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Dipoles, confusions and things-you-are rather than things-you-use:
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noWizardme
Gondolin
May 17 2025, 10:22am
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Dipoles, confusions and things-you-are rather than things-you-use
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I think we're conflating Law as a creator of order (it creates rules) and Law as a creator of justice. A tyrant who has captured (or has been able to make himself) the legislature and the courts can do everything he wants legally, with out law being any longer about "justice, equality, restraint on vices..." The resulting society could be very ordered.
As to why Tolkien gives us
Dark Lord as tyrants who desire endless control for control's sake, but beneath them their minions indulge in Chaos
I suppose that depends on whether you regard Chaos as what you represent (if you are Melkor or Sauron or even Saruman do you have a feigned-cosmological role or job as Chaos or Tyrrany or whatever? )Or is chaos as a tool to use? As Game of Thrones put it - a gaping pit, or a ladder I think it would be possible to make a case for Saruman as a ladder guy, thinking that chaos can be created or exploited for gain. His pitch to Gandalf is that only he, Saruman can offer an escape from the chaos. But it's pretty clear where that will go.
I thin Sauron in the LOTR period doesn't beleive he serves anyone or anything but himself. Whether he is in fact being used as a tool in his turn is arguable.
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"I am not made for querulous pests." Frodo 'Spooner' Baggins.
(This post was edited by noWizardme on May 17 2025, 10:32am)
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Post edited by noWizardme
(Gondolin) on May 17 2025, 10:32am
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