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Movie Discussion: The Hobbit
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  Sticky: Thread Locked Welcome to the Hobbit Movie board! Altaira 161021 0 May 24 2008, 1:58am Jump to last post in thread (by Altaira)

  Sticky: How Best to Contact an Admin for Help Kyriel 117033 0 Mar 31 2009, 10:46pm Jump to last post in thread (by Kyriel)

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Collapse Sticky: Folks from the Uni of Waikato want to know YOUR opinion on BotFA! greendragon 4767 25 Jan 21, 4:17pm Jump to last post in thread (by elf-lady)

  Collapse How do you view the Hobbit trilogy next to the LOTR trilogy? Gandalf the Green 1248 111 May 23, 8:25am Jump to last post in thread (by Eruonen)
       Sure CathrineB 1036 0 May 23, 8:40am
       Collapse Unfitting exposition of the movie Milieuterrien 1043 52 May 23, 8:49am
           Collapse ...yes, they do AshNazg 1013 51 May 23, 10:50am
               Collapse Well said AshNazg! I applaud you. lionoferebor 977 2 May 23, 12:37pm
                   Collapse Indeed Gandalf the Green 961 1 May 23, 1:25pm
                     Nah! It is Told with OLD Bilbo's Fuzzy memory.... Bombadil 947 0 May 23, 1:53pm
               Collapse The absurdity of your statements shows Milieuterrien 932 47 May 23, 2:19pm
                   Collapse What on Earth are you talking about? AshNazg 917 46 May 23, 2:39pm
                       Collapse Do you belong to audiences Milieuterrien 909 45 May 23, 2:49pm
                           Collapse I didn't say that it was a box office failure... AshNazg 837 44 May 23, 4:54pm
                               exactamundo lonelymountainhermit 821 0 May 23, 5:52pm
                               Collapse It's no useful talking about generalities that could be true about any movies Milieuterrien 807 39 May 23, 6:12pm
                                   Collapse What? Mooseboy018 324 34 May 23, 9:35pm
                                       Collapse It would not be only a flash-beheading, like the ones in the movie Milieuterrien 298 33 May 23, 10:22pm
                                           Collapse Sorry but that's silly. Mooseboy018 279 22 May 23, 11:12pm
                                               Bolg Smaug the iron 273 0 May 23, 11:26pm
                                               Collapse You may criticize Milieuterrien 277 20 May 23, 11:28pm
                                                   Collapse It was testicles Glorfindela 260 1 May 24, 12:06am
                                                       It was not real testicles Smaug the iron 258 0 May 24, 12:12am
                                                   Collapse Funny thing about camera angles... Morthoron 256 16 May 24, 12:14am
                                                       Collapse Beorn Smaug the iron 252 15 May 24, 12:19am
                                                           Collapse What exactly has that to do with anything? Morthoron 251 4 May 24, 12:24am
                                                               Collapse You are hating PJ Smaug the iron 249 3 May 24, 12:34am
                                                                   Collapse Sorry, that is not the correct answer... Morthoron 240 1 May 24, 12:47am
                                                                       I understand and respekt your opinion. Smaug the iron 236 0 May 24, 12:57am
                                                                   Yeah, Morthoron! AshNazg 243 0 May 24, 1:01am
                                                           Collapse People were annoyed about Tom Bombadil's exclusion too... AshNazg 246 1 May 24, 12:39am
                                                               Are you kidding? Noria 430 0 Sun, 12:26pm
                                                           Collapse Bombadil in FotR Otaku-sempai 390 7 Sun, 2:31pm
                                                               Collapse Maybe they could have had Legolas rescue them // AshNazg 380 4 Sun, 2:46pm
                                                                   Collapse I do hope that you're joking! Otaku-sempai 378 3 Sun, 2:51pm
                                                                       Collapse Of course I was joking... AshNazg 370 2 Sun, 2:59pm
                                                                           Okay Otaku-sempai 363 0 Sun, 3:05pm
                                                                           When I think about it Smaug the iron 364 0 Sun, 3:05pm
                                                               Collapse Bombadil was Not effected by the ONE Ring.. Bombadil 373 1 Sun, 2:54pm
                                                                   I'm not sure what your point is, Bomby. Otaku-sempai 371 0 Sun, 2:59pm
                                                   People can have differing opinions Mooseboy018 221 0 May 24, 1:30am
                                           Collapse Have you seen Disney/Pixar's Brave? AshNazg 123 9 Wed, 8:15pm
                                               Collapse The difference, AshNazg, stays in the 3D/hdr stuff Milieuterrien 118 8 Wed, 8:28pm
                                                   Collapse Okay, so what's the difference between... AshNazg 89 7 Wed, 9:47pm
                                                       Collapse Legolas has elegance Milieuterrien 83 6 Wed, 10:28pm
                                                           Collapse Nothing to do with mocap... Bofur01 52 5 Thu, 8:05am
                                                               Collapse If mocap isn't needed to shape realism in facial movements, Milieuterrien 159 4 Thu, 8:20am
                                                                   Collapse They're not supposed to be furious dogs, nor wolves, but wargs. Bofur01 156 3 Thu, 8:33am
                                                                       Collapse I think they did their best with Wargs, but... Milieuterrien 147 2 Thu, 9:00am
                                                                           Wargs and Wolves arithmancer 126 0 Thu, 12:27pm
                                                                           FYI they did do some mocap for Wargs, apparently Lio 23 0 1:41am
                                   Collapse But redgiraffe 268 3 Wed, 4:41am
                                       Collapse Or course Thror's beheading is shocking, but much less than it could have been Milieuterrien 257 1 Wed, 7:00am
                                           Subthread removed. dernwyn 100 0 Wed, 9:17pm
                                       And? Otaku-sempai 157 0 Wed, 3:32pm
                               Collapse Well said Grand Bob 195 2 Wed, 1:50pm
                                   Collapse The feeling of the film may differ from the feeling of the book Milieuterrien 166 1 Wed, 2:54pm
                                       Yes, but... Grand Bob 153 0 Wed, 3:31pm
       Collapse hmm lonelymountainhermit 875 15 May 23, 3:58pm
           Collapse Then why don't you go on a Rankin-Bass forum to celebrate it ? Milieuterrien 809 14 May 23, 6:21pm
               Collapse lol lonelymountainhermit 797 13 May 23, 6:34pm
                   Collapse Of course the point of your post Milieuterrien 787 12 May 23, 6:46pm
                       Collapse sure thing lonelymountainhermit 773 11 May 23, 7:08pm
                           Collapse Yes Smaug the iron 763 7 May 23, 7:26pm
                               Collapse .. lonelymountainhermit 760 6 May 23, 7:31pm
                                   Collapse I am a Tolkien fan! Smaug the iron 760 5 May 23, 7:33pm
                                       Collapse ? lonelymountainhermit 757 4 May 23, 7:39pm
                                           Collapse No Smaug the iron 754 3 May 23, 7:41pm
                                               Collapse ... lonelymountainhermit 389 2 May 23, 7:52pm
                                                 Collapse The Dwarves WOULD have Suffocated?.. SEALED up! Bombadil 375 1 May 23, 8:19pm
                                                     X-QUWEEZE ME..? Bombadil 355 0 May 23, 8:47pm
                           Collapse It's always fun Lindele 493 2 May 24, 4:06am
                             "DITTO"...Double DITTO to the above^^^^..// Bombadil 475 0 May 24, 4:28am
                               At least I'm in good company lonelymountainhermit 377 0 Sun, 2:53pm
       Collapse I view them as a continuous sequence of films.... dormouse 775 4 May 23, 7:14pm
         Bomby will Go with our Lovely "Half-Elven" dormouse..anytime.. Bombadil 755 0 May 23, 7:39pm
           Collapse What dormouse said, every word. Noria 340 2 May 23, 9:15pm
               Collapse That's my second most disliked scene, and for the same reason.... dormouse 298 1 May 23, 10:38pm
                   I agree completely about the Faramir scene. Noria 427 0 Sun, 12:33pm
       Just as the books really. Spriggan 365 0 May 23, 8:35pm
       This!! Avnar 354 0 May 23, 8:45pm
       Collapse I Get the 'slapstick' in the Hobbit movies & now can take the slapstick in LoTRs in a new fashion squiggle 232 7 May 24, 1:06am
           Collapse This THREAD is Like an OUT-OF-CONTROL Oldsmobile..? Bombadil 219 6 May 24, 2:44am
               Collapse Ad nauseam, Bombadil Milieuterrien 497 5 May 24, 3:32am
                   Collapse Bashing vs Criticism Mooseboy018 493 1 May 24, 4:08am
                       "Wordsmithing" is just like Any ARTFORM? Bombadil 477 0 May 24, 4:45am
                   Collapse A true fan speaks out lonelymountainhermit 356 2 Sun, 3:24pm
                       Collapse I have a feeling Christopher Tolkien.... dormouse 327 1 Sun, 4:14pm
                           perhaps lonelymountainhermit 318 0 Sun, 4:26pm
       Collapse I've made it into this thread too later, perhaps... DanielLB 265 17 Sun, 6:02pm
           This - in shedloads.... dormouse 214 0 Sun, 11:00pm
           Collapse I just want to bring up a point to see if people agree... AshNazg 214 14 Sun, 11:17pm
               Collapse Completely agreed lonelymountainhermit 206 11 Mon, 12:29am
                   Collapse What is more baffling to me Bishop 202 1 Mon, 12:36am
                       indeed lonelymountainhermit 194 0 Mon, 12:50am
                   Collapse Bomby will agree w/ ASHNAG but not with "HERMIT" Bombadil 548 5 Mon, 8:06am
                       Collapse but lonelymountainhermit 505 4 Mon, 1:34pm
                           Collapse And how is that relevant... dormouse 485 3 Mon, 2:36pm
                               Collapse maybe lonelymountainhermit 479 2 Mon, 2:49pm
                                   You know what they say about sarcasm...... // dormouse 441 0 Mon, 5:03pm
                                   money Mooseboy018 357 0 Mon, 9:55pm
                   Collapse "Solely for the purpose of greed"???????? dormouse 540 2 Mon, 8:47am
                     Collapse ABSOLUTELY Right, dmouse... Bombadil 533 1 Mon, 12:00pm
                         Bomby would like to tell a Short Story? Bombadil 525 0 Mon, 12:22pm
               Collapse Well, yes to the first..... dormouse 553 1 Mon, 7:56am
                   Great post dormouse.// Noria 365 0 Mon, 9:07pm
           Beautiful post tho Avandel 416 0 Mon, 6:48pm
       Collapse A little late, but chiming in Loresilme 232 7 Wed, 4:13pm
           Collapse The Lack of Consistency is Real Gandalf the Green 93 6 Thu, 8:24pm
               Collapse It's consistent to me Loresilme 68 5 Thu, 9:30pm
                   Does me good to read a post like this.... dormouse 58 0 Thu, 9:54pm
                   Collapse How? I can't manage to view it that way... Gandalf the Green 59 2 Thu, 9:54pm
                       Collapse We seem to have posted at the same time... dormouse 52 1 Thu, 10:22pm
                           Designs aren't the only things about the visuals Gandalf the Green 44 0 Thu, 11:00pm
                   Agree, I had no issue with the world presented. Eruonen 17 0 3:44am

  Collapse We're forgetting an audience... Hobbity Hobbit 1148 72 Tue, 9:58pm Jump to last post in thread (by Bombadil)
       Collapse Count me as a ridiculous adult! Kilidoescartwheels 959 1 Tue, 10:20pm
           PJ is a Father, Fran is a Mother & Philippa is TOO! Bombadil 947 0 Tue, 10:27pm
       Collapse An inspiration for feminists. RosieLass 958 7 Tue, 10:29pm
           Collapse Yes, she was an inspiration Elarie 942 3 Tue, 11:04pm
               @ HobbitCon in Germany? Bombadil 893 0 Wed, 12:29am
               Yeah, Hobbity Hobbit 839 0 Wed, 2:24am
               Certainly. RosieLass 293 0 Wed, 5:06pm
           Collapse Strange when you think it was predominantly written by two women // AshNazg 867 2 Wed, 1:06am
               Collapse I don't think so.... Avandel 845 1 Wed, 2:22am
                   Well.. Hobbity Hobbit 834 0 Wed, 2:42am
       Collapse Oh please... Morthoron 885 2 Wed, 1:00am
           Collapse Hey, Which movie did you see ? Milieuterrien 567 1 Wed, 3:08pm
             Even Leggy? couldn't "Handle". Bolg in Laketown? Bombadil 524 0 Wed, 3:59pm
       I wouldn't minded Tauriel so much ... MEM 791 0 Wed, 5:03am
       Collapse On the broad point, I think it is a good one. Spriggan 744 2 Wed, 8:13am
           Collapse ISN'T 700 YEARS, a mere 7 Blinks in eyes of an Elf? Bombadil 695 1 Wed, 10:49am
               Elven Maturity Otaku-sempai 570 0 Wed, 2:47pm
       One problem CathrineB 695 0 Wed, 10:54am
       Collapse Yes, I think you're right... dormouse 681 39 Wed, 11:26am
           Collapse Oh, poor Tauriel! Kilidoescartwheels 596 6 Wed, 2:28pm
               Collapse Fili and Kili being woman would have been cool Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 303 3 Wed, 4:59pm
                   LOL! Kilidoescartwheels 286 0 Wed, 5:21pm
                   Collapse They Sort of Already Did AndHeHandedHimTheTobaccoJar 238 1 Wed, 7:27pm
                       Not really Otaku-sempai 206 0 Wed, 8:48pm
               Well, to get more specific.... Avandel 232 0 Wed, 7:29pm
               Not ridiculous at all... dormouse 167 0 Wed, 10:33pm
           Collapse It's not the fact that she fell in love that is the problem. RosieLass 297 31 Wed, 5:03pm
               Same goes to guys Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 292 0 Wed, 5:08pm
               Collapse You'd like the new "Mad Max" movie then Kilidoescartwheels 282 28 Wed, 5:22pm
                   I haven't seen it. RosieLass 255 0 Wed, 6:32pm
                   Collapse Mad Max's Furiosa had one VERY crucial advantage over The Hobbit's Tauriel! marary 188 26 Wed, 9:50pm
                       Modernity vs. Tolkiennernity marary 176 0 Wed, 10:22pm
                       Collapse The Hobbit and the Bechdel test Milieuterrien 147 24 Wed, 11:38pm
                           Collapse Mad Max v. Hobbit Kilidoescartwheels 135 23 Thu, 1:27am
                               Collapse In French, spiders are female, that's it. Milieuterrien 259 22 Thu, 8:04am
                                   Bwahahahahaha Kilidoescartwheels 221 0 Thu, 1:49pm
                                   Let's not be overly literal! Otaku-sempai 218 0 Thu, 2:24pm
                                   Collapse What? Glorfindela 206 19 Thu, 2:59pm
                                       Collapse Don't get fooled, it was just an attempt ... Milieuterrien 189 18 Thu, 3:49pm
                                           Collapse They say that English is the most difficult language to learn. RosieLass 188 17 Thu, 4:01pm
                                               Collapse As far as I'm concerned, Milieuterrien 181 5 Thu, 4:20pm
                                                   Collapse Haha! RosieLass 158 4 Thu, 5:10pm
                                                       Collapse Haha indeed Kilidoescartwheels 121 3 Thu, 6:45pm
                                                           Collapse Back to the spot, Milieuterrien 98 2 Thu, 7:55pm
                                                               Collapse Oh, now you're REALLY asking for it! Kilidoescartwheels 89 1 Thu, 8:17pm
                                                                   Indeed… Glorfindela 58 0 Thu, 10:37pm
                                               Collapse The Slavonic languages are tricky Glorfindela 177 10 Thu, 4:23pm
                                                   Maybe because it's simple on crucial points Milieuterrien 168 0 Thu, 4:37pm
                                                   Collapse Money Avandel 166 8 Thu, 4:40pm
                                                       Collapse I think what makes English difficult RosieLass 162 6 Thu, 5:07pm
                                                           Collapse Spelling, also. arithmancer 151 1 Thu, 5:16pm
                                                               Indeed, no. 2 Glorfindela 58 0 Thu, 10:41pm
                                                           Collapse Because English formed as a combination of other languages. Silverlode 74 2 Thu, 9:46pm
                                                               Collapse Then there's this: Ataahua 49 1 Thu, 10:56pm
                                                                   Yes... Silverlode 25 0 12:52am
                                                           This is so true… Glorfindela 62 0 Thu, 10:34pm
                                                     Bomby spends SOME Time on a Search Engine? Bombadil 24 0 12:55am
               Well, yes.... dormouse 176 0 Wed, 10:17pm
       Collapse So Tauriel is there as some kind of social enginery? Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 508 7 Wed, 4:19pm
           Collapse The main necessity is to have some elf character embodied on screen Milieuterrien 496 6 Wed, 4:31pm
               I understand that, but a single movie, with that ride you mention works. Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 481 0 Wed, 4:40pm
               Collapse Mostly true. Otaku-sempai 483 4 Wed, 4:45pm
                   Collapse Imagine they would had used the characters of the book to flesh out more story Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 298 3 Wed, 4:57pm
                       Agreed. Otaku-sempai 289 0 Wed, 5:08pm
                       Well they DID flesh out two of them Kilidoescartwheels 251 0 Wed, 6:41pm
                       Nice comments IMO and interesting Avandel 215 0 Wed, 8:02pm
       It's not about forgetting the audience. Bumblingidiot 503 0 Wed, 4:28pm
       Collapse I wonder which Tauriel's character trait ignites the fandom spark Milieuterrien 268 2 Wed, 6:16pm
         Collapse Some lines in the Movie say she was "Isolated"... Bombadil 261 1 Wed, 6:31pm
             OTHER.. WayCOOL Qualities Tauriel has? Bombadil 140 0 Wed, 11:44pm
       Collapse We are forgeting the teens have and NEED a sense of reality Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 96 1 Thu, 7:27am
           Kids do have a sense of reality Milieuterrien 94 0 Thu, 7:45am

  Collapse Funeral Smaug the iron 774 31 Wed, 6:26pm Jump to last post in thread (by lionoferebor)
       Collapse Bilbo & Gandalf for sure Kilidoescartwheels 695 3 Wed, 6:51pm
           Collapse *snigger* Avandel 633 1 Wed, 8:19pm
               The Funeral Roheryn1 93 0 Thu, 6:46pm
           Legolas Mooseboy018 505 0 Thu, 12:02am
       Collapse Tauriel Goldeneye 685 10 Wed, 6:59pm
         Collapse Yes Avandel 615 7 Wed, 8:47pm
               Collapse I can see it now... CathrineB 571 3 Wed, 9:52pm
                   Collapse There is one...maybe two Avandel 469 2 Thu, 1:57am
                       Tauriel Mooseboy018 456 0 Thu, 2:36am
                       Yeah but CathrineB 354 0 Thu, 10:08am
               Collapse Grumblings over ROTK lionoferebor 522 2 Wed, 11:37pm
                   Collapse I'm Negative Nancy now, but.. CathrineB 513 1 Wed, 11:56pm
                       I was somewhat Hopeful Holly... lionoferebor 43 0 Thu, 11:35pm
           Collapse Please no Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf 566 1 Wed, 9:57pm
             Expect the Unexpected, that's Bomby's Mantra../// Bombadil 523 0 Wed, 11:08pm
       Mmm! Adrianna 491 0 Thu, 12:43am
       Many funerals to dispatch Milieuterrien 308 0 Thu, 12:39pm
       Collapse Well Shagrat 296 13 Thu, 1:51pm
           Collapse Image too big. Otaku-sempai 270 1 Thu, 2:18pm
               Resized. dernwyn 183 0 Thu, 4:09pm
           Collapse Why would you expect Thranduil to be there with none of his people? dormouse 243 10 Thu, 3:05pm
               Collapse Well a few guards perhaps... Shagrat 232 7 Thu, 3:12pm
                   Collapse Well yes.... dormouse 212 6 Thu, 3:33pm
                       Collapse Well that's why I mentioned Thranduil Shagrat 202 5 Thu, 3:45pm
                           Collapse Fair enough.... dormouse 190 4 Thu, 4:03pm
                               Collapse That she has an expressed concern with them burying Kili Shagrat 187 3 Thu, 4:08pm
                                   Collapse Huh? arithmancer 131 2 Thu, 4:21pm
                                       Collapse Not if she is uncomfortable with the idea of the Dwarves burying Kili according to their custom Shagrat 125 1 Thu, 4:24pm
                                           If no Elves are there probably not. arithmancer 119 0 Thu, 4:27pm
               Collapse Because of the book? Otaku-sempai 131 1 Thu, 4:16pm
                   Sorry, what I meant was.... dormouse 127 0 Thu, 4:24pm

  Collapse DOS: Feast of Starlight ... A potential great scene Legolas_Shoehorn 547 7 Wed, 8:48pm Jump to last post in thread (by Bombadil)
       I also regret the absence of that scene Milieuterrien 504 0 Wed, 9:03pm
       Agree... that's for sure an head-scratcher // xxxyyy 485 0 Wed, 9:16pm
       Collapse I think there is no gonna be a debate in this :) Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 454 2 Wed, 9:54pm
         Collapse Maybe PJ will show Deleted Scenes in the EE Extras? Bombadil 392 1 Thu, 1:05am
               Let's Adrianna 384 0 Thu, 1:28am
       Collapse Nope, can't say I care about a Feast of Starlight scene. Noria 236 1 Thu, 12:18pm
         PJ did make a comment why they left it out.. Bombadil 140 0 Thu, 5:16pm

  Collapse Five factors that hurt the Hobbit films Goldeneye 1229 45 Tue, 5:53pm Jump to last post in thread (by Avandel)
       Collapse Well... Thrain II 1056 1 Tue, 6:34pm
           Is that actually true? Otaku-sempai 1051 0 Tue, 6:41pm
       Collapse Oh, I love a good debate! Kilidoescartwheels 1045 7 Tue, 6:57pm
           Collapse Ditto, ditto, ditto Avandel 944 6 Tue, 8:35pm
               Not sure I agree completely shadowdog 880 0 Tue, 10:03pm
               Collapse Army of Elves Ilmatar 205 4 Wed, 8:18pm
                   Collapse They did have real elf armys Smaug the iron 193 3 Wed, 8:50pm
                       Collapse Thanks for the links Ilmatar 178 2 Wed, 9:17pm
                           The Awesome Elf Helmets hid Most Everything Bombadil 160 0 Wed, 11:06pm
                           Gotta put some screen caps up Avandel 75 0 Thu, 4:24pm
       Collapse Well...... dormouse 987 4 Tue, 8:03pm
         Collapse LOL Dormouse - well said and thanks for this (: Avandel 926 3 Tue, 9:01pm
               Bomby Agrees with Everyone here EXCEPT the OP.. Bombadil 909 0 Tue, 9:34pm
               Collapse 'Buzz' Otaku-sempai 815 1 Tue, 11:55pm
                   It's the way articles are written in the press Avandel 790 0 Wed, 12:48am
       For Me AndHeHandedHimTheTobaccoJar 889 0 Tue, 10:02pm
       I'm not sure splitting into 3 was such a bad thing... AshNazg 788 0 Wed, 1:12am
       Collapse Five factors that help and hinder The Hobbit trilogy. DanielLB 697 18 Wed, 6:51am
           I agree with much of what you say, DanielB Glorfindela 650 0 Wed, 8:00am
           Collapse Word!! Eleniel 568 11 Wed, 1:00pm
               Collapse So far as I can see no one is wading anywhere.... dormouse 548 9 Wed, 1:37pm
                   Collapse Will try to answer the CGI question Kilidoescartwheels 483 4 Wed, 2:51pm
                       I would wait to see the EE Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 319 0 Wed, 4:30pm
                       Collapse Thank you! dormouse 170 2 Wed, 10:55pm
                           Collapse The Elves over Dwarves scene Kilidoescartwheels 151 1 Thu, 1:04am
                               Yes.... dormouse 120 0 Thu, 7:00am
                   Collapse I beg to differ... Eleniel 465 3 Wed, 3:20pm
                       Collapse Fair enough, I'm sorry.... dormouse 284 2 Wed, 5:17pm
                           Collapse Thanks - and I'm not saying categorically there's anything wrong with it... Eleniel 264 1 Wed, 5:42pm
                               Well yes... dormouse 251 0 Wed, 6:17pm
               I think Bofur01 522 0 Wed, 1:48pm
           Collapse Allegedly Superfluous Characters Otaku-sempai 461 4 Wed, 3:22pm
               Collapse Superfluous in the sense ... DanielLB 326 3 Wed, 4:29pm
                   Collapse Well... Otaku-sempai 313 2 Wed, 4:36pm
                       Collapse Yes. Even a Talking Purse. / DanielLB 302 1 Wed, 4:41pm
                           I do like you, Daniel... Otaku-sempai 296 0 Wed, 4:48pm
       Responding to the thread in general, my own factors would be entirely different. Spriggan 510 0 Wed, 2:05pm
       Collapse The only factors that matter are... sycorax82 493 1 Wed, 2:27pm
           Studio issues Goldeneye 444 0 Wed, 3:29pm
       Collapse I’m a Hobbit movie lover so of course I disagree. Noria 439 4 Wed, 3:41pm
           Collapse When he said he wanted the hobbit first, in the times of LOTR or now? Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 321 3 Wed, 4:26pm
               Collapse Before. Otaku-sempai 321 2 Wed, 4:31pm
                   Collapse Ok Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 308 1 Wed, 4:41pm
                       As Otaku-sempai said. Noria 221 0 Wed, 7:25pm
       I Think the Hobbit films have been immensely successful squiggle 236 0 Wed, 6:55pm

  Collapse A confirmation that trailer Sauron will be in Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 837 6 Tue, 5:30pm Jump to last post in thread (by Bofur01)
       Lets hope so! NoelGallagher 623 0 Tue, 9:41pm
       Collapse Much of this stuff could be wishful thinking.... sycorax82 370 4 Wed, 2:08pm
           Collapse There are strong evidences that at least those scenes where filmed for sure Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 312 3 Wed, 4:13pm
               Collapse The Palantir scene was cut from the DoS EE Bofur01 283 2 Wed, 5:33pm
                   Collapse How do you know Smaug the iron 271 1 Wed, 5:56pm
                       It'll be in the track "Thrain" on the BotFA soundtrack. Bofur01 208 0 Wed, 9:02pm

  Collapse The Hobbit: The Return of the Edit Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 879 19 Sun, 7:06pm Jump to last post in thread (by Bishop)
     Collapse isaac, how do we see this?// Bombadil 746 2 Sun, 9:30pm
           Collapse I recommend sending a private message... AshNazg 741 1 Sun, 9:37pm
               Yeah Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 686 0 Sun, 10:53pm
       Collapse I really want editing software, I have a rather unique idea... AshNazg 741 7 Sun, 9:42pm
           Collapse As Bomby always says.."When in Doubt, Google it?" Bombadil 706 2 Sun, 10:19pm
               Collapse I know, but I worry about how safe that stuff is... AshNazg 642 1 Mon, 1:26am
                   Ash Nazg leonmuse 638 0 Mon, 1:39am
           Collapse Editing software Goldeneye 511 2 Mon, 1:45pm
               Collapse WOWie THANKS for the Heads UP! Bombadil 474 1 Mon, 3:08pm
                   one more thing Goldeneye 296 0 Tue, 1:31pm
           I would be interested in reading a detailed description of your edit idea =) Gianna 114 0 Wed, 6:07pm
       Collapse Someone should try an edit removing Bilbo completely Bishop 712 7 Sun, 10:18pm
         GOOD LUCK! Impossible...// Bombadil 702 0 Sun, 10:24pm
           HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 687 0 Sun, 10:51pm
           Someone has... AshNazg 687 0 Sun, 10:52pm
           Collapse Sadly this wouldn't be too difficult to do...he was barely in it. lonelymountainhermit 650 1 Mon, 12:58am
               And yet still in it more than he was in the book! // adt100 325 0 Tue, 10:27am
         Collapse Would love to see that! // Gianna 112 1 Wed, 6:08pm
               You know, I may actually do it. Bishop 109 0 Wed, 6:19pm

  Collapse What did we all expect from The Hobbit movies given the realities of movie making and PJ's history? Noria 999 33 Sun, 1:11pm Jump to last post in thread (by The Grey Elf)
       For myself Glorfindela 850 0 Sun, 1:54pm
       Collapse To sum up Otaku-sempai 825 1 Sun, 2:23pm
           OL' Bom will just wait to see the EE because.. Bombadil 815 0 Sun, 2:43pm
       I for one... CathrineB 807 0 Sun, 2:49pm
     Collapse Didn't consciously think about it re AUJ Avandel 801 1 Sun, 2:55pm
           Argh - gotta PS my own post.... Avandel 784 0 Sun, 3:19pm
       Collapse What did I expect after three cinematic masterpieces? Aragorn the Elfstone 781 7 Sun, 3:41pm
           Collapse The second I saw the first designs for the dwarves I had doubts... AshNazg 761 5 Sun, 4:09pm
               Collapse Yes, that certainly instilled some doubt... Aragorn the Elfstone 755 2 Sun, 4:15pm
                   Collapse agreed lonelymountainhermit 705 1 Sun, 5:20pm
                     Bomby has learned to "Expect the Unexpected" from PJ&Co./// Bombadil 695 0 Sun, 5:25pm
               Collapse This! Avnar 417 1 Mon, 10:27am
                   yup lonelymountainhermit 376 0 Mon, 1:31pm
           Great post Bishop 696 0 Sun, 5:29pm
       Collapse This topic has been discussed many times under similar headings, however, it is Eruonen 649 1 Sun, 6:46pm
           Here is Something to think about...? Bombadil 565 0 Sun, 10:40pm
       Collapse Noria I have a lot of respect for you so I will jump in here Michelle Johnston 582 2 Sun, 10:30pm
           About the Dwarves Kilidoescartwheels 473 0 Mon, 4:44am
           Michelle, Noria 246 0 Mon, 9:06pm
       Siimple, really, and not unlike your own reaction.... dormouse 558 0 Sun, 10:48pm
       I was totally open minded with a tad of trepidation squiggle 556 0 Sun, 10:54pm
       Collapse the expectations CathrineB 544 1 Sun, 11:43pm
           Your last sentence is particularly interesting... AshNazg 534 0 Mon, 12:09am
       I just got back from The Avengers - Age of Ultron and was impressed with the character Eruonen 532 0 Mon, 12:14am
       Another magical trip to Middle Earth Elarie 375 0 Mon, 1:38pm
       Speaking as someone who was deeply disappointed in LOTR... RosieLass 309 0 Mon, 2:42pm
       Some at odds quotes about discontent - to remind me of perspective Eruonen 287 0 Mon, 4:20pm
       Collapse Met expectations Milieuterrien 260 2 Mon, 8:19pm
         GREAT Summary,,"Thang you Berry Buch".../// Bombadil 212 0 Mon, 10:01pm
           A few comments... Avandel 215 0 Mon, 10:20pm
       Well, Istaris'staffs 173 0 Tue, 5:49am
       interesting question - perhaps less indulgence and more consistency elostirion74 106 0 Tue, 5:48pm
       Simply put, these were not the movies I was hoping for NOR what I feel I was lead to believe we'd receive The Grey Elf 59 0 Wed, 2:01pm

  Collapse Hobbit Accuracy to Books vs LOTR Accuracy to Books Hobbity Hobbit 868 36 May 21, 10:20pm Jump to last post in thread (by elostirion74)
       Collapse Well, I can't agree, but... Otaku-sempai 750 1 May 21, 11:27pm
         JRRT wrote it, Sir PJ Adapted it, 80 years Later?// Bombadil 692 0 May 22, 3:37am
       Collapse Whaaaat?! AshNazg 637 18 May 22, 11:28am
           Collapse Do you honestly believe everything you just wrote? Skaan 632 16 May 22, 11:31am
               Collapse Yeah, Hobbity Hobbit 619 15 May 22, 11:58am
                   Collapse Hmmm, off the top of my head.... Morthoron 594 12 May 22, 1:07pm
                       Collapse It depends on how you measure "faithfulness" Voronwë_the_Faithful 578 9 May 22, 1:41pm
                           Collapse I understand what you're saying, V... Morthoron 568 8 May 22, 2:02pm
                               Collapse That's only one opinion Voronwë_the_Faithful 547 6 May 22, 2:55pm
                                   And Smaug the iron 540 0 May 22, 3:05pm
                                   Collapse Well, I won't defend Peter Jackson, in any case... Morthoron 471 4 May 22, 6:16pm
                                       Collapse So Smaug the iron 413 3 May 22, 7:38pm
                                           Collapse Certainly in the case of Bilbo rescuing the Dwarves from the spiders... Eleniel 402 2 May 22, 7:45pm
                                               Well Smaug the iron 393 0 May 22, 7:57pm
                                               Yes you're right Bishop 281 0 May 22, 7:59pm
                               Plus Voronwë_the_Faithful 518 0 May 22, 4:00pm
                       Characters Smaug the iron 569 0 May 22, 1:56pm
                       Radagast TheHutt 553 0 May 22, 2:45pm
                   Thranduil and Bard Otaku-sempai 532 0 May 22, 3:38pm
                   I don´t agree with your assessment of Bard & Thranduil elostirion74 57 0 Tue, 6:19pm
           Exactly lonelymountainhermit 459 0 May 22, 6:31pm
       I get what you're saying and agree about the Hobbit Elarie 573 0 May 22, 1:54pm
       Collapse Jackson took liberties with both trilogies Bishop 451 5 May 22, 7:03pm
           Collapse Bilbo Smaug the iron 426 4 May 22, 7:29pm
               Collapse I think Frodo Bishop 414 2 May 22, 7:40pm
                   Collapse Well Smaug the iron 276 1 May 22, 8:16pm
                       On comparisons Bishop 269 0 May 22, 8:27pm
               Bilbo, Frodo and "God" AshNazg 205 0 May 23, 11:43am
       Thanks Elarie! Hobbity Hobbit 422 0 May 22, 7:30pm
       For me, the Hobbit Trilogy would be more accurate to ME squiggle 251 0 May 22, 11:29pm
       Collapse I very much disagree, the LOTR films are MUCH more Tolkien-like, because Gandalf the Green 223 5 May 23, 8:08am
           Collapse Exactly this... Eleniel 174 4 May 23, 8:17pm
               Collapse I would have preferred the Dol Guldur plot... AshNazg 148 3 May 24, 12:23am
                   Collapse Movies should show, not tell Otaku-sempai 123 2 Sun, 2:42pm
                       Collapse But my proposition does show... AshNazg 120 1 Sun, 2:51pm
                           I don't entirely disagree with you. Otaku-sempai 116 0 Sun, 2:55pm

  Collapse An honest discussion about Alfrid Bishop 958 84 May 21, 3:05pm Jump to last post in thread (by Eruonen)
       Collapse Well Smaug the iron 830 4 May 21, 3:15pm
           Collapse A lot of people wanted the gold / gems Bishop 819 3 May 21, 3:25pm
               Collapse Alfrid reasons Smaug the iron 766 2 May 21, 4:19pm
                   Collapse I didn't really get that at all Bishop 754 1 May 21, 4:23pm
                       I diden't mean Smaug the iron 692 0 May 21, 5:18pm
       Collapse Someone for characters to talk to... AshNazg 830 30 May 21, 3:23pm
           Collapse I agree that he is a useful tool for narrative Bishop 807 29 May 21, 3:37pm
               Collapse As I said, Alfrid's continued inclusion is to create a mirror... AshNazg 696 28 May 21, 5:24pm
                   Collapse Humor Smaug the iron 394 22 May 21, 5:41pm
                       Collapse mixed bag Mooseboy018 330 5 May 21, 7:31pm
                           Collapse I think Smaug the iron 327 4 May 21, 7:40pm
                               Collapse We can only hope! // Otaku-sempai 317 2 May 21, 7:55pm
                                   Collapse depends on which one Mooseboy018 311 1 May 21, 7:59pm
                                     Just Checked IMDB, Ryan is in a new TV Series Bombadil 297 0 May 21, 8:24pm
                               Has there been anything official on this? Bishop 316 0 May 21, 7:58pm
                       Collapse There's no justification for such an abomination, IMHO Glorfindela 253 14 May 21, 10:20pm
                           Collapse Different cinemas, perhaps? Spriggan 224 13 May 21, 11:42pm
                               Collapse In reply Glorfindela 392 12 May 22, 7:15am
                                   Collapse Also recall... Goldeneye 335 6 May 22, 1:16pm
                                       Collapse That's as may be Glorfindela 327 4 May 22, 2:19pm
                                           Collapse Nauseam is just a matter of preference. Milieuterrien 323 3 May 22, 2:33pm
                                               Collapse I don't need your (or anyone else's) 'forgiveness' Glorfindela 318 2 May 22, 3:04pm
                                                   Collapse Apology Milieuterrien 297 1 May 22, 4:15pm
                                                       No problem Glorfindela 285 0 May 22, 4:42pm
                                       mixed feelings Mooseboy018 180 0 Sun, 5:37am
                                   Collapse Really? How odd! Spriggan 145 4 May 23, 8:10pm
                                       Collapse If you want to get personal… Glorfindela 224 3 May 23, 10:53pm
                                           Oh dear. My humour has been lost there. Spriggan 197 0 May 24, 1:30am
                                           Collapse Something that worries me... AshNazg 200 1 May 24, 1:31am
                                               PJ and comedy Glorfindela 157 0 Sun, 8:47am
                       I'm a Brit and I thought most of the humour was spot on :) adt100 358 0 May 22, 10:55am
                   Collapse Not that I'm aware of Kilidoescartwheels 288 4 May 21, 8:41pm
                       Collapse The New Esgaroth Otaku-sempai 279 1 May 21, 8:53pm
                           Bilbo told Smaug the iron 273 0 May 21, 9:09pm
                       Collapse Read it again... Eleniel 269 1 May 21, 9:32pm
                           Okay, people Kilidoescartwheels 211 0 May 22, 12:49am
       Collapse Alfrid and the Master of Lake-town Otaku-sempai 817 3 May 21, 3:26pm
           Collapse I agree Kilidoescartwheels 688 1 May 21, 5:21pm
               Not just any Hobbit ... DanielLB 396 0 May 22, 6:34am
           Yes, it appears PJ was trying to add the lessons of greed and redemption Eruonen 47 0 Tue, 5:18pm
       Collapse Alfrid is his Foil...even when Bard First gets to Laketown... Bombadil 794 9 May 21, 3:51pm
           Collapse Jackson did it... Otaku-sempai 746 8 May 21, 4:31pm
               Collapse I agree Bishop 728 7 May 21, 4:41pm
                   Collapse Alfrid in Dale? Bombadil 722 2 May 21, 4:47pm
                       Collapse None of those things are logical or necessary to me Bishop 713 1 May 21, 4:58pm
                           Well, there is ONE more thing to consider? Bombadil 694 0 May 21, 5:16pm
                   Collapse Not this. Otaku-sempai 723 1 May 21, 4:47pm
                       Except Bishop 719 0 May 21, 4:51pm
                   Collapse His presence... arithmancer 254 1 May 21, 10:02pm
                       Foil and contrast glor 231 0 May 21, 11:10pm
       Collapse Master´s book is a perfect coda for the theme of greed Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 763 3 May 21, 4:13pm
           Collapse Well yes, some ending for the character would have been better Bishop 756 2 May 21, 4:21pm
               The ONLY reason I can think of Kilidoescartwheels 677 0 May 21, 5:33pm
               Jackson could have got rid of Alfrid, and orc chase at Laketown and still had elves in the town being canon to the book Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 351 0 May 21, 6:47pm
       Jackson usually accesses populations through two or three "avatars" Spriggan 703 0 May 21, 5:07pm
       Collapse Alfrid Goldeneye 683 4 May 21, 5:26pm
           Collapse Yeah, Stephen Fry is good at comedy! Kilidoescartwheels 674 1 May 21, 5:34pm
               Time on Screen & Logistics Bombadil 376 0 May 21, 5:57pm
           Collapse Agree with everything you said... Salmacis81 350 1 May 21, 6:50pm
               Another thought... Morthoron 331 0 May 21, 7:27pm
       Didn't mind him in DoS too much... Salmacis81 355 0 May 21, 6:45pm
       Yiesh CathrineB 296 0 May 21, 8:29pm
       Collapse I'm curious about your use of 'honest'.... dormouse 237 4 May 21, 11:12pm
           I'm one of those. Milieuterrien 217 0 May 22, 12:25am
           Collapse I don't know. Honest as in fair? Bishop 187 2 May 22, 1:45am
               Well, I'll add a comment Avandel 415 0 May 22, 2:00am
               There are historical references as well. Bombadil 419 0 May 22, 2:22am
       Collapse I have to add my opinion ... DanielLB 399 1 May 22, 6:31am
         The World of Men in the 3RD Age...? Bombadil 368 0 May 22, 10:33am
       I honestly liked him! adt100 358 0 May 22, 10:53am
       Collapse I am floored by the rationale some people are making to excuse such a horribly written character. jtarkey 229 2 May 23, 11:50am
           I don't agree that he adds nothing... AshNazg 220 0 May 23, 12:15pm
           I can understand people not liking him, but... adt100 75 0 Tue, 4:20pm
       Collapse Alfrid is one of BOTFA’s weak aspects IMO Noria 213 10 May 23, 1:07pm
           Collapse Why do Bard 'use' Alfrid ? Let's have a look. Milieuterrien 202 9 May 23, 2:43pm
               Collapse On the contrary, it is deplorable storytelling.... Morthoron 185 8 May 23, 4:51pm
                   Collapse Bard said : Milieuterrien 176 7 May 23, 5:52pm
                       Collapse You need to read the book again. Perhaps more than once... Morthoron 166 6 May 23, 6:59pm
                           Collapse Do you have any problem with Sweden Smaug the iron 158 2 May 23, 7:30pm
                               Collapse And Starling 251 1 May 23, 8:28pm
                                   Yep, proper humour is private property. Milieuterrien 223 0 May 23, 10:33pm
                           Collapse Compared to Jackson's, Tolkien's Laketown (pic) is tinier Milieuterrien 158 2 May 23, 7:34pm
                               Collapse Another example... Morthoron 143 1 May 23, 8:13pm
                                   But the orcs in Sauron's army in BotFA Bofur01 252 0 May 23, 8:27pm

  Collapse Is it okay to like the movies? Kilidoescartwheels 1291 36 May 22, 1:45am Jump to last post in thread (by joec_34)
       Collapse Misinformed here, or not up to date… for when you get off your treadmill. . . Bracegirdle 1099 3 May 22, 2:18am
           Read the book three times, once when young, when I was older, and before the movies came out... Pandallo 1089 0 May 22, 2:35am
           Collapse Well that wasn't my point Kilidoescartwheels 1078 1 May 22, 3:13am
               In short ,my question was simply curiosity not judgmental or meant as criticism. Bracegirdle 1060 0 May 22, 4:01am
       Collapse But but but ... DanielLB 1033 11 May 22, 6:28am
           Wait a minute..... you LIKED that star wars prequels!?!?! adt100 931 0 May 22, 11:04am
           Collapse Minor point of correction, Daniel Otaku-sempai 781 5 May 22, 3:32pm
               Collapse From what I remember shadowdog 706 2 May 22, 5:32pm
                   Collapse 2001 Otaku-sempai 690 1 May 22, 5:53pm
                       this is correct Bishop 679 0 May 22, 6:25pm
               Collapse Bad example. DanielLB 656 1 May 22, 7:15pm
                   Gah! // Aragorn the Elfstone 606 0 May 22, 8:50pm
           Collapse Well it was mostly a rant Kilidoescartwheels 583 1 May 22, 9:39pm
               No. DanielLB 427 0 May 22, 10:02pm
           Collapse Yay Episodes I, II and III! SirDennisC 209 1 May 24, 3:44am
               I like them too... joec_34 72 0 Tue, 4:18pm
       Collapse Of course CathrineB 981 1 May 22, 8:44am
         OKAY? Bomby's Turn.. Bombadil 945 0 May 22, 10:57am
       Collapse 'Course it is! :-) dormouse 864 3 May 22, 1:19pm
           Ooo, Ooo! Never knew the dormouse to block her spout Bracegirdle 837 0 May 22, 1:53pm
           Collapse That's one more, or one less, than me. sador 173 1 Sun, 7:31pm
               A preference. Adrianna 109 0 Tue, 1:47am
       Definitely OK Elarie 855 0 May 22, 1:22pm
       Well... Thrain II 819 0 May 22, 2:22pm
       It's OK to like (or dislike) both or either Glorfindela 817 0 May 22, 2:29pm
       Collapse I like them, too. RosieLass 789 6 May 22, 3:35pm
         Collapse Doesn't the word "Adaptation" mean Different..? Bombadil 730 5 May 22, 5:04pm
               Not "unrecognizably different." // RosieLass 645 0 May 22, 7:16pm
               Collapse Actually... lionoferebor 400 3 May 23, 1:02am
                   Collapse Wrong comparison. Otaku-sempai 313 1 May 23, 12:57pm
                       If you must know... lionoferebor 280 0 May 23, 3:58pm
                   The hobbit movies are not an adaptation on the book? Spriggan 251 0 May 23, 8:18pm
       sure lonelymountainhermit 609 0 May 22, 8:57pm
       Yes. Absolutely. Positively. Aragorn the Elfstone 445 0 May 22, 9:43pm
       Of course it is... Queen of Erebor 420 0 May 22, 10:18pm
       We might never know. Gandalf the Green 342 0 May 23, 8:29am

  Collapse Thoughts on BOTFA Special features Bishop 1446 15 Mar 5, 8:58pm Jump to last post in thread (by adt100)
       Collapse What are you talking about? Estel78 1365 3 Mar 5, 9:02pm
           Collapse Fine. Maybe the special editions are better Bishop 1352 2 Mar 5, 9:10pm
               Maybe? For sure! Estel78 1334 0 Mar 5, 9:24pm
               ... nusilver 1270 0 Mar 5, 10:04pm
       Collapse re: Goldeneye 1317 2 Mar 5, 9:36pm
           The special features.. Bishop 1224 0 Mar 5, 10:52pm
           Bleeding the turnip? LOL, I guess, but ... Defiant 1092 0 Mar 6, 4:04am
       if you are interested in special features Lindele 1290 0 Mar 5, 9:48pm
       The Extended lionoferebor 1011 0 Mar 6, 8:00am
       Collapse Well. Arannir 990 1 Mar 6, 8:49am
           LOTR TEs glor 834 0 Mar 6, 8:42pm
       That's because you haven't got it yet... dormouse 930 0 Mar 6, 1:23pm
       Collapse Yeah CathrineB 763 1 Mar 7, 7:39am
           Yes I agree…boring celboy 352 0 Mar 26, 2:14am
       Incredibly disappointed to be blunt.... adt100 26 0 Tue, 8:48am

  Collapse BotFA Extended Edition Clips MedwedtoBeorn 1237 8 May 23, 9:59pm Jump to last post in thread (by Adrianna)
       Collapse Why would you do that? Mooseboy018 1115 1 May 23, 11:16pm
           No, clips! Adrianna 357 0 Tue, 12:33am
       Collapse Your title made my heart skip! AshNazg 1080 4 May 24, 12:15am
           Collapse I think Smaug the iron 1073 3 May 24, 12:23am
               Collapse I hope so. Mooseboy018 1043 2 May 24, 1:24am
                   Collapse My thought was the chariot scene... AshNazg 1039 1 May 24, 1:36am
                     Just what is PJ & Jabezz doing? Bombadil 834 0 Sun, 11:53am
       Well... lionoferebor 664 0 Sun, 5:52pm

  Moved: THE HOBBIT A Capella Smaug the iron - - Mon, 11:56pm Jump to last post in thread (by Smaug the iron)

  Collapse The Battle Of The Five Armies - Extended Edition PART 2 Smaug the iron 1354 10 Sun, 7:13pm Jump to last post in thread (by Bombadil)
       Collapse About that chariot Kilidoescartwheels 1290 4 Sun, 7:40pm
           At Smaug the iron 1274 0 Sun, 7:46pm
           Thrain Mooseboy018 1258 0 Sun, 8:01pm
           Collapse Hmm... lionoferebor 1011 1 Mon, 3:38am
               Dain Mooseboy018 1000 0 Mon, 4:16am
       Collapse I am not looking forward the chariot Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 1122 4 Sun, 10:49pm
           Collapse I think the chariot could be fun... AshNazg 1119 3 Sun, 11:01pm
               haha yeah I get your feeling Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 1114 0 Sun, 11:04pm
               Collapse It could be fun Bishop 1056 1 Mon, 1:33am
                 MOST Excellent post! by Pryftan AV,whoever he is... Bombadil 945 0 Mon, 7:36am
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