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Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 13 2013, 6:13pm


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Many spoilers here. Re: who kills whom (?)


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... that Thorin gets to kill Azog and not the other way round. Actually, I could see it go either way. Thorin kills Azog, and then Bolg kills/mortally wounds Thorin before being offed by Beorn. Or, alternatively, Azog kills Thorin and is then killed by Dain, the Bolg/Beorn fight being something separate. Personally, I do hope it's more in vein of the first option. I mean, so far Thorin has not killed any significant foe, has he? Gandalf got the Goblin King, and Thorin didn't stand a chance against Azog when they did meet in AUJ. Bard gets to kill Smaug (I suppose, since that's the way it is in the book), and later Beorn kills Bolg (also, I suppose, because it's in the book). That leaves Thorin with...? Azog, presumably,


You laid it out very clearly. I want Thorin to have that satisfaction too.
This thread and all the options like one of Ro's ME Logic puzzles. (If A kills B and C isn't a Dwarf... and A has marvelous hair....)
If we do discard the familial relationship as has been suggested then two parallel vendettas can converge at BO5A. That gives us the appearance of Bolg and Azog both without a complicated story structure or the need for one to die to move forward. Closest to book (yes I credit Azog as a film insertion) and most satisfying would be Thorin gets Azog (is Azog's appearance what snaps Thorin out of the DS?) Bolg wounds Thorin, the Bodyguard kills the boys, Beorn bears Thorin away and then finishes off Bolg. (Thorin surving would be pretty darn satisfying too...but impure. I digress).
Hmm. Problem there is who or what is left for Dain? PJ is going to have to give Dain a big ol' heroic deed or we are just going to just hate it. REALLY hate it. Simply stomping (boaring?) about leading the charge after not supporting Thorin in the quest is just not enough.
1. So....what if both Orcs appear at BO5A
( Bolg first. Which consequently means Bolg will have to appear fairly early in DOS for the threat level to begin to rise. And we might see a "fell off a cliff" moment for Azogin DOS so his appearance at BO5A will be a surprise.) Then after Bolg is before the gate (?), making lots of noise (ie Thrain comments, etc.) and getting Thorin's attention Azog appears, after we all and Thorin (again) thought he was dead.

2. Thorin and Co. will spring from the Mountain (having seen Azog arrive, flashback of Azog and Thror snaps Thorin back to himself?). Both Orc storylines converge here and the Company led by Thorin faces them both. (Bolg bears some token of Thrain?) They do a heroic job of holding their own but cannot overcome either Orc and are pinned down. Thorin is wounded many times but stands. Both boys fall, one at a time. (sob)

3. Beorn suddenty appears and pulls down Bolg, settling that score. This gives Thorin the opening to strike at Azog. Azog falls .(yay. lumpy squiddy jerk)

4. It is Dain who carries Thorin from the fray to safety.
Yes Thorin sees the boys (sob again)

It gives Thorin a bit of personal victory before the end. True, he hasn't defeated any major foes yet, although he faced so many without fear; his legacy to date is leading his people to recovery and peace in the Blue Mountains. Which isn't nothing but doesn't get the blood pumping either.
Balin leaves for Moria, heartbroken ("my King is gone...") (sobbing continues)

It's all a puzzle now. We will need some more info clearly.
Having not read The Hobbit since Dec 10th I skimmed the last chapter this morning...anyone else finding this harder to read now? I sure am.

...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.

(This post was edited by Brethil on Feb 13 2013, 6:16pm)


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