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Cirashala
Valinor


Sep 22 2013, 9:22pm


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My thoughts

1) Did you like this introduction, why or why not?

I think it was a good way to bring people back into the Middle-earth we were introduced to with LOTR.

2) How did you feel about the inclusion of Frodo in this scene?

It wasn't bad, though Wood's pronunciation of Gandalf drove me nuts. But then again, it drove me nuts in FOTR too. I may be an American, but when in a world everyone pronounces Gandalf as Gand-olf and he is the only one who pronounces it as Gand-alf (I believe the linguistic term is soft 'a' in the first one like a British pronunciation, whereas the harder 'a' is definitely too much of an American accent), with the emphasis on the second syllable as opposed to the first one, it can bring one out of the story. The worst part is that he speaks in a fairly British sounding accent with every other word. In fact, though I am American, I pronounce it Gand-olf like everyone else, because linguistically that is how the word should be read.

But that might be a nitpick on my part. Still drives me crazy Crazy

3) What purpose do you feel it serves, why do you think the filmmakers chose to include this scene?

Like I mentioned above, I believe it is a way to help bring us back into Middle-earth, and to connect the two trilogies after such a long gap between the making of the two. Many of us (me included) weren't old enough to see it the first time when it came out (or, in my case, had parents who hated Tolkien thinking his works were evil because of magic, and since I was only 13, it's not like I could go see it for myself, even if I had known about it)

I thought it wasn't a bad idea, though at the same time I think that the very first part to introduce us with Old Bilbo writing could have been sufficient enough. However, it did do well at showing us in more depth just how MUCH the journey changed Bilbo- more scatterbrained instead of mentally organized, more messy instead of neat and tidy, less sociable than before.

4) Do you feel it is a problem for audience members not familiar with Middle Earth to be shown Bilbo survived?

No, because later on in AUJ though Gandalf does not say that he WILL come back, he will indicate that he won't be the same. Most people with a shred of intelligence can pick up that he will come back, but be different. I suppose some people might think that he will die, but I don't think it was a huge detraction. I believe there is plenty of suspense already without adding to it. They are facing a dragon, for heaven's sake! Shocked

5) Did you feel a bit more on Hobbits was needed? Why or why not?

No, I think FOTR summed that up nicely. It would have been redundant. If rumors are true, the EE will feature the marketplace and the old Took's birthday, and I think between the 3 we will be able to sufficiently determine that dwarves and hobbits are vastly different (and if one cannot, then they are either very unintelligent or blind/deaf, which would beg the question as to why they are watching a movie in the first place Crazy).

6) Do you think Bilbo has been up all night writing? Or do you think these scenes are further apart?

I agree with a previous poster on here- the darkness in the window looked ever so slightly blue, as though it wasn't complete darkness. I have woken up incredibly early in the morning before (usually when we would leave at 4 am on road trips as a kid to maximize drive time when the sky was just beginning to lighten), and that looked like the early hours just before dawn. I don't think he was up all night per se, but perhaps he had trouble sleeping with his urge to get it written down, and simply gave up on sleep and got up. Having a sleep disorder myself, the temptation to just get up at 4 am hits me often (though I usually just put on a sleep mask and keep trying anyway Crazy because, ya know, I am stubborn like that...)

7) Is this an effective way to open the scene? Why or why not?

Absolutely. I loved how they did the transition from the first scene to this one! It really emphasized the quietness and peacefulness of the Shire, and was a strong indicator of what exactly Bilbo would be risking should he choose to run out his door. Smile

8) How did they look to you? Feel free to comment on what you liked or disliked about how Hobbiton and Bag End appeared.

I absolutely LOVED seeing Hobbiton again! If there was anything that indicated to me that I was back in Middle-earth, it was both the opening music and seeing the Hill at the beginning of this scene. I had returned to Middle-earth, and I felt as giddy as a kid on the day of the first snowfall, or Christmas morning Laugh

9) How did they look to you?

Well, it was impossible to NOT notice that they were older than they were before. I think I could see far more of Elijah's five o'clock shadow through the makeup, and Holm's blue lips made me want to call an ambulance thinking he was having a heart attack or something Crazy I didn't mind Holm's wig-I can justify it by saying that he got up and didn't bother to shower or brush his hair before he began to write- a nice touch, actually, since young Bilbo's feet were specifically described by Tolkien as being neatly brushed, and Old Bilbo is most definitely not as concerned with his appearance as before. I don't think they did the best job of de-aging and makeup in this scene, to be honest.

10) Did you find any of these intriguing? Which? What do you think they are? Did I miss any interesting items?

*SPOILERS for TABA*

I liked that they showed sting in its sheath, and how Frodo rummaged through it curiously. It shows non-verbally that Frodo is interested in adventure-something that is rather important in FOTR when Bilbo comments on why he adopted Frodo. It was nice for LOTR firsters to be able to "see" that same trait Bilbo saw. I think the horn/pointy thing was probably one of Smaug's claws, the helm was likely a dwarf helm (judging by it's head size as opposed to Frodo's head), or possibly an orc helm-one Bilbo slew perhaps? As for the sword, I know a lot of people believe it to be one of Fili's, but if I recall correctly their weapons were buried with them. Also, it isn't quite the same shape. To me it looks like the Troll's knife (William? Tom? Can't remember). Another nice momento to his first "battle".


11) Are there any other references I missed? And, did you like these hints of things to come?

I do like them, because it shows Bilbo as being slightly more "dwarf" minded than he was at first. Later on, we see him annoyed about pottery being thrown-very hobbity. But, now we see him upset that SILVER spoons were stolen-very dwarf-like Laugh

12) Why do you think the filmmakers chose this day for this scene?

It makes more sense than any other day I think. It is also a good way to basically "end" this trilogy on the heels of the other, and shows Bilbo reflecting on his past as he begins to plan for retirement.

13) Do you like this choice?

Yes, I do.

14) Putting yourself into the shoes of a viewer new to the books and films, what do you think such a viewer might make of this conversation?

I love that it really shows just how much Bilbo has changed. It is a large difference from him commenting that he didn't mind visitors (as long as he knew them first lol Wink) to specifically saying he refused to have visitors. Another big change from being hobbity.

15) What did you think of this way of ending the scene?

I LOVED IT!!! It was a great way to transition from old Bilbo to young Bilbo. I also loved the way he is talking about how he was so and so, and then the title An Unexpected Journey comes up-telling you that something is about to change, and it is going to be a BIG change. It also shows that Old Bilbo has no regrets about his past, indicating that, though he was opposed to it at first, he wouldn't go back and change it for the world.

*SPOILER TABA AGAIN*

(Though I have a feeling there are 3 certain friends he wouldn't mind still being alive, and probably would have liked to have changed that Frown)


Race is meaningless. We all bleed red-no matter who or what we are. What matters is the heart. For each race has those with good hearts and those with bad hearts. You have a good heart. You do not deserve to die.

(This post was edited by Cirashala on Sep 22 2013, 9:26pm)


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Post edited by Cirashala (Valinor) on Sep 22 2013, 9:26pm


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