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The One Ring Forums: Tolkien Topics: Movie Discussion: The Hobbit: About the Balrog, I think it more a matter of ambitions than brains. : Edit Log


Dec 24 2013, 8:26am

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About the Balrog, I think it more a matter of ambitions than brains.

I don't think there was anything wrong with their thinking capacity, and it is one of the complaints I have that the films focused so much on the animalistic force and all but forgot about the sorcerous powers of the Demons of Might. Ungoliante took the form of a spider who was interested in doing nothing other than sucking up life and light.... but she had the foresight to distrust Melkor, and to keep all eyes on him, to anticipate that he would try to shake her loose once his goal was achieved, and to hold him to the tecnicalities of his agreement.

So I don't think the Balrogs, for all the slighting, lacked the wherewithal... just the drive for that level of dominion and responsibility. lol

I don't think an ancient evil like that, one present at and involved in the making of the world, would need anything spelled out for him like a two year old.

As long as Smaug had his gold, he would be mostly content, and why would Sauron try to rob him after all???

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Saruman was as ambitious as Sauron, thus dangerous, and one not to be trusted.

Melkor would have been self defeating, and was I think. He seemed totally Nihilistic at times. He wanted to rule, at any cost, even if was only ashes. Not a smart way to go.

Good points about the Balrog! He seemed to be too small minded to really become a world dominating power. He had the brawn and looks, not the brain or ambition. He seems to really be useful to organize small groups and lead the rank and file.

Dragons seem to want gold and destruction. Smaug seemed pretty cozy on his mound of gold. He seems to act like a an addict in some ways. He does things selfishly, and to further his own agenda and habit. More gold, food, comfort, and my wants. They don't seem to want to rule either, just consume. A bit like Ungoliant.

Sauron could have used these, given time, but I am sure that they would be pretty difficult to rope in, or hold in check. The Balrog would have to be daunted and made to see the larger picture. His thinking would have to be done for him, I think! The dragon might come willingly, but he would be a loose cannon, and a dangerous force in your rear. If he got upset, he could make a huge mess. He would also have to be humored and cozened, and convinced to do what you say, by making him think it was in his interest. He might be more work than its worth.

One it all settled down, though, I think that a stable arrangement could be found. Balrog could he a regional commandant, and Smaug could be let loose wherever he wants to pillage and get lazy and fat.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on Dec 24 2013, 8:30am)

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