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elentari3018
Nargothrond


Jul 1, 1:53am


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I don't despise book! Denethor either

I just like to figure out his thinking before he burned himself alive. DId the palantir hold him that he was not totally of sound mind?
He seemed liked he knew what he wanted.


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I would have things as they were in all the days of my life, and in the days of my longfathers before me: to be the Lord of this City in peace, and leave my chair to a son after me, who woudl be his own master and no wizard's pupil. But if doom denies this to me, then I will have naught; neither life diminished, nor love halved, nor honor abated."


that is so eloquently spoken, not like someone who is about to jump into the fire and kill himself. Clearly, he knows what he wants but Gandalf says also as calmly that he could also choose to "faithfully surrender his charge " which Denethor denies that he would.

Denethor also syas why do we fight "Battle is vain. Why should we wish to live longer? Why shoudl we not go to death side by side?"

This despair isn't unfounded. Minas Tirith IS surrounded. It is not that Denethor is mad but he really lost hope and do we really blame him? Many do blame him and want him to use his soldiers to fight on but i am not sure all commanders can have that strong of a will to fight on.

Contrast him to all that do keep fighting despite the odds stacked against him, not everyone can fight on and this is an example of a broken man. (and the palantir did not help his perception)

So i would pity him a bit and not go on and despise him.

"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo

"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series

"He knew now why Beregond spoke his name with love. He was a captain that men would follow, that he would follow, even under the shadow of the black wings."- Siege of Gondor, RotK


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