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  Collapse "Racism" in Hobbit movies ElendurTheFaithful 1670 74 Jul 31 2012, 8:53am Jump to last post in thread (by Shelob'sAppetite)
       Isn't the part of middle earth we see Europe Welsh hero 807 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:57am
       Collapse This post sounds pretty racist to me... admin?... // Xanaseb 765 8 Jul 31 2012, 9:00am
           Collapse I'm sorry ElendurTheFaithful 784 7 Jul 31 2012, 9:04am
               Collapse I think it's an interesting discussion ... but as Xanaseb has said, the way it is worded puts me off / DanielLB 699 2 Jul 31 2012, 9:07am
                   Collapse I apologize to you too ElendurTheFaithful 646 1 Jul 31 2012, 9:12am
                       I don't think what you posted was "racism"...to me it was clearly about the issue of race Eruonen 453 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:14pm
               Collapse It's fine Elendur, thanks for your sincerity. I'm wondering whether Admin could edit the actual post .. but I suppose that's impossible. // Xanaseb 605 3 Jul 31 2012, 9:24am
                   Yes, I think it just needs re-wording so it reads more appropriately. / DanielLB 568 0 Jul 31 2012, 9:37am
                   Collapse Unfortunatelly ElendurTheFaithful 597 1 Jul 31 2012, 10:00am
                       Edited :-) Altaira 466 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:07pm
       Collapse No races apart from European ElendilTheShort 729 9 Jul 31 2012, 9:08am
           Collapse Well...I'm not sure it's quite so straightforward. Lacrimae Rerum 651 5 Jul 31 2012, 9:34am
               Collapse Of couse we have the juxtaposition of what is meant to be ElendilTheShort 597 3 Jul 31 2012, 9:57am
                   Collapse Ok tricky. Lacrimae Rerum 559 2 Jul 31 2012, 10:06am
                       Collapse Ignoring the perceived need to modernise ElendilTheShort 554 1 Jul 31 2012, 10:23am
                           I hope I am not Lacrimae Rerum 527 0 Jul 31 2012, 11:12am
               Tolkein was very interested in creating English mythology. Milknut 567 0 Jul 31 2012, 10:11am
           Collapse Speaking of tomatoes.... Dlanor da Great 349 2 Jul 31 2012, 3:10pm
               Earendil probably brought a few plants back.... Eruonen 339 0 Jul 31 2012, 3:42pm
               But Shelob'sAppetite 70 0 Aug 2 2012, 5:34am
       This again? Pipe Dream 571 0 Jul 31 2012, 10:24am
       Collapse Everything is not about colour... MartyB 562 4 Jul 31 2012, 10:58am
           Collapse Main characters are one thing. I don't think anyone is expecting or advocating AinurOlorin 222 3 Jul 31 2012, 8:29pm
               Collapse You dont have to be Italian or Greek to tan imin 204 1 Jul 31 2012, 8:42pm
                   Genetics are funny things. And no, tanning is not exclusive to any group AinurOlorin 199 0 Jul 31 2012, 9:40pm
               hmm, it depends on the type of film elostirion74 117 0 Aug 1 2012, 10:43am
       I liked the idea of Micheal Clarke Duncan for Beorn... QuackingTroll 507 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:11pm
       One opportunity dave_lf 474 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:21pm
       Collapse Samuel L. Jackson stoutfiles 465 9 Jul 31 2012, 12:53pm
           Sala is a native/// Bombadil 436 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:34pm
           Collapse Slightly OT Spaldron 319 7 Jul 31 2012, 4:39pm
               Thank you ElendurTheFaithful 289 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:58pm
               Collapse Not quite stoutfiles 255 4 Jul 31 2012, 6:37pm
                   Collapse Lucas might like extra money, but he doesn't need it. He has shown a lot of artistry AinurOlorin 243 2 Jul 31 2012, 7:26pm
                       Is everyone talking about the same films? pulpfiction16 144 0 Jul 31 2012, 10:24pm
                       Don't give him all the credit stoutfiles 91 0 Aug 1 2012, 8:46pm
                   He's also a good actor Shelob'sAppetite 73 0 Aug 2 2012, 5:36am
               Yes, the men from the south were darker, but let us not forget the Easterlings and the Eruonen 265 0 Jul 31 2012, 6:57pm
       Very much like an IMDB forum discussion Marionette 405 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:26pm
       Collapse Tolkien created the mythology of Middle-Earth to be a mythology for England. Gorbag 355 31 Jul 31 2012, 3:10pm
           Other races at Lake-town? Otaku-sempai 240 0 Jul 31 2012, 7:56pm
           Collapse I don't think the historical authenticity argument is a great one Lacrimae Rerum 243 29 Jul 31 2012, 8:00pm
               Collapse Does anyone know approx how many black people were in Europe in middle ages? imin 228 1 Jul 31 2012, 8:17pm
                   Not easy to establish. Lacrimae Rerum 227 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:29pm
               Collapse Where and what Tolkien built Middle-Earth from. Gorbag 209 14 Jul 31 2012, 9:09pm
                   Collapse Well I agree with this in part. Lacrimae Rerum 176 13 Jul 31 2012, 9:53pm
                       Collapse I don't think Tolkien was partiuclarly racist, but the focus here is actually on the current filmmakers AinurOlorin 164 9 Jul 31 2012, 10:01pm
                           Collapse I think your portrayal of their ''Intent'' is unfair. Gorbag 244 7 Jul 31 2012, 10:26pm
                               Collapse The source material didn't include any lady Elf guards named Tauriel. It DID have brown Stoors ,and Harad as a Southern neighbour of sorts to Gondor AinurOlorin 257 6 Jul 31 2012, 10:39pm
                                   I think one has to look to the audience in addition. Lacrimae Rerum 236 0 Jul 31 2012, 10:46pm
                                   Collapse You confuse the "Harfoots" with the "Stoors". Beutlin 261 3 Jul 31 2012, 11:12pm
                                       Collapse There are some very dark brown Greeks and Itallians. Some Greeks and AinurOlorin 219 2 Jul 31 2012, 11:28pm
                                           Collapse Contrary to what you have heard, the film team has shown a "modicum of sensitivity in ethnic matters": Beutlin 234 1 Jul 31 2012, 11:40pm
                                               That is called avoiding a scandal AinurOlorin 209 0 Aug 1 2012, 12:18am
                                   well elostirion74 103 0 Aug 1 2012, 1:40pm
                           I think this is not true Shelob'sAppetite 91 0 Aug 2 2012, 5:42am
                       Collapse Yeah, i didnt mean you were arguing he was racist, more as a general point over the whole issue.// Gorbag 150 2 Jul 31 2012, 10:03pm
                           Collapse No no and I wasn't Lacrimae Rerum 151 1 Jul 31 2012, 10:06pm
                               Ah ok :) // Gorbag 141 0 Jul 31 2012, 10:07pm
               Collapse LR your points are noted ElendilTheShort 223 11 Jul 31 2012, 11:26pm
                   Collapse There was a great deal of movement Lacrimae Rerum 202 10 Aug 1 2012, 12:21am
                       Collapse Wonderful observation. AinurOlorin 202 9 Aug 1 2012, 12:30am
                           Collapse Specifying the race of every person in NW ME would be an impossibility and you know this. ElendilTheShort 194 6 Aug 1 2012, 1:02am
                               Collapse The Southroner was also of note because he seemed to be mixed with Goblin AinurOlorin 182 1 Aug 1 2012, 3:30am
                                   I do not think we are going to agree on this. ElendilTheShort 163 0 Aug 1 2012, 4:50am
                               Collapse It feels like Lacrimae Rerum 141 3 Aug 1 2012, 9:33am
                                   I would like to quote two older posts of mine on this matter: Beutlin 139 0 Aug 1 2012, 10:28am
                                   Collapse You or no one else ElendilTheShort 132 1 Aug 1 2012, 10:51am
                                       I think that is a slightly different point Lacrimae Rerum 122 0 Aug 1 2012, 12:03pm
                           Collapse There was also one of Faramir's soldiers... Otaku-sempai 105 1 Aug 1 2012, 10:27pm
                               Nice catch. And an Elf and a Gondorian no less! AinurOlorin 83 0 Aug 2 2012, 2:29am
       I don't know about black characters... Gnomeo 324 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:00pm
       The Brown stoors.. . I know the argument will be made that The Stoors AinurOlorin 291 0 Jul 31 2012, 7:22pm
       Tolkien A racist? billzy2 169 0 Jul 31 2012, 10:10pm

  Collapse Let's have a fun discussion, what film will each chapter appear in? Welsh hero 760 24 Jul 31 2012, 8:14am Jump to last post in thread (by The Grey Wanderer)
       Collapse My theory (Based on possible title riddles in the dark) Welsh hero 444 8 Jul 31 2012, 8:15am
           Collapse I've said it elsewhere, but Riddles cannot be in film 2 DanielLB 431 4 Jul 31 2012, 8:19am
               You made the same list I would make ;) painjoiker 251 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:35pm
               Collapse Oh.. I should really read other peoples' posts... QuackingTroll 237 2 Jul 31 2012, 12:54pm
                   Collapse Apart from you're missing out Laketown ;-P / DanielLB 219 1 Jul 31 2012, 12:58pm
                       Caught the editing window just in time! *victory dance* // QuackingTroll 218 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:03pm
           Collapse I like this break down Escapist 222 2 Jul 31 2012, 1:05pm
               Collapse I'm not convinced DanielLB 218 1 Jul 31 2012, 1:12pm
                   Basically Arathorn 208 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:24pm
       I really have no idea how they'll do it lurtz2010 331 0 Jul 31 2012, 9:01am
       Collapse Here we go Arathorn 253 2 Jul 31 2012, 12:51pm
           Collapse I agree with this Finarfin 173 1 Jul 31 2012, 2:52pm
               One Addendum to my first post Finarfin 153 0 Jul 31 2012, 3:12pm
       Okay, here's my guess... QuackingTroll 258 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:53pm
       Collapse I think pushing through Mirkwood is too much material to cover for an equal pace GoodGuyA 204 2 Jul 31 2012, 2:36pm
           Collapse Pacing is a key issue in deciding. Escapist 109 1 Jul 31 2012, 7:38pm
               My answer to the original question is Escapist 96 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:24pm
       Collapse I can't see how Smaugly 208 2 Jul 31 2012, 2:37pm
           Also Smaugly 172 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:53pm
           yup. Tmoh 165 0 Jul 31 2012, 3:03pm
       Collapse Wraps everything up nice and neat stoutfiles 164 2 Jul 31 2012, 4:08pm
           There is a nice structure there... Foromir 127 0 Jul 31 2012, 6:29pm
           Very good, I would make some slight shuffles with the extras... The Grey Wanderer 73 0 Jul 31 2012, 11:10pm
       Ok here's my take.... Spaldron 166 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:23pm

  Collapse How to handle the dragon? Milknut 802 54 Jul 31 2012, 8:10am Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)
       Collapse With great caution? dormouse 394 5 Jul 31 2012, 9:20am
           Collapse First consideration ElendilTheShort 363 4 Jul 31 2012, 10:43am
               Collapse Could I just decline from the agreement.... dormouse 352 1 Jul 31 2012, 10:59am
                   No need to decline. ElendilTheShort 330 0 Jul 31 2012, 11:27am
               Not sure if others got it, but this post was great, made me laugh! :P // imin 315 0 Jul 31 2012, 11:29am
               *snicker* dernwyn 298 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:20pm
       Collapse They can't kill Smaug until film 3 nobofthepony 286 46 Jul 31 2012, 3:26pm
           Collapse Repurcusions DanielLB 266 22 Jul 31 2012, 3:35pm
               Collapse Not so sure... Lucky Luke 246 18 Jul 31 2012, 3:56pm
                   Collapse If it's the weak link then why not put the death of DanielLB 251 17 Jul 31 2012, 3:58pm
                       Collapse Because the Battle of Five Armies will just feel like an add-on nobofthepony 251 2 Jul 31 2012, 4:11pm
                           Collapse I was worried about the same thing. DanielLB 220 1 Jul 31 2012, 4:18pm
                               I did, but I remain unconvinced nobofthepony 205 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:57pm
                       Collapse I kind of like this idea Flagg 215 13 Jul 31 2012, 5:38pm
                           Collapse Interesting. The part of the LOTR films I watch the most is Shelob'sAppetite 217 2 Jul 31 2012, 5:52pm
                               Collapse Dont we see merry and pippin at the long expected party? imin 202 1 Jul 31 2012, 5:55pm
                                   Sorry, I meant when they bump into Frodo and Sam in the cornfield Shelob'sAppetite 186 0 Jul 31 2012, 6:08pm
                           "the one with the dragon" Lucky Luke 163 0 Jul 31 2012, 7:43pm
                           Collapse Ok, let's say Smaug is killed in film 2... nobofthepony 131 8 Jul 31 2012, 8:50pm
                               A shot of the orcs, wargs, Men and Elves setting off for their share in gold? / DanielLB 122 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:55pm
                               Collapse To keep the tension high throughout films two and three: artemy 51 5 Aug 1 2012, 7:55pm
                                   Collapse They can't really give it the title "The Hobbit" then. DanielLB 42 4 Aug 1 2012, 7:58pm
                                       Sorry, I wasn't specific enough artemy 64 0 Aug 1 2012, 8:04pm
                                       Collapse I'm coming around to your way of thinking about this... Otaku-sempai 49 2 Aug 1 2012, 10:40pm
                                           Collapse Smaug will go down in film 2 Yngwulff 48 1 Aug 1 2012, 10:54pm
                                               Yes, that seems to be the general consensus... Otaku-sempai 57 0 Aug 1 2012, 10:57pm
                               Smaug is dead, but... Otaku-sempai 52 0 Aug 1 2012, 10:36pm
               Collapse The Hobbit 3: The Heated Argument Over What To Do With The Money nobofthepony 241 2 Jul 31 2012, 4:05pm
                   See this thread: DanielLB 229 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:08pm
                   Or Hobbit 3: The Most Important Thematic Material in the Entire Film Shelob'sAppetite 221 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:24pm
           Smaug is the main antagonist Lucky Luke 262 0 Jul 31 2012, 3:42pm
           Collapse Disagreed Shelob'sAppetite 236 21 Jul 31 2012, 4:20pm
               Agreed DanielLB 216 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:23pm
               Collapse It may be almost as fascinating as an entire film comprised of senate scenes in the Star Wars prequels nobofthepony 221 19 Jul 31 2012, 4:53pm
                   Collapse BoFA is more interesting than Pelennor, IMO Shelob'sAppetite 212 17 Jul 31 2012, 5:03pm
                       Collapse I don't disagree with you, but they need butts in seats nobofthepony 194 14 Jul 31 2012, 5:09pm
                           I am also thinking about the general audience Shelob'sAppetite 182 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:24pm
                           I suspect Smaug will be dealt with by the second film - Hanzkaz 182 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:29pm
                           Collapse Unless they leave film 2 on a cliffhanger DanielLB 174 8 Jul 31 2012, 6:36pm
                               Collapse Cliffhangers can be aggravating, though Flagg 175 7 Jul 31 2012, 6:59pm
                                   Collapse It depends on the execution DanielLB 165 6 Jul 31 2012, 7:04pm
                                       Collapse Well, cliffhangers usually feel cheap to me... Foromir 146 5 Jul 31 2012, 8:10pm
                                           Collapse Well then ... DanielLB 140 4 Jul 31 2012, 8:19pm
                                             Collapse That'd be better! // Foromir 133 3 Jul 31 2012, 8:22pm
                                                   Collapse nobofthepony wasn't convinced though DanielLB 132 2 Jul 31 2012, 8:24pm
                                                       Collapse It is quite a dilemma isn't it? // Foromir 128 1 Jul 31 2012, 8:27pm
                                                           stalemate ;-P // nobofthepony 135 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:44pm
                           Collapse I don't fall under 'general audience', but Eowyn of Penns Woods 157 2 Jul 31 2012, 8:17pm
                               All these problems start with dividing the film in 3 parts... Foromir 158 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:25pm
                               What does being a gamer have to do with wanting an extended Battle of Five Armies...? Flagg 61 0 Aug 1 2012, 4:29pm
                       Collapse Bo5A Lucky Luke 173 1 Jul 31 2012, 7:29pm
                           This. Milknut 76 0 Aug 1 2012, 7:57am
                   Senate scenes Lucky Luke 183 0 Jul 31 2012, 7:17pm
       Don't Escapist 108 0 Jul 31 2012, 9:21pm

  Collapse TORn staff mull over the Hobbit Three announcement News from Bree 509 14 Jul 31 2012, 8:01am Jump to last post in thread (by Yngwulff)
       Collapse Thank you for this TORn staff! DanielLB 223 7 Jul 31 2012, 1:41pm
           Collapse And... Black Breathalizer 225 6 Jul 31 2012, 1:46pm
               Collapse consider how this could be even more than 'just three hours' of additional music Magpie 245 2 Jul 31 2012, 1:50pm
                   Collapse I wish! Elizabeth 87 1 Jul 31 2012, 9:22pm
                       It did say ... Yngwulff 40 0 Aug 2 2012, 12:29am
               Collapse I suppose that's an undeniable plus GoodGuyA 207 2 Jul 31 2012, 2:30pm
                   Collapse You simply cannot know that the pacing will be worse Shelob'sAppetite 173 1 Jul 31 2012, 4:10pm
                       I totally agree Snaga 112 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:32pm
       Collapse Thanks for this dormouse 199 1 Jul 31 2012, 2:54pm
           This Is Peter Jackson's The Hobbit, Before Anything Else The Grey Elf 158 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:51pm
       Collapse Waiting For Success JWPlatt 203 3 Jul 31 2012, 3:14pm
           It's also probable that the third movie will require some restructuring of the first. dalecooper 202 0 Jul 31 2012, 3:21pm
           Collapse Mis-quote Altaira 177 1 Jul 31 2012, 4:25pm
               Misquote JWPlatt 169 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:28pm

  Collapse How would you like to see Beorn's on-screen transformation visualized? MatthewJer18 487 21 Jul 31 2012, 5:55am Jump to last post in thread (by Seaber)
       He should throw down a smoke bomb ElendilTheShort 243 0 Jul 31 2012, 6:02am
       Collapse Now that we have three films Shelob'sAppetite 258 1 Jul 31 2012, 6:30am
           No, I don't think so Ongyage 226 0 Jul 31 2012, 7:30am
       Collapse Nothing like DanielLB 200 10 Jul 31 2012, 8:03am
           Collapse The traditional way it is shown seems the most "possible" ElendilTheShort 185 5 Jul 31 2012, 9:23am
               Collapse I'm not familiar with the Hulk transformaion DanielLB 167 4 Jul 31 2012, 9:26am
                   Collapse A huge leap in human form into Bolg's bodyguards ElendilTheShort 173 3 Jul 31 2012, 9:30am
                       Collapse Sounds a bit Twilight-y? / DanielLB 149 2 Jul 31 2012, 9:31am
                           Collapse I wouldn't know about anything Twilight thank goodness. ElendilTheShort 140 1 Jul 31 2012, 9:41am
                               I've not seen Twilight either DanielLB 135 0 Jul 31 2012, 9:50am
           Collapse I came on here just to say "Not like American Werewolf..." QuackingTroll 120 2 Jul 31 2012, 12:17pm
               Collapse Visually, the American Werewolf transformation is great DanielLB 128 1 Jul 31 2012, 12:23pm
                   I agree, even Hulk had a nod to it! // QuackingTroll 105 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:24pm
           I hope all we see is a shadow transformation Shelob'sAppetite 63 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:13pm
       Collapse I don't want to see it at all dave_lf 115 5 Jul 31 2012, 12:19pm
           Well, you can look away if you want // QuackingTroll 109 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:22pm
           Collapse I think it would add a lot to the films (and the character) if it was shown / DanielLB 120 3 Jul 31 2012, 12:25pm
               Collapse Best of both worlds dave_lf 106 2 Jul 31 2012, 12:33pm
                   I'd always assume that would be the case DanielLB 102 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:37pm
                   Yeah that to me sounds like the best idea. // imin 91 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:24pm
       The difference between Werewolf/Hulk transformations Seaber 59 0 Aug 1 2012, 9:53pm

  Collapse Questions,Questions,Questions billzy2 489 4 Jul 31 2012, 5:10am Jump to last post in thread (by billzy2)
       i think everyone but people working with PJ are in the dark... MouthofSauron 228 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:31am
       Ha! Till New Year's? AinurOlorin 187 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:42am
       Collapse Smaug and the ring of power Marionette 50 1 Jul 31 2012, 6:28pm
           reply billzy2 28 0 Aug 1 2012, 3:29am

  Collapse One day someone will likely adapt The Hobbit into a live action film. The Quest for Erebor Plus should be enjoyable watching until then. AinurOlorin 782 17 Jul 31 2012, 5:02am Jump to last post in thread (by dormouse)
       Collapse you have the cartoon for that desire MouthofSauron 341 2 Jul 31 2012, 5:26am
           Collapse I think Peter's choice to stray so far from the beaten path makes it more likely indeed AinurOlorin 336 1 Jul 31 2012, 5:39am
               hey, don't get me wrong, i like the animated 'Hobbit' MouthofSauron 283 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:49am
       Collapse It should be noted that Tolkien himself began rewriting the Hobbit in the style of LOTR Oin K 351 2 Jul 31 2012, 5:41am
           Collapse I don't doubt that, Oin K AinurOlorin 321 1 Jul 31 2012, 5:48am
               At the risk of over-extending the metaphor... Oin K 281 0 Jul 31 2012, 7:09am
       Collapse How can you know... dormouse 255 9 Jul 31 2012, 9:14am
           Collapse there was always tension carrioncrow 202 3 Jul 31 2012, 10:35am
               Collapse If Jackson had made a 'pure' Hobbit - Hanzkaz 131 1 Jul 31 2012, 4:16pm
                   I think you are right imin 96 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:51pm
               Agreed. AinurOlorin 75 0 Jul 31 2012, 7:40pm
           Collapse Critics JWPlatt 139 2 Jul 31 2012, 3:39pm
               Collapse Oh, I'm not questioning their education... dormouse 134 1 Jul 31 2012, 3:46pm
                   I haven't rejected it. I will still be attending, albeit with diminished, or at least more guarded enthusiasm AinurOlorin 64 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:22pm
           Collapse Because I can count and I can pace. I have read the books, I have watched scenes AinurOlorin 82 1 Jul 31 2012, 7:38pm
               Well, OK, but dormouse 78 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:26pm
       bingo carrioncrow 194 0 Jul 31 2012, 10:25am

  Collapse so when do you guys think we will get some details on film 3? MouthofSauron 694 25 Jul 31 2012, 3:49am Jump to last post in thread (by Shelob'sAppetite)
       Collapse When we see the first one rings7 369 20 Jul 31 2012, 4:20am
           Collapse I already have a sinking feeling duats 394 19 Jul 31 2012, 4:36am
               here is the thing.... MouthofSauron 331 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:21am
               Huh? Shelob'sAppetite 296 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:54am
               Collapse Why? dormouse 214 16 Jul 31 2012, 9:07am
                   Collapse Just seems a lot to be putting into film 1 imin 186 15 Jul 31 2012, 11:28am
                       Collapse The second film of a trilogy is always the one with least substance DanielLB 197 14 Jul 31 2012, 11:42am
                           Collapse I am unsure imin 166 11 Jul 31 2012, 11:54am
                               Collapse Don't get me wrong DanielLB 148 10 Jul 31 2012, 12:13pm
                                   Collapse Yeah i think we will just have to wait and see! imin 141 8 Jul 31 2012, 12:18pm
                                       Collapse 45 minute comparison DanielLB 147 7 Jul 31 2012, 12:27pm
                                           Collapse haha, it might just be :P imin 115 6 Jul 31 2012, 1:18pm
                                               Collapse I suppose it's not that different from the Fellowship DanielLB 115 5 Jul 31 2012, 1:25pm
                                                   Collapse Similar imin 100 4 Jul 31 2012, 1:34pm
                                                       Collapse *Consoles imin* DanielLB 105 3 Jul 31 2012, 1:38pm
                                                           Collapse lol thanks :P imin 97 2 Jul 31 2012, 1:42pm
                                                               Collapse Excellent! Can I be Gandalf? DanielLB 97 1 Jul 31 2012, 1:46pm
                                                                   lol, you can be gandalf if you want to :P imin 58 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:16pm
                                   Agreed Shelob'sAppetite 40 0 Jul 31 2012, 6:05pm
                           Collapse oh really? MouthofSauron 56 1 Jul 31 2012, 5:19pm
                               I think that is my favourite imin 53 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:29pm
       Collapse They will have to confirm new titles and synopsis pretty soon DanielLB 265 3 Jul 31 2012, 8:06am
           Collapse Or they'll announce everything in the September trailer... QuackingTroll 135 2 Jul 31 2012, 12:45pm
               Collapse I'm hoping for a special video blog! DanielLB 121 1 Jul 31 2012, 12:57pm
                   Everything? Yes! C'mon PJ, we want a 9 hour blog! // QuackingTroll 121 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:59pm

  Collapse Thread Locked Please no summer release, Christmas 2014!! The Grey Pilgrim 404 4 Jul 31 2012, 2:30am Jump to last post in thread (by Altaira)
       Thread Locked They gotta get those box sets out sooner rather than later SirDennisC 171 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:32am
       Thread Locked It's still far enough out for them to change it thoon 147 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:45am
       Thread Locked Who cares about consistency of the films releases? Shelob'sAppetite 140 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:56am
     Thread Locked There's already a thread on the release dates below. Please re-post in that thread! Thanks! // Altaira 160 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:59am

  Collapse Who will play Necromancer? mdrxfile 780 16 Jul 31 2012, 1:32am Jump to last post in thread (by QuackingTroll)
       Collapse Benedict Cumberbatch Aitieuriskon 422 12 Jul 31 2012, 1:59am
           Collapse That's news to me :) // imin 327 5 Jul 31 2012, 2:06am
               Collapse Yes it was announced a long time ago.// Kangi Ska 309 3 Jul 31 2012, 2:09am
                   Collapse Where in Cast? mdrxfile 296 1 Jul 31 2012, 2:12am
                       Not officially announced Aitieuriskon 306 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:14am
                   I meant the lack of a physical body // imin 292 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:14am
               I think he will be great Aitieuriskon 300 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:12am
           Collapse That aint right ElendilTheShort 322 3 Jul 31 2012, 2:18am
               Collapse my bad Aitieuriskon 280 1 Jul 31 2012, 2:33am
                   The confusion is due to PJ's LOTR Shelob'sAppetite 303 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:59am
               Hmm, I think 3000 years is enough time to rebuild his physical form... QuackingTroll 77 0 Aug 1 2012, 12:23am
           It says here TheWhiteRider 101 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:38pm
           Thus spake Sméagol Finrod 62 0 Aug 1 2012, 12:03am
       Collapse Not sure but a character concept was leaked a while ago SirDennisC 346 2 Jul 31 2012, 3:10am
           Collapse Very humorous! // Kangi Ska 79 1 Jul 31 2012, 6:10pm
               It's a tough crowd but we do try eh Kangi? :) // SirDennisC 62 0 Jul 31 2012, 11:37pm

  Collapse Hypothetically, if a purer "Hobbit" DVD came out in 2015, would you buy it? dalecooper 633 19 Jul 30 2012, 9:11pm Jump to last post in thread (by Tim)
       Collapse Yes, I would. DanielLB 249 1 Jul 30 2012, 9:16pm
           Absolutely hasufel 209 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:30pm
       Your premise is self-contradictory. Escapist 277 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:22pm
       Collapse Yes, I would Shelob'sAppetite 239 3 Jul 30 2012, 9:23pm
           Collapse And for some reason, you really like flashbacks! ;-) / DanielLB 217 2 Jul 30 2012, 9:26pm
               Collapse Flashbacks rock! Shelob'sAppetite 231 1 Jul 30 2012, 9:30pm
                   1 or 2 are fine. But you're talking about a lot more and a lot longer flashbacks / DanielLB 206 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:33pm
       If it seemed interesting. Lacrimae Rerum 204 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:44pm
       Good question dormouse 180 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:58pm
       PJ's Hobbit films sam90 170 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:13pm
       No JWPlatt 141 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:42pm
       Collapse I would, to show the kiddies, and friends not as interested in The Trilogy, AinurOlorin 158 1 Jul 31 2012, 12:07am
           Interestingly it all looks rather mixed to me Lacrimae Rerum 124 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:23am
       Collapse I'm not sure shadowdog 107 4 Jul 31 2012, 1:49am
           Collapse The theatrical versions were atrocious, IMO Shelob'sAppetite 121 3 Jul 31 2012, 3:02am
               Collapse I thought EE Fellowship was magnificent. Not flawless, as Glorfindel still AinurOlorin 96 2 Jul 31 2012, 5:17am
                   Collapse Even in the EE, IMO Shelob'sAppetite 63 1 Jul 31 2012, 6:33am
                       I'd love to sit down and watch the trilogy with you Shelob'sAppetite DanielLB 53 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:09am
       Nope. Wait.... yup... well... Tim 35 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:23pm

  Collapse I know how the Eagles are going to talk! GothmogTheBalrog 765 12 Jul 30 2012, 8:34pm Jump to last post in thread (by xxxyyy)
       No - they shouldn't have plain human voices DanielLB 222 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:04pm
       No... // painjoiker 180 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:52pm
       Collapse You "know" how the eagles will talk because of Narnia? QuackingTroll 218 4 Jul 30 2012, 9:58pm
           Collapse Please not this ... that's just not right. / DanielLB 182 3 Jul 30 2012, 10:00pm
               Collapse The way birds actually talk... QuackingTroll 204 2 Jul 30 2012, 10:16pm
                   Nevermind how it talks, that is one amazing bird! / DanielLB 177 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:19pm
                   Wow thats the coolest thing ever! // imin 151 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:05pm
       Collapse I'm blown away by the stupidity of that. Animals, I'm sure, won't talk in English. xxxyyy 144 2 Jul 31 2012, 12:52am
           Collapse Well one could argue shadowdog 114 1 Jul 31 2012, 1:52am
               Sure, but you do not watch around you in total embarrassment,in the theater, when you listen to them speaking. xxxyyy 45 0 Jul 31 2012, 4:24pm
       Collapse I will be surprised if any animals "talk" besides maybe Roac Oin K 84 1 Jul 31 2012, 5:13am
           They have 3 films now - they can go into the history of Eagle speech X-D / DanielLB 62 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:10am

  Collapse Shorter film lengths and no extended editions? Hamfast of Gamwich 1076 32 Jul 30 2012, 8:18pm Jump to last post in thread (by hutch)
       It would be my bet Welsh hero 478 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:19pm
       Three 170 minute movies theatrical Kangi Ska 490 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:22pm
       Collapse I think it is too early to second guess whether there will be EE's or not. DanielLB 451 3 Jul 30 2012, 8:25pm
           It is too soon to know anything for sure I guess Hamfast of Gamwich 425 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:28pm
           Collapse 6 hour FOTR? redgiraffe 449 1 Jul 30 2012, 8:45pm
               I would have loved to see that six-hour cut Shelob'sAppetite 423 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:51pm
       Collapse It makes sense, but not sure hasufel 415 1 Jul 30 2012, 8:32pm
           nothing makes sense right now. hutch 127 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:46am
       I have been thinking along the same lines, and I hope it's the case. dalecooper 374 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:59pm
       Collapse I think this is going to be true. eralkfang 373 3 Jul 30 2012, 9:09pm
           Collapse No Extended Editions.. Erethen23 343 2 Jul 30 2012, 9:51pm
               Collapse You'll still get to see all the same material... Hamfast of Gamwich 297 1 Jul 30 2012, 10:10pm
                   No actually shadowdog 101 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:57am
       Collapse Except.... dormouse 330 11 Jul 30 2012, 10:10pm
           Collapse I'm not sure if I believe that or think it's a way of hiding what they'll really do... Hamfast of Gamwich 304 10 Jul 30 2012, 10:13pm
               Why would you not believe it? dormouse 283 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:22pm
               Collapse 3rd film will likely be released in the summer of 2013 Shelob'sAppetite 261 8 Jul 30 2012, 10:43pm
                   Collapse Eh? You sure about that? / DanielLB 257 7 Jul 30 2012, 10:45pm
                       Collapse TORN seems to have confirmed it Shelob'sAppetite 255 6 Jul 30 2012, 10:52pm
                           Collapse 3rd film in 2013? You mean 2014? / DanielLB 254 5 Jul 30 2012, 10:53pm
                               Collapse Yeah he means the summer of 2014 not the winter, its on front page :) // imin 235 1 Jul 30 2012, 11:02pm
                                   Thanks imin. Thought I'd lost it in all this excitement! / DanielLB 227 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:06pm
                               Collapse Yes, sorry! Shelob'sAppetite 224 2 Jul 30 2012, 11:15pm
                                   Collapse Summer 2014... Spaldron 121 1 Jul 31 2012, 12:40am
                                       December 2012 - Summer 2013 - December 2013 would make more sense, however, Captain Salt 123 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:23am
       Will definitely make extended i think imin 308 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:11pm
       Yes but.... Snaga 275 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:37pm
       Collapse Yep, probably 3 2-hour films rather than 2 roughly 3-hour films...with an awful lot of padding and...dare I say it...fan-fic. // Captain Salt 238 4 Jul 30 2012, 11:06pm
           But that would leave the overall length identical Shelob'sAppetite 180 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:19pm
           Collapse You do realize that, painjoiker 132 2 Jul 31 2012, 12:33am
               Yes, should have emphasized "roughly", with the extra shooting slightly extending each film.../// Captain Salt 128 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:21am
               The logic is $$$ hutch 46 0 Jul 31 2012, 3:10pm

  Collapse Why Three is Better Than Two: Told Through One Example From LOTR Shelob'sAppetite 1599 55 Jul 30 2012, 8:16pm Jump to last post in thread (by imin)
       Collapse Well said, and I think you are totally right. DanielLB 639 6 Jul 30 2012, 8:21pm
           Does this mean the scrubbing bubble ghostys are in for the Battle of Five Armies?// Kangi Ska 596 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:28pm
           Collapse I fear pettytyrant101 596 4 Jul 30 2012, 8:39pm
               Collapse But being who he is Shelob'sAppetite 570 2 Jul 30 2012, 8:44pm
                   Collapse I do hope you are right. pettytyrant101 522 1 Jul 30 2012, 8:52pm
                       Likewise Shelob'sAppetite 507 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:01pm
               not necessarily hasufel 519 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:51pm
       Collapse I'd have like that too... Hamfast of Gamwich 595 8 Jul 30 2012, 8:26pm
           Collapse I think it's a strange assumption that 6 films would not have had mainstream appeal Shelob'sAppetite 583 7 Jul 30 2012, 8:36pm
               Collapse Or at least four... Elizabeth 503 2 Jul 30 2012, 9:02pm
                   Collapse Agreed Shelob'sAppetite 484 1 Jul 30 2012, 9:11pm
                       I get the impression... Elizabeth 302 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:31pm
               I imagine if the LOTR movies were greenlit today dalecooper 529 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:04pm
               Collapse Can you think of one 6 part film series that covers essentially one story arc which is as successful as the LOTR trilogy. Hamfast of Gamwich 330 1 Jul 30 2012, 10:10pm
                   Didn't need to be six years Shelob'sAppetite 303 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:25pm
               Here comes that flying pig again... dormouse 332 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:17pm
       Collapse excellent point hasufel 552 2 Jul 30 2012, 8:36pm
           Exactly. Shelob'sAppetite 530 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:40pm
           First! JWPlatt 403 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:53pm
       yeah I agree Shelob :D. I'm in the pro-3 film decision camp... just... I'm not negative about it anyhoo... but anticipatory // Xanaseb 480 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:11pm
       Collapse The $64,000 question Voronwë_the_Faithful 513 3 Jul 30 2012, 9:30pm
           Collapse A good (and expensive) question Shelob'sAppetite 444 2 Jul 30 2012, 9:45pm
               Collapse This is purely speculative Radagast_the_Brown 26 1 Aug 2 2012, 9:00am
                   I completely agree and was what i was trying to say in my post in this thread :) // imin 31 0 Aug 2 2012, 10:31am
       Collapse Good post! MasterOrc 448 1 Jul 30 2012, 9:33pm
           2 LOTR films initially Scot Down South 336 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:12pm
       I agree, more makes me happy Garfeimao 431 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:45pm
       Collapse showdowns and tom bombadil elanesse 439 8 Jul 30 2012, 9:49pm
           Collapse Why in the world would they waste time on Bombadil if he doesn't exist in the trilogy? MatthewJer18 425 6 Jul 30 2012, 9:51pm
               Collapse to please the fans elanesse 405 5 Jul 30 2012, 9:52pm
                   I doubt even PJ would go that far. He's made his stance on Bombadil quite clear MatthewJer18 340 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:55pm
                   Collapse If they wanted to do that ... they would have put him in, in the first place! / DanielLB 322 3 Jul 30 2012, 9:57pm
                       Collapse Same thing goes for Glorfindel? // Kangi Ska 231 2 Jul 30 2012, 11:36pm
                           Oh don't use the G word Lacrimae Rerum 242 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:38pm
                           Same for every character they left out DanielLB 106 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:23am
           why would you want two battles in one film. Kangi Ska 253 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:30pm
       Collapse Paths of the Dead was never my favorite part of the book, so it worked just fine for me. MatthewJer18 409 1 Jul 30 2012, 9:53pm
           But you must admit Shelob'sAppetite 339 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:56pm
       I agree with what you are saying mostly. imin 296 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:38pm
       Collapse PJ's LotR was pretty much a perfect length IMO...but his Kong was twice what it needed to be... Captain Salt 305 8 Jul 30 2012, 10:52pm
           Collapse I thought LOTR was far too short, and King Kong was far too long Shelob'sAppetite 290 3 Jul 30 2012, 11:07pm
               Collapse Wow, that actually IS alot of content... Foromir 282 1 Jul 30 2012, 11:25pm
                   My question now is... Shelob'sAppetite 162 0 Jul 31 2012, 3:20am
               Yes, but IMO 2 films was more than sufficient to cover that territory... Captain Salt 219 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:11am
           Collapse I liked King Kong as did a few hundred million other people.// Kangi Ska 245 3 Jul 30 2012, 11:33pm
               Collapse Without the "million", I'd agree. :P // Captain Salt 217 2 Jul 31 2012, 12:05am
                   Collapse It did make a good deal of money.// Kangi Ska 210 1 Jul 31 2012, 12:11am
                       But not necessarily everyone who saw it liked it! Of course, I should have made certain the "IMO" in my previous post referred to Kong as well...// Captain Salt 180 0 Jul 31 2012, 1:04am
       Collapse Well, they can always decide they're going to do HBO seasons... Compa_Mighty 251 1 Jul 30 2012, 11:41pm
           Assuming a minimlistic approach, Escapist 244 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:52pm
       more time doesn´t automatically mean a better film elostirion74 122 0 Jul 31 2012, 7:59am
       Collapse To be honest... Radagast-Aiwendil 120 2 Jul 31 2012, 9:09am
           Collapse Bizarre? Pipe Dream 103 1 Jul 31 2012, 9:44am
               Not only that, but guitarzankansasfan 101 0 Jul 31 2012, 10:08am
       Argh, I just dreamt that I saw the next Hobbit trailer! painjoiker 67 0 Jul 31 2012, 12:47pm

  Collapse Third film (Or second) names revealed? Welsh hero 1046 47 Jul 30 2012, 7:46pm Jump to last post in thread (by Stupid Fat Hobbitses)
       Collapse Riddles in the Dark Wandering Ranger 391 1 Jul 30 2012, 8:15pm
           Film1 could go at an "introductory pace" Escapist 334 0 Jul 30 2012, 8:48pm
       Collapse Riddles in the Dark makes no sense for film 1 DanielLB 369 24 Jul 30 2012, 8:17pm
           Collapse Riddles in the Dark Shelob'sAppetite 333 23 Jul 30 2012, 8:48pm
               Collapse "Riddles in the Dark" could refer to any number of things dave_lf 326 22 Jul 30 2012, 9:01pm
                   Oooh, yes Shelob'sAppetite 301 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:06pm
                   I thnk Riddles in the Dark is a great idea for a name of one of the films Escapist 298 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:08pm
                   Collapse I hadn't thought of these... DanielLB 292 8 Jul 30 2012, 9:08pm
                       Collapse So, no "There and Back Again"? QuackingTroll 270 7 Jul 30 2012, 9:34pm
                           I think the final film will still be there and back again Welsh hero 272 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:36pm
                           Collapse Film 3 could still be called "There and Back Again" DanielLB 265 5 Jul 30 2012, 9:40pm
                               Dang Erethen23 247 0 Jul 30 2012, 9:48pm
                               Collapse I think it is virtually impossible Shelob'sAppetite 267 3 Jul 30 2012, 9:49pm
                                   Collapse It is a surprise to see you so optimistic! DanielLB 241 2 Jul 30 2012, 9:59pm
                                       Collapse I have Shelob'sAppetite 216 1 Jul 30 2012, 10:32pm
                                           You're fooling no-one ;-) DanielLB 203 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:36pm
                   Collapse I feel like a stick in the mud but DesiringDragons 294 10 Jul 30 2012, 9:33pm
                       Collapse Maybe you have a point Escapist 245 8 Jul 30 2012, 9:54pm
                           Collapse That's also a good point... DesiringDragons 232 7 Jul 30 2012, 10:03pm
                               Collapse It would be worth it to have Gollum's riddle game Escapist 229 6 Jul 30 2012, 10:09pm
                                   Collapse There is *no way* they can drag out film 1 so that Riddles in the Dark is in film 2. Not going to happen. / DanielLB 227 5 Jul 30 2012, 10:14pm
                                       I agree, I'm just being stroppy about the title. // DesiringDragons 211 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:19pm
                                       Collapse There's always a way, Escapist 205 3 Jul 30 2012, 10:28pm
                                           Collapse What would the climax be? DanielLB 206 2 Jul 30 2012, 10:30pm
                                               Collapse Gobin town.... Welsh hero 202 1 Jul 30 2012, 10:33pm
                                                   Not much of an end if you ask me DanielLB 202 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:35pm
                       Part Two is bound to be Kangi Ska 189 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:43pm
       Collapse Ick... Captain Salt 223 13 Jul 30 2012, 10:46pm
           Collapse It doesn't sound at all like a cash grab Shelob'sAppetite 211 12 Jul 30 2012, 10:51pm
               Collapse Shrug - it's probably a bit of both and a whole host of other Lacrimae Rerum 195 10 Jul 30 2012, 10:56pm
                   Collapse I think Peter Jackson is honest about his motivations. Kangi Ska 166 9 Jul 30 2012, 11:47pm
                       Collapse I don't mean to imply any dishonesty Lacrimae Rerum 153 8 Jul 31 2012, 12:06am
                           Collapse Well, perhaps PJ genuinely believes that there's a legitimate narrative reason to expand the scope of the films... Captain Salt 152 3 Jul 31 2012, 12:18am
                               Collapse I hope they're revealed Ardamírë 137 2 Jul 31 2012, 1:34am
                                   Agreed, and that quote is intriguing... Captain Salt 118 0 Jul 31 2012, 2:28am
                                   Yes, I want a documentary on the films DanielLB 70 0 Jul 31 2012, 8:13am
                           Collapse Agreed Shelob'sAppetite 29 3 Jul 31 2012, 5:58pm
                               Collapse PJ's primary motivation... Stupid Fat Hobbitses 54 2 Aug 1 2012, 4:10am
                                   Collapse Now I am convinced that Andy Serkis walks among us. SirDennisC 77 1 Aug 1 2012, 4:35am
                                       Now I am convinced that Andy Serkis walks among us... Stupid Fat Hobbitses 36 0 Aug 4 2012, 11:22pm
               "If PJ is to be believed" being the key phrase there... Captain Salt 185 0 Jul 30 2012, 10:57pm
       Collapse So, the new order would be... Captain Salt 209 2 Jul 30 2012, 11:02pm
           Collapse Second option please! DanielLB 187 1 Jul 30 2012, 11:05pm
               Agreed that that's probably the best option. // Captain Salt 168 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:28pm
       Inspiration from the animated Hobbit SaltedPork 186 0 Jul 30 2012, 11:36pm
       Collapse here's my three titles Ruxendil_Thoorg 145 1 Jul 31 2012, 1:55am
           haha :D Jago M 37 0 Jul 31 2012, 5:14pm
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