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DGHCaretaker
Nargothrond

Sep 27 2022, 6:04pm


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Can't Resist


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Second Age Middle-Earth human men, Halbrand included, are shown as following more modern dating protocols where the man goes the extra mile not to show romantic interest unless the woman does...


Interesting point of view, if a little unintentionally sexist. Let's not forget the vice versa of all things and persons being equal.


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it seems Celeborn isn't around yet and so it sticks out.


The complaints about "wokism" accuse it of saying men are bad, expending the gender to elevate women. They are bad husbands, bad fathers, bad politics (I would actually agree with the politics part, favoring rule-by-estrogen over rule-by-testosterone), and villains. Young men throw stones to sink paper ships and bully young women. Male heroes are deconstructed in favor of women with unearned power. Women can do anything and do it better without men. Representations of stupid, absent or dead husbands and fathers are a common source of complaint. So should we be surprised that the writers have freed Galadriel of Celeborn to pass the Bectdel test? Galadriel falling for Halbrand as Sauron in disguise neatly fits into this narrative. I'll be pleasantly surprised (shocked? expectations subverted?) if the writers don't go there. What would Galadriel think as a living, independent being, freed from the pages of the fiction and the writers pulling her strings, about how Celeborn has been taken from her? I enjoying thinking of her Purple Rose of Cairo wrath against them.


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...I do think it's a bit much to retroactively impose it onto a society that existed thousands of years ago and where a major point is made that they have morally degenerated.


It's part of "what the world looks like today," as the quote from the Executive Producer says.


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So I don't think Halbrand and Galadriel will happen at all. If Galadriel does get any hot scenes the showrunners are probably waiting for Celeborn.


Not to worry. As mentioned, the web says Celeborn is dead anyway.


(This post was edited by DGHCaretaker on Sep 27 2022, 6:13pm)


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Post edited by DGHCaretaker (Nargothrond) on Sep 27 2022, 6:12pm
Post edited by DGHCaretaker (Nargothrond) on Sep 27 2022, 6:13pm


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