talking about, or least Gondor since Legolas does establish the Elf settlement in Minas Tirith. But he did it with Gimli's company. How does that reflect/indicate effects/influences on Eryn Lasgalen's diplomatic ties with Erebor since Thorin III is Dain's son? Though factoring in Thranduil's having made peace with Thorin at the end, I suppose relations were on the positive, rather than negative side of the balance anyway. Maybe frosty and formal but if they passed each other out in the Wild, there would at least be cursory nods all round. Though I think there's practical considerations involved. Unless Thranduil's people learnt themselves some good blacksmithing abilities, the finer requirements of weaponry at least might still need to be farmed out, and who else better than Erebor to commission?

With Dale, and also Lake-town, things would continue to be friendly due to Bard's alliance with Thranduil in BoFa. The wine delivery system continues to rock, and Dale/Lake-town would probably be in boom times, having both the custom of Erebor and Eryn Lasgalen.

Though the Shire came under Aragorn's rule, they're like an autonomous region unto themselves. With the positive impressions Thranduil had of Bilbo, and Legolas' association with the famous four in the Fellowship, would there be any ties between the Shire and Eryn Lasgalen?

What intrigues me the most though, is what about the other Elven realms of Rivendell, Lothlorien and the Grey Havens? With the departure of the Keepers/Rulers of those Elven realms, where do the ones who chose not to depart go? There may not be many, but there will be some, especially the Sindar of Lothlorien. I think, and we've sort of mentioned this in the discussion on Thranduil going West, this may be where Thranduil found himself, at least for a time, the King of a growing Elven population. Certainly, it is not organic growth, and with a shrunken realm, maybe Thranduil would feel the pressures of sustaining his people. So perhaps some of these Elves might settle with Legolas' Elven outpost... or would this be one reason for Legolas to strike out? Though if Elves from other realms join Eryn Lasgalen, I guess there'd be some suitable talents and the pressures of getting good weaponry work done in-Forest might be somewhat relieved.

Going back to the Kingdoms of Men, I suppose the general population of both the Reunited Kingdom and Rohan might be in for a bit of surprise to have myth come to life when they begin to see Elves in their midst. Not often and still not easily of course since Elves are not inclined to non-Elf company. though I'd suppose with Rohan's closer affinity with horses and nature, they might be preferred company of Elves who venture into the lands of Man.

Additionally, and this is mixing movie-verse I know, but given Thranduil's interest in orchid cultivationSmile, would Thranduil travel or send diplomatic missions further east and south than the other kingdoms are wont to? Or is such a clear line drawn that no one among the Free Peoples would deign to say "Hi" and dispense friendship bands in those directions?

Thought?


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(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Sep 21 2014, 8:38am)


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Post edited by Lurker in the Mirk (Valinor) on Sep 21 2014, 8:34am
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