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Grey Havens

Jun 16 2013, 4:18pm

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Nature & Comparison

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The ring as a test of character? It may be that for a while, such as it was with the Hobbits, but ultimately, I believe it is Tom's being or intrinsic nature that is defining.

I agree that it's Tom's nature that is defining in his unaffectedness by the Ring - but rather his human nature so to speak (or rather his character... struggling to find an English equivalent for the word in my native language). All in all, because of the unique characteristics given to him in one of JRRT's letters, as an observer who unlike others doesn't wish to 'do' anything with the knowledge he has. For me that's quite independent on his origins, on 'what' he is, and he can happily be a Maia of a one-of-a-kind temperament for me.

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She knew it was more powerful than her will or her nature. As it should be with Maiar against Noldar -

I'm not sure I understand you - what should there be with Maiar against Noldor?

Heh, I'm not going to accept the twisting of my use of "nature" to mean character - the very thing I argue against - but nice Orwellian try with that one. Tongue

In "Maiar against Noldar," I meant that the One Ring has the essence of Sauron, a Maiar. In a contest between a Maiar like Sauron and a Noldar elf like Galadriel, Sauron wins handily and mightily. It was also a sly reference to AinurOlorin's persistent and well-argued discussions on these forums about how the writers of The Hobbit appear to be making Gandalf, a Maiar, subservient to Galadriel in the name of Boyen's "feminine power," contrary to the spirit of Tolkien, the factual history of Middle-earth, and the lineage of the various races. AinurOlorin doesn't like the emasculation of Gandalf simply to artificially elevate Galadriel. Neither do I. It's not even in the feminist ideal to elevate a woman at the expense of a man because it is still conditional on men being more equal than women. It is the wrong sort of lesson for feminism.

(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Jun 16 2013, 4:19pm)

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