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May 8 2013, 5:29pm

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Some biosphere thoughts

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2. Do you buy into this concept of the biosphere of arda, that the Elves and the Edain are not just inhabitants, but forces for health within it, like the rain and the wind?
Does this macro view make you feel differently about what is healthy for this world? Does it make you reconsider any of your previous assessments of the Valar, Elves, or Edain?
Does it make anything that happens more meaningful, or less meaningful?
Does this biosphere concept impact any thinking you've had in the previous segment regarding suffering?

I do find it an interesting concept, but I see it from a different perspective: that the biosphere changes don't occur because of the awakening of the Edain, but by the way the world is nourished: through the new Sun.

The old Arda, under the Elves, was sort of 'sleeping' I think (as the Secondborn still were). Lorien and Este (In the Blessed 'Feedback' section) ask for some darkness and starlight as the constant light has disrupted the sleep in Arda - so in my mind that starlight and nighttime equates to a restful, sleeping era (Varda makes the change, very much like one of our good Modar...). The new Arda, as Men awaken, under the fallen but blazing light of the Sun, also awakens with clouds and waterfalls (implying rains) and an explosion of growth. This brings to mind an interesting biological analogy for me...
(...especially having read Squire's link to the biology of Arda discussion. The lack of UV light for example allowing for longer telomeres on the caps of Elven DNA strands, providing for long, un-mutated replications and life spans but not changing the gamete mixing between Elf and Men. The exposure of Men to the sun, shortening the DNA strand and limiting their life-span. Merely an amusing speculative foray into fantasy biology. It would perhaps explain Cirdan's beard, having long exposure to the Sun at his great age he experienced a mutation! But that is all a whimsical side note.)...
...Back to topic: the Sun sped up the rate of growth, woke up the olvar and kelvar more than they had been before, so that's why I think the years seem to fly by faster, yet be richer. So I don't think it is a sickness, but that life simply speeds up and wakes up - appropriate for a race to govern who IS limited by time, and *must* learn to use their time wisely, So here too I don't see it as negative, a disease-state or punitive, but part of the learning experiences needed to make the 'best' of the Secondborn and maybe the best creation of the next world according to Eru's vision. So maybe I see Arda as the growing and proving ground for the ultimate vision. Perhaps Arda isn't it.
The Sun of course is the second best light, the imperfect vision...but I don't think it is second-best for Men. For them I think it is ideal. I think the second-best refers to the Elven-centric Sil perspective (appropriate) and also from their lack of understanding of the nature of Men (after all the Gift puzzles them mightlily, doesn't it? To the point of envy.)

Might be fanciful but I see an optimism in here.

(“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo.
“So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”)

Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."

(This post was edited by Brethil on May 8 2013, 5:36pm)

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Post edited by Brethil (Half-elven) on May 8 2013, 5:36pm

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