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re feanor's age at the time of his father's wedding to indis:
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Maciliel
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Jul 28, 6:09pm
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re feanor's age at the time of his father's wedding to indis
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re feanor's age at the time of his father's wedding to indis
(definitely) many thanks for providing this silmarillion quote.
"the wedding of his father was not pleasing to Feanor; and he had no great love for indis, nor for Fingolfin and Finarfin, her sons.
in reading it closely, 'tho... does this passage definitively state that feanor was an adult at the time of the marriage? i think the phrasing and the verb tenses provide multiple interpretation.
"the wedding of his father was not pleasing to Feanor"
this could be interpreted as an adult feanor looking back on a wedding that had occurred in the past. it (of course) can also be interpreted as a statement about feanor as a child.
"...and he had no great love for indis"
similar -- could be said about an adult feanor's musings, or a child feanor's musings.
"...nor for Fingolfin and Finarfin, her sons."
this statement could very well be made by an adult feanor -- but not - by a child feanor before or at the approximate time of the wedding (because his brothers would not have been born yet). it could have been made about a child feanor about younger brothers who were eventually born from the marriage.
because all three phrases are part of the same sentence, a lot of weight could be given to the interpretation that all three phrases of this sentence are uttered by an individual speaking from a single time period. the interpretation that each of these phrases applies to feanor at differing ages is possible, but seems... odd.
perhaps there are indications elsewhere in tolkien's writings about feanor's age upon the marriage?
as you say, feanor does seem to be in a class of his own, as does melkor. almost if they are pre-ordained to be ruinous to themselves and others.
i concur re your statements re miriel (and the passage you cite is the perfect encapsulation). i wish miriel had been more fleshed out, because she seems to lean to be a vehicle to trigger a cascading catastrophe through the ages. certainly casting feanor as some embryonic, energy-stealing fetus seems a bit much.
but was this feanor's doing? or miriel's? elsewhere in tolkien's writings, tolkien notes that elves conceive (essentially) when they want to do so. is it plausible to think it +possible+ that elves (perhaps pregnant elves) are able to influence their progeny within the womb? help imbue them with talents and traits?
was it miriel who willingly diverted her life's energies into the creation of one, spectacular child?
is this an example of the perils of tolkienian (sub)creation?
cheers : )
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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