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The One Ring Forums: Tolkien Topics: Movie Discussion: The Hobbit: Great questions!: Edit Log

Tol Eressea

Apr 26 2012, 2:54am

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Great questions!

I have been trained by RED Digital Cinema to use the RED Epic.

Later this year, I hope to own one... working on it.

Resolution is key, as is bit depth, the wavelet compression that RED RAW files use, how REDCODE RAW files look coming directly out of the camera vs. film etc. etc.

It is true that at these higher resolutions and bit depths the camera can be more unforgiving. But the information that is being captured does allow for manipulation in post that film could never touch. The higher frame rates are providing realistic motion without blurring.

As an editor by trade, I have seen first hand the RAW files that come from the RED camera are they are incredible... so much so that I believe, they (RED) have single handedly revolutionized the world of cinema. They were the first and are arguably the best in D-Cinema.

Peter Jackson is shooting 5K resolution, 16 bit RAW .r3d files (bit depth supplies a massive amount of information for detail) at 5:1 compression at 48fps and higher.

He is oversampling or getting way more information than he needs from his RED Epics.

The reason... the widest latitude possible in post.

When you shoot with a RED camera the RAW data (if properly exposed) actually looks flat. This is purposeful. The key is to properly expose. The RED camera is incredible in low light. The deep dark areas retain all of the detail even with limited to no lighting. This is something film was never really that great at. It is the highlights that DPs have to be careful with.

When taken into the Pablo finishing software, the amount of detail provided by those RED RAW (.r3d files) is virtually limitless.

From my knowledge of the camera and post workflow, I am going to go out on a limb and say that the content at CinemaCon was not meant to give people an accurate view of the final rendering, but to get them used to the idea of the 48fps - strictly from a motion standpoint.

It will be different than what people are used to seeing. It will be better than the fake higher frame rates that tv's offer. Why? Put simply TVs interpolate or create frames that never existed. They are constructed from algorithms that give you the idea but not the real effect. The frames that will be projected for The Hobbit were actually captured by the cameras and will be projected without any interpolation.

So why the negative reactions?

In my opinion:

A. Human nature likes gradual instead of major/abrupt change
B. People had a set of specific expectations going into the screening
C. Ultimately what they saw was not the finished product

I think that PJ is going for something beyond film and beyond TV.

This will be something that, truly, we have not seen before.

And that is polarizing to be sure. I find it exciting.

It remains to be seen whether audiences will buy into the idea or not.

I have high hopes for it.


Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

(This post was edited by Owain on Apr 26 2012, 3:00am)

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Post edited by Owain (Tol Eressea) on Apr 26 2012, 2:55am
Post edited by Owain (Tol Eressea) on Apr 26 2012, 2:56am
Post edited by Owain (Tol Eressea) on Apr 26 2012, 2:58am
Post edited by Owain (Tol Eressea) on Apr 26 2012, 3:00am
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