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Sep 24 2013, 2:45am

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Better late than never...

Along with the Prologue about Dale, Erebor, and Thorin, this chapter is not in the book. It serves as a second/continuing introduction to the movie before we reach the book start, with the meeting of young Bilbo and Gandalf.

1) Did you like this introduction, why or why not?

I like the fact that they included the first line of the book, and then they go on to describe as to what kind of hole, because when you first hear the line: In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit... you might think it's the kind of hole that moles like to live in.

2) How did you feel about the inclusion of Frodo in this scene? It's a good way to show the audience who will be Bilbo's successor, and I wasn't expecting to find out that it was actually Frodo that put that sign on the front gate (at first, I thought it was Bilbo).

3) What purpose do you feel it serves, why do you think the filmmakers chose to include this scene? Perhaps to show the audience the interaction between Bilbo and Frodo, and what their life was like before coming across a certain ring that will end up changing their lives forever.

4) Do you feel it is a problem for audience members not familiar with Middle Earth to be shown Bilbo survived? I don't see why not, since if they're curious as to how and why they can always read the books or watch the previous movies.

The Prologue gave us an introduction to what Dwarves are like, and in what sorts of places and how they live. This scene does not do so for Hobbits to nearly the extent FotR (even the TE) did.

5) Did you feel a bit more on Hobbits was needed? Why or why not? Not really, since you don't want to give too much away, just give those viewers a glimpse into what Hobbits value and show them what Bilbo is leaving behind when he decides to go on an adventure of a lifetime.

Both this scene and the prologue are clearly scenes of Old Bilbo working on his book about his adventures. He starts writing the prologue at night. (Candle, night outside). The scene we are discussing is set during daytime.

6) Do you think Bilbo has been up all night writing? Or do you think these scenes are further apart? Possibly. Maybe he didn't want to leave it until morning in case he might forget an important detail.

The prologue ended with Thorin hammering at an anvil and a fade to black. This scene opens on an exterior scene of the Shire in daylight, with a view of the Hill and the Water. All we hear are birds chirping. There is no music

7) Is this an effective way to open the scene? Why or why not? I think it is, since we get to see what kind of a place Bag End is, and what Bilbo was like before he went on an adventure that ended up labeling him as a bit of an oddball.

In this scene we see Hobbiton and of Bag End, familiar sights for LotR film fans.

8) How did they look to you? Feel free to comment on what you liked or disliked about how Hobbiton and Bag End appeared. It was nice to see Hobbiton on screen again after ten years. I'm glad we got to see a little more of Bag End than we saw in the LotR movies, because I was always curious as to what the rest of Bag End looked like.

In this scene we see two characters very familiar to LotR film fans, Bilbo and Frodo.

9) How did they look to you? Feel free to comment on what you liked or disliked about seeing these characters, their interactions, and their appearance.

I was wondering who put that sign up that read: No admittance except on party business.

We see Frodo rummaging through Bilbo's things, finding the old sketch of Young Bilbo, a helmet, some sort of curved pointy thing (a claw? A horn?).

10) Did you find any of these intriguing? Which? What do you think they are? Did I miss any interesting items? I was curious about the helmet. At first glance I thought it might have belonged to one of the dwarves (I guess we'll have to wait until TABA to find out).

The dialogue includes references to one small treasure chest that still smells of Troll, and to Lobelia making off with silverware. Readers of the book can guess from these references that certain book scenes will be in the films.

11) Are there any other references I missed? And, did you like these hints of things to come? I recall Old Bilbo mentioning something about looking after Lobelia after he's gone to somewhere quiet (Rivendell) to finish his book (though he probably didn't want to reveal this to Frodo so that he didn't upset the lad). I don't mind references to things that will happen in later years, though it may make anyone new to the films (or books) a bit curious about those events and want to learn more about them.

The dialogue makes clear that we are seeing a scene from earlier in the day of the Long Expected Party in FotR.

12) Why do you think the filmmakers chose this day for this scene? Perhaps it didn't really fit in with the party scene in FotR, so they thought that they would include it here, to show us more interaction between Bilbo and Frodo.

13) Do you like this choice? I don't find anything wrong with it.

14) Putting yourself into the shoes of a viewer new to the books and films, what do you think such a viewer might make of this conversation? (The party? A veiled suggestion there is something Bilbo is hiding from his Frodo? That Bilbo is becoming odd and unsociable?) Maybe that there's a little more to Bilbo that meets the eye, sort of like Frodo in later years.

The scene ends after Frodo leaves, with Bilbo sitting outside on the bench and smoking his pipe. He is describing himself in the days before his adventure - always on time, entirely respectable, nothing unexpected ever happened. The title “An Unexpected Journey” appears over Bilbo's smoke ring.

15) What did you think of this way of ending the scene? It's a good way to tie these movies into those of the LotR trilogy, since most of us know already that Old Bilbo and Gandalf blow smoke rings in FotR.

Far over the Misty Mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away, ere break of day
To find our long-forgotten gold.

(This post was edited by Queen of Erebor on Sep 24 2013, 2:47am)

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Post edited by Dwarewien (Rohan) on Sep 24 2013, 2:47am

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