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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome


Oct 16 2024, 2:13pm


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New Year versus Spring


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No, I don’t believe the average Shire-hobbit was aware of the Elves’ new year. All the evidence points to them knowing or caring very little about places or peoples beyond their borders. But Bilbo was an exception, as Tolkien made abundantly clear. How much he knew about Elves and the Reckoning of Rivendell can, I think, be inferred from descriptions of his Tookishness. As a hobbit-lad, he pestered Gandalf with questions about Hobbits who had “gone off” and he absorbed the wizard’s tales about the wide world, which surely involved Elves and enhanced Bilbo’s interest in them; as he grew older, he gleaned information from Dwarves and other travelers he met on his days-long wanderings (per Gandalf, Unfinished Tales). From this I infer Bilbo knew enough to accurately mark yestarë on his personal calendar and to have departed Hobbiton for the occasion.

Perhaps I should have used a modifier to specify the glaring omission is apparent to me. This is how I’ve always understood Bilbo’s knowledge of Elves before ever visiting Rivendell.



I don't think I expressed my point well enough. It's not that Bilbo and other hobbits wouldn't have observed Yestarë, but for them it would have been Yule, the last day of the old year and the first day of the new. I do imagine that they observed the beginning of spring (ethuil) around the time of the vernal equinox, though the date of the equinox would vary from one year to another. According to Tolkien Gateway (citing Appendix D), spring in the Shire "corresponded more or less to the 54 days between 7 April and 30 May in the Shire Calendar." Which doesn't mean that Bilbo couldn't have had a notation for 6 April as the elven New Year, or that 6 April might not mark the official start of spring in the Shire in some years.

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(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Oct 16 2024, 2:15pm)


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