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Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet)
The Shire
Feb 3 2011, 6:16am
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I remember Jackson & co. talking (in the commentaries...I think?) that they couldn't find a good approximation of Rohan terrain in New Zealand. They talked about how they knew the country they filmed for Rohan did not match the Professor's descriptions, but felt it was the best they could do in country.
About the thread in general...
Is a brief shot of ball o' plates orc anymore outrageous than the glimpse of freakin' orc PODS from the Jackson-verse?.
I mean, come on.
Also, this idea that with GDT as director it was going to be his own personal vision at the expense of being true to the Professor's story isn't very fair.
Going back a year or two, there was an extensive Empire Magazine interview with both Jackson and Del Toro in which they discussed the project at length. I'd provide a link to to an online version but I can't find one There used to be scans that one could read but they've been taken down, alas. However, certain quotes from the interview do survive because they were quoted in the thread about the article. That thread's over at the site that ends with a 'C'. (okay to link to it or not? Anybody, anybody?)
Chew on this:
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PJ: We are doing stuff like that. It's not exactly as you describe, but we are trying to make the book a little less random. There is a little bit of deus ex machina in the kind of events that happen, because Professor Tolkien willed them to happen at that moment. There's not a lot of logic behind some of it. That's what you're dealing with a little bit with The Hobbit, the slightly younger...
GDT: ...fairy-tale world...
PJ: ...that it was aimed at. The cinema versions of these stories will be reasonably consistent. We try to smooth everything out and structure the films in such a way that nothing is random and nothing comes out of the blue in such a convenient way as it does two or three times during the novel.
GDT: Except when, if the idiosyncrasy in the book is a very iconic moment, then we'll do our best to preserve it. We can make that fairy-tale logic work as is.
Empire: Another problem is that Bilbo is largely unconscious during the battle of the five armies.
GDT: That's one of the idiosyncrasies that, from the get-go, I said, "That's one of the ones that we need to keep!" It's so unexpected. I think we're taking small tonal variations that are very beautiful. For example, unlike in the trilogy, where monsters were not often articulate, in The Hobbit, it's part of the book that trolls have very lengthy conversations. There are other idiosyncrasies that would not find themselves at home tonally in the trilogy. But we are moving the notches a little bit.
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Del Toro seems very enthusiastic there about the Bilbo being unconscious during the big battle. If that bit doesn't make into Jackson's movie, will a brief flash of an Orc Ball really seem so outrageous in hindsight? Put up with Orc Ball/but get Unconcious Bilbo. I'd take that over the reverse. Now, maybe Unconcious Bilbo is in Jackson's movie, and good ol' Pete always wanted it in, but it seems to me that Jackson & Co. might be more inclined to monkey with it. We are talking about the crew that gave us dumb changes in the name of increasing the 'dramatic tension' (or as they say in Kiwi, 'dramatic tinsion').
Also, I remember distinctly that Del Toro spoke in the interview about having the wargs be wolves in the movie because that's what Tolkien described (as opposed to the giant hyena critters from the Jackson-verse). I can't find that bit quoted in the thread, but the man said it!
So, anyway, to me, this sentiment that 'oh thank goodness he's gone, Jackson will do it right', is pretty bogus. It's not near so black and white. As per the quote, Del Toro seemed pretty jazzed about some of the book's "idiosyncrasies". I wonder how many will survive now that he's gone?
(This post was edited by Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet) on Feb 3 2011, 6:20am)
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