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Movie Discussion: The Hobbit
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  Collapse what if tauriel and kili did get together... balbo biggins 611 20 Mon, 3:15pm Jump to last post in thread (by dormouse)
       Collapse Too different? Otaku-sempai 559 6 Mon, 3:48pm
           Collapse cmon, if course they could! balbo biggins 420 5 Mon, 7:50pm
               Collapse You know what happens when you assume. Otaku-sempai 409 4 Mon, 8:11pm
                   Collapse but... balbo biggins 378 3 Mon, 10:16pm
                       Collapse Don't confuse physical compatability with genetic compatability. Otaku-sempai 331 2 Mon, 11:01pm
                           Collapse very similar balbo biggins 302 1 Mon, 11:39pm
                               Fanfic? Otaku-sempai 242 0 4:23am
       Dwelves? Kilidoescartwheels 548 0 Mon, 4:02pm
       Collapse Wouldn't happen... dormouse 478 8 Mon, 6:25pm
           Collapse Why not? Bishop 364 7 Mon, 10:05pm
               Collapse Two reasons... dormouse 224 6 8:01am
                   By Elbereth, I think you've got it..... the 13th warrior 192 0 9:32am
                   Courtly Love Otaku-sempai 137 0 1:27pm
                   Collapse Great post, thanks! But I still disagree Bishop 97 2 3:38pm
                       My take on the "trousers" line Kilidoescartwheels 65 0 5:05pm
                       Feel free to disagree, that's fine by me :-) dormouse 26 0 7:04pm
                   Indeed, I agree as JRRT says in Letters Brethil 54 0 5:37pm
       If you divorce the movies completely from the books... well, pretty much anything is possible. Nomad 355 0 Mon, 10:19pm
       Collapse Well Glorfindela 343 1 Mon, 10:38pm
           No, Dwarves are too different. Elizabeth 211 0 8:15am

  The Children of Hurin Illustrations look very similar to some scenes Hobbity Hobbit 64 0 6:50pm Jump to last post in thread (by Hobbity Hobbit)

  Collapse A flow chart/list of all the story/character changes in the Hobbit films? Goldeneye 179 5 3:45pm Jump to last post in thread (by Thrain II)
       Collapse We will never know all of it... Thrain II 170 2 3:55pm
           Collapse cool Goldeneye 101 1 5:22pm
               No problem! Thrain II 70 0 5:46pm
       Azog/Bolg Shagrat 139 0 4:35pm
       Hoperfully they talk about it in the appendices. Smaug the iron 75 0 5:40pm

  Collapse Beorn gets tortured in Dol Guldur (BOFA EE) PryftanAW 1140 28 Mon, 7:25pm Jump to last post in thread (by NoelGallagher)
       Collapse or cut from movie tattooed_dwarf 1081 8 Mon, 7:28pm
           youve made the EE videos on youtube NoelGallagher 1075 0 Mon, 7:32pm
           Collapse I'm not sure,but... PryftanAW 1046 6 Mon, 7:54pm
               Collapse Yeah but Thrain II 999 3 Mon, 8:19pm
                   a flashback is still possible NoelGallagher 990 0 Mon, 8:25pm
                   My thoughts too....it would reference the wrist shackles he has when hosting the company. Eruonen 930 0 Mon, 8:59pm
                   Or maybe Beorn just decided to go investigate DG himself and got captured lurtz2010 718 0 1:40am
               Wow that has to be in the EE lurtz2010 733 0 1:16am
               Remember we got a lego set OldestDaughter 189 0 3:28pm
       Thanks for sharing! Thrain II 1045 0 Mon, 7:53pm
       I love it. Smaug the iron 1008 0 Mon, 8:12pm
       Appears revolting Glorfindela 837 0 Mon, 10:44pm
       Baaaaa! Bracegirdle 755 0 12:43am
       Collapse What if Beorn is captured after he helps the company boldog 535 14 8:29am
           Collapse good idea Sir Boldog NoelGallagher 483 10 10:10am
               The image is from the website of an make-up artist PryftanAW 475 0 10:21am
               Collapse That's very possible... AshNazg 429 8 11:38am
                   yes NoelGallagher 414 0 11:51am
                   Interesting Shagrat 356 0 12:47pm
                   Collapse "So Bolg could become Legolas's enemy, rather than Beorn's" KingTurgon 219 5 3:02pm
                       Probably to bring more people to the theatres Thrain II 190 0 3:28pm
                       Messy messy Goldeneye 111 0 3:29pm
                       Collapse I wonder if... tsmith675 104 2 3:37pm
                           Collapse Perhaps Shagrat 96 1 3:51pm
                               actually NoelGallagher 59 0 5:22pm
           Collapse It's hard for me to believe Thrain II 409 1 11:53am
               i expect it to be in the EE NoelGallagher 396 0 12:00pm
           Doesn't work for TH:BotFA Otaku-sempai 325 0 1:11pm

  Collapse The fate of Tauriel, Radagast and Alfrid: what will happen to them? DainPig 724 32 Mon, 12:02am Jump to last post in thread (by Bumblingidiot)
       Collapse I'm not sure, OldestDaughter 670 1 Mon, 12:19am
           okay, he will scape DainPig 665 0 Mon, 12:28am
       Collapse Alfrid Otaku-sempai 646 3 Mon, 1:20am
         Collapse SPOILER here too about Otaku's post DainPig 635 2 Mon, 1:40am
               Collapse official Mooseboy018 630 1 Mon, 1:48am
                   To me DainPig 624 0 Mon, 1:53am
       Collapse Tauriel and Radagast Mooseboy018 624 1 Mon, 1:54am
           Radagast's farewell DainPig 617 0 Mon, 2:00am
       Collapse Speaking of unresolved conclusions... MyWeeLadGimli 583 1 Mon, 3:35am
           confirmed Mooseboy018 557 0 Mon, 4:21am
       Collapse Neither Tauriel nor Radaghast will die Kilidoescartwheels 578 7 Mon, 3:41am
           Collapse The Master's (Book) Fate Otaku-sempai 541 6 Mon, 4:31am
               Collapse Alfrid dead in the wild? How this would work? DainPig 532 5 Mon, 4:44am
                   Collapse In the marshes Otaku-sempai 529 4 Mon, 5:00am
                       Collapse For me, no.... Avandel 308 3 Mon, 2:46pm
                           Collapse Realism (and Tolkien) has little to do with it. Otaku-sempai 281 2 Mon, 3:30pm
                               Collapse LOL realism Avandel 174 1 Mon, 6:40pm
                                   I'm still not sure about the end. Otaku-sempai 141 0 Mon, 8:01pm
       Collapse How about nothing? dormouse 488 6 Mon, 7:10am
           Alfrid's death was in an early cut of BotFA in October or so, I believe, according to Doug Adams IIRC. // Bofur01 396 0 Mon, 11:13am
           Agree Avandel 316 0 Mon, 2:37pm
           Collapse How about nothing indeed Glorfindela 301 3 Mon, 2:48pm
               Collapse Well, re Radagast... Avandel 297 2 Mon, 2:54pm
                   Collapse But Glorfindela 294 1 Mon, 3:01pm
                       Of course - love Beorn! Avandel 174 0 Mon, 6:46pm
       Hmm CathrineB 400 0 Mon, 10:58am
       I remember some interview shortly after the BotFA release where... Imladris18 260 0 Mon, 4:37pm
       Collapse Radagast - no staff, no wizard DainPig 115 1 Mon, 11:49pm
           Well, had to do a quick look-up on wizard staffs.... Avandel 108 0 12:28am
       Collapse Hmm Bernhardina 60 1 1:45pm
           On Radagast in LOTR Spriggan 41 0 2:45pm
       Tauriel's fate. Bumblingidiot 24 0 4:50pm

  Collapse The Legolas-Defying-Gravity controversy Legolas_Shoehorn 909 25 Fri, 6:02am Jump to last post in thread (by Spriggan)
       I'm with you CathrineB 808 0 Fri, 6:33am
       Collapse It wasn't OK Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf 743 2 Fri, 10:46am
           I agree Glorfindela 688 0 Fri, 12:45pm
           Ditto Avandel 551 0 Fri, 4:05pm
       Collapse I think Skaan 729 1 Fri, 11:24am
           Actually Goldeneye 588 0 Fri, 2:54pm
       Collapse Is there a controversy? dormouse 731 8 Fri, 11:26am
           Collapse It might be unfair... Macfeast 685 2 Fri, 1:04pm
               Collapse Ah..... dormouse 668 1 Fri, 1:28pm
                   Fair enough. Macfeast 627 0 Fri, 2:09pm
           Collapse I guess I have to be in the minority here (which I can live with!) I like the scene. Brethil 97 4 Mon, 10:31pm
               Collapse Oh Brethil, I'm glad you're here.... dormouse 88 3 Mon, 11:00pm
                 Collapse Waste of a good turnip! Meneldor 77 1 12:06am
                       Yes, it didn't really work as an effect for me, in terms of the look of the thing. Spriggan 25 0 2:52pm
                 Would that be a sharpened turnip? Particularly dangerous. // Brethil 70 0 12:27am
       I don't mind the Legolas scenes Elarie 678 0 Fri, 1:11pm
       I think there were two factors with Legolas Bishop 507 0 Fri, 6:14pm
       I love Legolas the Elf, just as he is mae govannen 369 0 Sat, 8:28am
       Collapse I agree it's the scene, not the character Kilidoescartwheels 242 2 Sun, 9:21pm
           These specific objections I can understand mae govannen 180 0 Mon, 1:42pm
           The scene would have been perfect Milieuterrien 145 0 Mon, 4:44pm
       Collapse It seems like nobody has the cajones to tell Peter..."ahh, let us not do that" Eruonen 163 3 Mon, 4:02pm
           I wouldn't mind 45+ minutes Kilidoescartwheels 149 0 Mon, 4:36pm
           Collapse From the sound of the commentaries... AshNazg 145 1 Mon, 5:06pm
               I recall the bunny sled meeting, there were some uneasy looks at the table Eruonen 141 0 Mon, 5:09pm

  Collapse Help me tie down the difference between LOTR and Hobbit HelmHammerHand 961 17 Jul 15, 8:01am Jump to last post in thread (by Bernhardina)
       Collapse Nja CathrineB 882 7 Jul 15, 9:37am
           Collapse A few things... Dcole4 670 6 Jul 15, 7:35pm
               Collapse This is IMO beautifully said.... Avandel 650 1 Jul 15, 7:55pm
                   I'm still not sure... Pandallo 629 0 Jul 15, 8:25pm
               Collapse THIS THIS THIS Mooseboy018 547 3 Jul 16, 1:33am
                   Collapse The book. Smaug the iron 485 2 Jul 16, 8:42am
                       Collapse You're missing the point. Mooseboy018 411 1 Jul 16, 7:54pm
                           I understand it from a film point of you Smaug the iron 399 0 Jul 16, 9:02pm
       Sorry, can't help you much, I get the same feeling from both of them... dormouse 784 0 Jul 15, 2:02pm
       Collapse Hmmmmm Avandel 666 1 Jul 15, 7:35pm
           "The base material of the films is different and targeted to a different audience" Elizabeth 578 0 Jul 15, 10:40pm
       Collapse I'm always so puzzled by this Kilidoescartwheels 616 1 Jul 15, 8:59pm
           There was that one moment in the Moria Milieuterrien 578 0 Jul 15, 10:36pm
       A journey like life itself simplyaven 553 0 Jul 16, 1:05am
       The difference? Avnar 389 0 Jul 16, 9:50pm
       I prefer the lighter less gritty feel of the hobbit movies... Lindelorne 117 0 Jul 21, 11:23am
       They are different in some ways Bernhardina 16 0 1:59pm

  Collapse Has WB/NL commented about the future of the 'franchise?' frodolives 980 8 Jul 12, 12:01am Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)
       Collapse No plans that we know of... Otaku-sempai 861 5 Jul 12, 5:27am
           Collapse Considering... BalrogTrainer 248 4 Jul 16, 9:06am
               Collapse Honestly... Otaku-sempai 243 3 Jul 16, 9:28am
                   Collapse I doubt... BalrogTrainer 238 2 Jul 16, 10:43am
                       Possibly... Otaku-sempai 226 0 Jul 16, 1:53pm
                       He also said he would've reprised his role in The Hobbit if his inclusion "made sense." Imladris18 208 0 Jul 16, 4:07pm
       Collapse I would love to see Cirashala 22 1 5:25am
           The War of the Dwarves and Orcs Otaku-sempai 9 0 1:34pm

  Collapse Who would you cast as Thorin if Richard Armitage didn't take the part? Goldeneye 666 31 Fri, 5:36pm Jump to last post in thread (by the 13th warrior)
       We shoud see an audition Elanor of Rohan 593 0 Fri, 5:51pm
       Collapse It would depend how the part was written.... dormouse 576 4 Fri, 6:49pm
           Collapse re: Goldeneye 527 3 Fri, 8:07pm
               Collapse I've never seen your man act.... dormouse 486 2 Fri, 9:51pm
                   Collapse Ha Goldeneye 473 1 Fri, 10:25pm
                       Game of Thrones isn't shown on UK terrestrial TV... dormouse 315 0 Sat, 8:30am
       Well, Thorin was younger in the films. Otaku-sempai 562 0 Fri, 7:13pm
       Dillane would've made a fantastic Denethor... Elutherian 520 0 Fri, 8:23pm
       I've no idea why that man is Glorfindela 458 0 Fri, 10:47pm
       Loved Dillane as Stannis Baratheon... Salmacis81 442 0 Fri, 11:24pm
       Collapse Okay, for sake of argument... Kilidoescartwheels 439 10 Fri, 11:36pm
           Collapse The explanation I heard... Salmacis81 429 3 Fri, 11:44pm
               Collapse On that topic... Pandallo 421 1 Fri, 11:51pm
                   I never really bought their whole "friendship" though... Salmacis81 410 0 Sat, 12:03am
               Have you seen him lately? Kilidoescartwheels 396 0 Sat, 12:25am
           Collapse Brian Cox Mooseboy018 427 5 Fri, 11:45pm
               Collapse Really? That's interesting Kilidoescartwheels 396 4 Sat, 12:26am
                   Collapse GTD Mooseboy018 338 3 Sat, 6:42am
                       Collapse I don't think so. Glorfindela 308 2 Sat, 9:07am
                           Agreed on all counts dormouse 285 0 Sat, 12:21pm
                           Rollicking and Rumbustious! Goldeneye 243 0 Sat, 2:13pm
       Collapse I had assume Thorin would be like Theoden! Avandel 414 6 Sat, 12:04am
           Collapse If another actor had fallen over... Macfeast 273 5 Sat, 1:07pm
               Collapse *Bows* and in no way was I..... Avandel 226 2 Sat, 3:39pm
                   Collapse Of course. I know you to be very fair. Macfeast 184 1 Sat, 4:30pm
                       Jean Reno (the actor who played 'Leon with young Natalie Portman') Milieuterrien 57 0 Mon, 4:36pm
               Collapse Oliver Reed was famous for (among many other things) Starling 150 1 Sat, 9:07pm
                   We shared a crush, Starling.... dormouse 139 0 Sat, 10:06pm
       Collapse Dillane's Great, but what of Clive Standen or Eric Bana or Clive Owen??? the 13th warrior 132 2 Sat, 10:36pm
           Collapse I doubt Clive Standring is old enough Kilidoescartwheels 66 1 Mon, 4:04pm
               I think I might rank them..... the 13th warrior 26 0 8:55am

  Collapse Did the moth reappear in BOFA? Earl 333 2 Mon, 11:07am Jump to last post in thread (by Earl)
       Collapse I don't believe it did appear. Imladris18 205 1 Mon, 4:28pm
           True Earl 63 0 8:20am

  Collapse Another thought on why it took the Laketown 4 so long Kilidoescartwheels 555 32 Jun 25, 5:16pm Jump to last post in thread (by Milieuterrien)
       That makes sense! Hobbity Hobbit 512 0 Jun 25, 5:26pm
       Collapse That's not right, I'm afraid. Spriggan 478 1 Jun 25, 6:05pm
           Then he contradicts himself Kilidoescartwheels 391 0 Jun 25, 7:26pm
       Collapse "Durin's Day falls the morn after next." Otaku-sempai 465 28 Jun 25, 6:16pm
           Collapse Unless it is an unusual use of the term "falls". Spriggan 438 27 Jun 25, 6:43pm
               Collapse One of the lines seem like an error. Otaku-sempai 432 20 Jun 25, 6:51pm
                   Collapse I'm not sure one day or two Spriggan 411 19 Jun 25, 7:17pm
                       Collapse Distances. Otaku-sempai 387 18 Jun 25, 7:41pm
                           Collapse As ever (!) I wouldn't share the principle Spriggan 364 17 Jun 25, 8:09pm
                               Collapse As the four Dwarves took two days to reach Erebor's entrance Milieuterrien 353 15 Jun 25, 8:26pm
                                   Collapse I'm not quite sure I follow. Spriggan 350 13 Jun 25, 8:31pm
                                       Collapse Balin has such an obsession about that day Milieuterrien 347 12 Jun 25, 8:37pm
                                           Paranoia? Otaku-sempai 337 0 Jun 25, 8:49pm
                                           Collapse Sorry you've lost me there! Spriggan 330 10 Jun 25, 8:57pm
                                               Collapse It could be nightfall for the next day Milieuterrien 314 9 Jun 25, 9:39pm
                                                   Anything is possible. Spriggan 308 0 Jun 25, 9:52pm
                                                   Collapse Balin and Bofur Otaku-sempai 150 7 Jun 25, 11:22pm
                                                       Collapse In fairness, the urgency works well Spriggan 143 1 Jun 25, 11:36pm
                                                           Maybe so. Otaku-sempai 139 0 Jun 25, 11:45pm
                                                       Collapse The Bofur factor Milieuterrien 127 4 Jun 26, 1:53am
                                                           Collapse Yes. Otaku-sempai 113 1 Jun 26, 4:41am
                                                               Relation between Thorin and Bofur Milieuterrien 110 0 Jun 26, 5:43am
                                                           Collapse actually Cirashala 24 1 4:59am
                                                               I don't think the four took more time than the nine Milieuterrien 13 0 6:45am
                                   Actually, yes. Otaku-sempai 344 0 Jun 25, 8:41pm
                               Healthy skepticism Otaku-sempai 346 0 Jun 25, 8:39pm
               Collapse Balin's line may have been an error of him Milieuterrien 421 5 Jun 25, 7:11pm
                   Collapse I do wish they'd explained that better Kilidoescartwheels 387 1 Jun 25, 7:36pm
                       Yes Balin is reluctant about the quest, but Milieuterrien 355 0 Jun 25, 8:23pm
                   That is not quite it... Otaku-sempai 377 0 Jun 25, 7:49pm
                   Collapse He's not the only one... Eleniel 375 1 Jun 25, 7:56pm
                       Neither Radagast nor Balin are senile IMO Milieuterrien 363 0 Jun 25, 8:12pm

  Collapse [Poll] What color will BOFA SEE be? TheHutt 1152 27 Jul 17, 2:22pm Jump to last post in thread (by Cirashala)
       I think/hope Smaug the iron 1049 0 Jul 17, 2:24pm
       I don't know, but OldestDaughter 1043 0 Jul 17, 2:35pm
       Collapse I hope light grey or dark grey PryftanAW 1020 1 Jul 17, 3:03pm
         WOWie! PryftanAV! Great to see you here Bombadil 508 0 Jul 19, 11:24am
       Red-brown? Avandel 987 0 Jul 17, 3:39pm
       Collapse It'll most likely be purple. tsmith675 943 1 Jul 17, 5:41pm
           Agreed KingTurgon 334 0 Jul 20, 4:00pm
       1) Light Grey 2) (Cursed) Gold Milieuterrien 905 0 Jul 17, 6:45pm
       Light Grey/White Mooseboy018 846 0 Jul 17, 8:52pm
       The most obvious answer of all... Gandalf the Green 848 0 Jul 17, 8:56pm
       I'm hoping for light grey! Arthael 807 0 Jul 17, 10:22pm
       Baby-Poo Brown Crunchable Birdses 787 0 Jul 17, 10:52pm
       Light grey for me Glorfindela 785 0 Jul 17, 10:55pm
       Collapse I hope it's purple... werewormses 662 1 Jul 18, 3:58pm
           Agreed... Eleniel 597 0 Jul 18, 8:56pm
       Red? // macfalk 629 0 Jul 18, 6:20pm
       Collapse Should, and probably will be, purple MechaGodzilla 615 3 Jul 18, 7:14pm
         Collapse WE Don't have Gold YET..?// Bombadil 504 2 Jul 19, 11:27am
               Puple! CathrineB 504 0 Jul 19, 11:33am
               Well, I certainly do... Eleniel 452 0 Jul 19, 3:31pm
       Gold/Purple PryftanAW 476 0 Jul 19, 1:35pm
       Possibly Purple..... adt100 370 0 Jul 20, 11:57am
       Collapse I have wondered about this too. seelbach 258 3 Jul 21, 7:51am
           Collapse As far as I know this is fanart TheHutt 244 2 Jul 21, 9:10am
               Collapse Now that 'materials' have been mentioned.... adt100 116 1 Jul 22, 4:01pm
                   other possible materials? seelbach 81 0 Jul 23, 2:41am
       Durin blue Cirashala 12 0 5:36am

Collapse US/Canada EE release date Nov. 17th PryftanAW 832 8 Sun, 5:08pm Jump to last post in thread (by Avandel)
       That's not the type of EE news I wanted to hear tsmith675 655 0 Sun, 9:10pm
       Really sad news DainPig 566 0 Sun, 11:28pm
       booooooooo Mooseboy018 513 0 Mon, 1:56am
       Collapse Aargh...! *big sigh* mae govannen 340 2 Mon, 1:55pm
           Collapse Well, it's really just about the same wait as before, isn't it... dormouse 300 1 Mon, 3:14pm
               Agreed, besides, what is the rush? Avandel 193 0 Mon, 6:50pm
       Collapse The link doesn't give a date Kilidoescartwheels 267 1 Mon, 4:31pm
           I'm afraid it does.... dormouse 214 0 Mon, 6:18pm

Collapse A little History on "The Wilhelm SCREAM".. Bombadil 619 9 Jul 23, 1:40am Jump to last post in thread (by Bishop)
       Sneaky? Mooseboy018 558 0 Jul 23, 2:52am
       Collapse Sorry, I can't help myself Bishop 530 5 Jul 23, 5:18am
         Collapse From ONE B-Boy? to another B-Boy Bombadil 329 2 Jul 23, 6:07pm
               Collapse A little side note... Ilmatar 309 1 Jul 23, 7:36pm
                 THANKs..on ANOTHER Side Note Bombadil 253 0 Fri, 2:48am
           Collapse OMG! FoFo64 120 1 Sun, 2:08am
               :) Bishop 34 0 Mon, 6:18pm
       Collapse Personally, I'm on the verge of being familiar with it. Bumblingidiot 450 1 Jul 23, 11:54am
         IF Memory Serves...WHEN Bombadil 408 0 Jul 23, 1:40pm

  Collapse Azog playing Old Bolg part? Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 599 13 Sat, 10:06am Jump to last post in thread (by Smaug the iron)
       Collapse Well, yeah Thrain II 517 12 Sat, 12:20pm
           Collapse hmm Goldeneye 450 11 Sat, 3:40pm
               Collapse No Smaug the iron 447 10 Sat, 3:49pm
                   Collapse I'm not so sure. Mooseboy018 408 1 Sat, 5:36pm
                       Yes but Smaug the iron 401 0 Sat, 5:52pm
                   Collapse You sure about that? Salmacis81 228 7 Sun, 4:42pm
                       Collapse Well Yes Smaug the iron 216 5 Sun, 5:14pm
                           Collapse The original concept Beorn killed Bolg... AshNazg 123 4 Mon, 12:52pm
                               Collapse How do you know? Smaug the iron 111 3 Mon, 1:12pm
                                   Collapse no matter what NoelGallagher 95 2 Mon, 2:52pm
                                       Collapse Legolas Mooseboy018 65 1 Mon, 5:55pm
                                           Even Smaug the iron 63 0 Mon, 6:00pm
                       bear claws Mooseboy018 208 0 Sun, 5:30pm
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