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Movie Discussion: The Hobbit
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  Collapse Smaug is dead. Sauron doesn´t care? Danielos 884 12 Fri, 9:48pm Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)
       Collapse I think... nymmerod 567 2 Fri, 9:51pm
           Collapse I would suspect that... MasterOrc 498 1 Fri, 10:21pm
               Yes, that makes sense to me kiwifan 377 0 Fri, 11:18pm
       i'm not sure your point is valid on this one MouthofSauron 231 0 Sat, 2:36am
       Collapse There was never really any overt connection... DigificWriter 213 6 Sat, 2:45am
           right, it had more to do with Thorin reaching the lonely mountain. MouthofSauron 166 0 Sat, 5:44am
           Collapse Except in the EE of DoS tsmith675 159 1 Sat, 6:58am
               Thrain may claim that Sauron and Smaug are in league with one another.... DigificWriter 158 0 Sat, 7:04am
           Collapse Smaug Danielos 152 2 Sat, 7:25am
               Not only Smaug sharku 107 0 Sat, 9:48am
               Presumably. Spriggan 55 0 Sat, 3:24pm
       Even with Smaug dead... Otaku-sempai 54 0 Sat, 5:05pm

  Collapse Sindarin/Black Speech in the BOFA? Loxii 131 2 Fri, 9:18pm Jump to last post in thread (by Silverlode)
     Welcome to the Reading Room Loxii! Brethil 67 0 Sat, 12:39am
       I don't think anyone Silverlode 22 0 Sat, 10:11pm

  Collapse So does Galadriel (spoilers) Loresilme 794 12 Fri, 9:17pm Jump to last post in thread (by Silverlode)
       Collapse hmm Loxii 345 1 Fri, 11:04pm
           Need a few more viewings Loresilme 201 0 Sat, 3:42am
       Collapse Yes she did! Remus 325 6 Fri, 11:42pm
           Collapse agreed. That was all said mirkwoodwanderer 260 1 Sat, 1:05am
               Yeah Remus 117 0 Sat, 9:41am
           Haha Saneliur 142 0 Sat, 8:04am
           Collapse Is it bodyless? dubulous 48 2 Sat, 7:53pm
               hmmm Remus 37 0 Sat, 9:15pm
               I hear "formless" too. // Silverlode 27 0 Sat, 10:12pm
       Collapse she has a ring MouthofSauron 199 2 Sat, 5:49am
           Collapse No, the 3 were forged by Celebrimbor. // Meneldor 170 1 Sat, 5:59am
               And Elrond has a ring too! // Eleniel 122 0 Sat, 8:56am

  Collapse Wait a second...Legolas returned the favor! Faramir5 961 11 Fri, 8:56pm Jump to last post in thread (by arithmancer)
       o.o Loxii 456 0 Fri, 8:58pm
       Yes and did you catch Legolas' expression :)? Loresilme 533 0 Fri, 9:02pm
       Collapse Good catch Elskidor 434 3 Fri, 9:11pm
           Collapse Have you checked out the Geeky Observations List? BlackFox 469 2 Fri, 9:15pm
               Collapse Thanks! Faramir5 347 1 Fri, 9:28pm
                   There's more! BlackFox 360 0 Fri, 9:31pm
       Yes, noticed that. Glorfindela 250 0 Fri, 11:27pm
       He did return the favor, but more importantly... Miss-Merriweather 247 0 Sat, 12:37am
       Yeah, I noticed that too! arithmancer 166 0 Sat, 2:35am
       Collapse kind of cooler.... swordwhale 166 1 Sat, 3:01am
           Well... arithmancer 157 0 Sat, 3:08am

  Collapse New information from Chronicles Hobbity Hobbit 1124 15 Fri, 8:56pm Jump to last post in thread (by Michelle Johnston)
       Collapse well deskp 506 6 Fri, 9:10pm
           Collapse It might of been another sequence or maybe more chariots? Hobbity Hobbit 476 2 Fri, 9:12pm
               Collapse think theres only 1 deskp 457 1 Fri, 9:14pm
                   I hope we get to see that crossbow in action! // Carne 422 0 Fri, 9:23pm
           Collapse There's also a new picture Hobbity Hobbit 550 2 Fri, 9:14pm
               Collapse hm deskp 445 1 Fri, 9:18pm
                   Hmm Hobbity Hobbit 430 0 Fri, 9:25pm
       Collapse Wow. Interesting HiddenSpring 362 2 Fri, 11:19pm
           Collapse Actually Hobbity Hobbit 310 1 Fri, 11:57pm
               Possible EE Hobbity Hobbit 320 0 Sat, 12:07am
       Thanks for the answers! Thrain II 320 0 Fri, 11:39pm
       Collapse Uncovering Azog 2011 style Michelle Johnston 169 3 Sat, 8:42am
           Collapse And... arithmancer 94 2 Sat, 1:30pm
               Yes sorry if I wasn't clear Hobbity Hobbit 90 0 Sat, 1:56pm
               Good Point which also leads to... Michelle Johnston 55 0 Sat, 4:39pm

  Collapse Insert Tauriel in LOTR??? (PJ interview) BurglarHobbit 1680 38 Fri, 8:30pm Jump to last post in thread (by dubulous)
       Collapse Thranduil Loxii 864 4 Fri, 8:38pm
           Collapse Did you see BOTFA? Lindele 706 1 Fri, 9:12pm
               He doesn't return right away, that's true kiwifan 528 0 Fri, 10:47pm
           Collapse He should be... arithmancer 311 1 Sat, 2:38am
               Yes, but from what I understood mae govannen 155 0 Sat, 7:51am
       Now it begins... Brandybuckled 813 0 Fri, 8:39pm
       LOL Aragorn the Elfstone 738 0 Fri, 8:43pm
       Collapse H HeadingSouth 697 1 Fri, 8:43pm
           which is hilarious.... swordwhale 265 0 Sat, 3:04am
       Hmm..no Elskidor 700 0 Fri, 8:47pm
       Collapse Very much hope they were joking!! Oleander Took 681 1 Fri, 9:00pm
           Totally with you on this, on all points kiwifan 477 0 Fri, 10:53pm
     Holy cow! BlackFox 627 0 Fri, 9:12pm
       Replace Gollum in FOTR Lindele 653 0 Fri, 9:13pm
       Collapse I SHOULD HOPE NOT! Cillendor 630 3 Fri, 9:34pm
           More Danielos 568 0 Fri, 9:43pm
           Oh please PJ read Cillendor's list! kiwifan 462 0 Fri, 11:03pm
           Scenes from the wider War of the Ring? Lord_Lucan 98 0 Sat, 1:13pm
       Maybe Elskidor 446 0 Fri, 11:06pm
       Do you guys think PJ will do a George Lucas and Remus 431 0 Fri, 11:37pm
       Collapse If it's done right, why not? Also, please replace Holm and Gollum in FOTR! xxxyyy 433 1 Fri, 11:41pm
           URL BurglarHobbit 408 0 Fri, 11:42pm
       Insert the scene from the book as a flashback: DwellerInDale 362 0 Sat, 1:00am
       Collapse this would be super. mirkwoodwanderer 340 1 Sat, 1:09am
           Which fans? Or do I get to add yet another degree of NARF to my credentials? // Eowyn of Penns Woods 167 0 Sat, 6:18am
       Collapse Inserting Tauriel and others doesn't NEED to be done... DigificWriter 292 1 Sat, 3:01am
           It is clear Tolkien made a mistake mirkwoodwanderer 91 0 Sat, 2:37pm
       I never had an issue with what George Lucas was trying to do - Hanzkaz 248 0 Sat, 4:26am
       Can people please KingTurgon 219 0 Sat, 4:41am
       Collapse He was clearly not serious. tsmith675 175 7 Sat, 6:49am
           Collapse If they weren't being serious DigificWriter 162 6 Sat, 7:07am
               Collapse No. tsmith675 155 5 Sat, 7:14am
                   Collapse Re: No DigificWriter 153 4 Sat, 7:20am
                       Collapse I disagree. tsmith675 148 1 Sat, 7:33am
                           If it makes sense to change or add something... DigificWriter 140 0 Sat, 7:41am
                       Collapse I think... arithmancer 85 1 Sat, 2:11pm
                           A spirit of lighthearted musing does not equal joking DigificWriter 66 0 Sat, 3:46pm
       Oh god no. Please no. // dubulous 35 0 Sat, 7:55pm

  Collapse Is Azog really Bolg's father? Bishop 652 20 Fri, 7:39pm Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)
       Collapse yes deskp 375 13 Fri, 7:45pm
           Collapse But if orcs "spawn", and there are no mothers... MechaGodzilla 362 2 Fri, 8:01pm
               well. deskp 324 0 Fri, 8:02pm
             Yes, let's not go there, please! BlackFox 312 0 Fri, 8:04pm
           Collapse Yes. And, no. Otaku-sempai 179 9 Fri, 11:15pm
             Collapse I know who Bolg's mother is! BlackFox 186 4 Fri, 11:21pm
                   I ain't touchin' that one! Otaku-sempai 154 0 Fri, 11:23pm
                   oh duh Elskidor 147 0 Fri, 11:23pm
                   bwahaha!!!!! Cirashala 109 0 Sat, 1:32am
                   I fear he is right mirkwoodwanderer 41 0 Sat, 2:33pm
               Collapse well. deskp 118 3 Sat, 12:37am
                   Collapse And so? Otaku-sempai 30 2 Sat, 3:54pm
                       Collapse yes deskp 25 1 Sat, 4:22pm
                           Oops! Otaku-sempai 25 0 Sat, 4:26pm
       Legolas calls him... BlackFox 384 0 Fri, 7:45pm
       Collapse Legolas Guert 352 1 Fri, 7:45pm
           Ahh. Bishop 321 0 Fri, 7:51pm
       So they say Elskidor 237 0 Fri, 8:52pm
       Yes, confirmed on 'The Jerry Springer Show' // Carne 218 0 Fri, 9:22pm
       Yes. Cillendor 199 0 Fri, 9:37pm

  Collapse Could someone please tell me where Boyens talks about the Three Rings/Dol Guldur? xxxyyy 439 1 Fri, 6:04pm Jump to last post in thread (by BlackFox)
       About the EE? BlackFox 225 0 Fri, 7:08pm

  Collapse Saruman in the Battle of the Five Armies [Spoilers] Curunir The White 820 5 Fri, 5:52pm Jump to last post in thread (by Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth)
       Collapse I hope so but they teased us in the trailer MouthofSauron 452 1 Fri, 5:54pm
           It can not be spoiler anymore mirkwoodwanderer 378 0 Fri, 6:46pm
       .. Elskidor 250 0 Fri, 8:45pm
       Collapse I didnt like it and expect in the EE Remus 193 1 Fri, 11:34pm
           Agreed Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth 149 0 Sat, 12:29am

  Collapse Thranduil in AUJ Ardamírë 897 25 Fri, 4:47pm Jump to last post in thread (by mariel)
       Collapse I don't see why you would think he was attacking.... dormouse 475 9 Fri, 5:27pm
           Yes , I agree with this Glorfindela 410 0 Fri, 5:33pm
           Collapse I think it Ardamírë 362 6 Fri, 6:07pm
               Collapse But if you think about that statement.... dormouse 313 5 Fri, 7:09pm
                   Collapse But do we know Ardamírë 262 2 Fri, 8:10pm
                       Collapse Simmer down, mellon. Cillendor 192 1 Fri, 10:00pm
                           And how exactly skyofcoffeebeans 113 0 Sat, 1:29am
                   Collapse Thranduil. Laineth 74 1 Sat, 7:48am
                       erm Cirashala 68 0 Sat, 7:52am
           well thought out.... swordwhale 100 0 Sat, 3:10am
       Collapse To be fair Scorchster 415 1 Fri, 5:28pm
           But then why Ardamírë 339 0 Fri, 6:11pm
       Collapse Theres a difference between a villain and an antagonist DigificWriter 385 9 Fri, 5:48pm
           Collapse There certainly is a difference Ardamírë 339 8 Fri, 6:17pm
               eh deskp 290 0 Fri, 7:29pm
               Collapse the way i see it.... Me85 269 6 Fri, 8:01pm
                   Collapse I agree with that Ardamírë 254 5 Fri, 8:14pm
                       Collapse true Me85 222 2 Fri, 8:42pm
                           This is interesting Avandel 156 0 Fri, 10:57pm
                           From the BOFA Visual Companion BlackFox 177 0 Fri, 11:00pm
                       Collapse The way it seems to me... Silverlode 131 1 Sat, 12:41am
                           That's my take on it too mariel 36 0 Sat, 8:47am
       Collapse I agree with these first four responses kiwifan 356 1 Fri, 6:12pm
           Thranduil Ardamírë 346 0 Fri, 6:22pm
       . Elskidor 232 0 Fri, 8:25pm

  Collapse Have just come back from seeing BoFA a second time Glorfindela 1308 57 Fri, 3:53pm Jump to last post in thread (by Lurker in the Mirk)
       Collapse Glad you enjoyed it so much Glorfindela. NecromancerRising 540 9 Fri, 4:03pm
         Collapse I love it Glorfindela 478 8 Fri, 4:29pm
               We were in agreement in DOS EE for the most part and AUJ NecromancerRising 475 0 Fri, 4:31pm
               Collapse The nearest IMAX theatre is 200 km away from where I live BlackFox 426 6 Fri, 4:38pm
                 Collapse Yes Glorfindela 370 5 Fri, 5:23pm
                     Collapse Well, I'll better start making plans then BlackFox 362 4 Fri, 5:27pm
                         Collapse Grab your walking stick...and pocket handkerchief(s)! // cats16 239 3 Fri, 6:55pm
                             Collapse I thought you'd offer me a pony! BlackFox 230 2 Fri, 7:12pm
                                   Collapse I suppose... cats16 187 1 Fri, 8:44pm
                                     That's more like it! // BlackFox 169 0 Fri, 8:55pm
     Collapse Yes, this is a film that is truly worth seeing twice Avandel 510 13 Fri, 4:19pm
         Collapse I wonder Glorfindela 478 12 Fri, 4:24pm
               Collapse Oh, I am going again *grins* Avandel 438 1 Fri, 4:39pm
                   Unexpectedly,I just booked for today while i was planning to go on NecromancerRising 421 0 Fri, 4:44pm
               Collapse Actually, just trying to clean his pipe kiwifan 325 5 Fri, 6:15pm
                 Collapse Well Glorfindela 285 4 Fri, 6:37pm
                       But that is what makes it so unique and dare i say, 'special'... Lindele 222 0 Fri, 7:56pm
                       Collapse Bard Loxii 201 2 Fri, 8:29pm
                           Collapse Yes, me too Glorfindela 136 1 Fri, 11:16pm
                               And add to that Benedict Cumberbatch's incredible voice of Smaug kiwifan 121 0 Fri, 11:42pm
               Collapse Hobbit Lite Michelle Johnston 262 3 Fri, 6:45pm
                   Collapse Is this the scene with Bilbo and Gandalf dormouse 246 2 Fri, 7:12pm
                       My thoughts exactly. // BlackFox 229 0 Fri, 7:21pm
                       Thats the one Michelle Johnston 168 0 Fri, 9:17pm
       Collapse I'm awfully tempted to go and see it once more before the holidays BlackFox 472 2 Fri, 4:23pm
           Collapse Me too Avandel 427 1 Fri, 4:35pm
               And me! :-) dormouse 366 0 Fri, 5:18pm
       Collapse I envy you the IMAX Riven Delve 403 1 Fri, 4:59pm
           IMAX vs HFR 3D MomoftheShire 62 0 Sat, 3:56am
       It gets better every time :D grammaboodawg 390 0 Fri, 5:17pm
       Collapse I don't know what IMAX is really - never been to an IMAX dormouse 387 4 Fri, 5:20pm
           Collapse 3D IMax 24 fps v 3D 48fps 4k with Dolby Atmos. Michelle Johnston 379 1 Fri, 5:28pm
               A small (possible) gripe... Bofur01 342 0 Fri, 5:52pm
           Come to think of it Glorfindela 358 0 Fri, 5:28pm
           Yeah me neither kiwifan 284 0 Fri, 6:32pm
       Collapse Suprisingly pleased Elessar 353 1 Fri, 6:02pm
         Yes Glorfindela 300 0 Fri, 6:34pm
       Collapse I want to see it at least 10 times in the cinema mirkwoodwanderer 272 4 Fri, 6:47pm
           Collapse Yes, me too! kiwifan 251 3 Fri, 7:18pm
               That's just what's happened with me :) Loresilme 227 0 Fri, 7:57pm
               Collapse *Snigger* - sure, I'm going to the mall to shop for presents Avandel 61 1 Sat, 3:51am
                 I know I've said it before, Avandel Glorfindela 42 0 Sat, 11:15am
       Just saw it for the 3rd time, this time in HFR Elarie 223 0 Fri, 8:24pm
       Two times for me as well... Esmeralda 192 0 Fri, 9:05pm
       Collapse I'm so glad to read your reaction Glorfindela! Brethil 123 5 Sat, 12:46am
         Collapse Go to see it at once! Glorfindela 94 1 Sat, 2:55am
             I shall try to make it happen! Brethil 67 0 Sat, 3:19am
           Collapse Go see it soon Brethil! Ham_Sammy 81 1 Sat, 3:08am
             We did figure RA and MF would be amazing Brethil 77 0 Sat, 3:21am
           Don't worry, I haven't seen it yet either, Starling 79 0 Sat, 4:00am
       Yes I agree Ham_Sammy 103 0 Sat, 1:48am
       Collapse Just got back from my second viewing Kim 85 3 Sat, 7:02am
           Collapse On a lighter note, this was at my theater tonight: Kim 69 2 Sat, 8:15am
             Aww! BlackFox 42 0 Sat, 10:33am
             WOOT, WOODY..wooooT..!!!// Bombadil 32 0 Sat, 1:15pm
       Yep sharku 46 0 Sat, 10:08am
       Thanks, Glorfindela. This give me hope Lurker in the Mirk 30 0 Sat, 1:30pm

  Collapse A word or two about Rotten Tomatoes frodolives 1253 25 Fri, 3:33pm Jump to last post in thread (by Spriggan)
       Collapse I don't understand these kinds of mental gymnastics Bishop 608 12 Fri, 3:45pm
           Collapse Um... frodolives 526 11 Fri, 3:49pm
               Collapse Aren't you suggesting.. Bishop 464 10 Fri, 4:16pm
                   Collapse Sort of glor 156 9 Sat, 12:56am
                       Collapse I agree that it's being compared to LOTR (possible spoilers in post) Bishop 149 8 Sat, 1:24am
                           Collapse Critics Ham_Sammy 137 1 Sat, 1:56am
                               Is it also because the critical tide is very much against the blockbuster or big budget film... glor 119 0 Sat, 2:43am
                           Collapse Yes they should be compared to LOTR glor 122 3 Sat, 2:36am
                               Collapse Just trying to understand here Bishop 111 2 Sat, 2:55am
                                   Collapse Yes glor 58 1 Sat, 4:32pm
                                       Well said! Similarly... Avandel 42 0 Sat, 5:35pm
                           Collapse Don't agree that LOTR and the Hobbit should be compared Avandel 44 1 Sat, 6:11pm
                               It is worth noting Spriggan 28 0 Sat, 7:00pm
       85gh Elskidor 527 0 Fri, 3:49pm
       Collapse The difference between fans and critics is quite jarring Misty Mountain Hop 547 5 Fri, 3:54pm
           Collapse urztdi Elskidor 478 3 Fri, 4:01pm
               Collapse IMO many critics ARE pointless re IMO questionable training and skills Avandel 425 1 Fri, 4:33pm
                   Indeed Shagrat 284 0 Fri, 7:05pm
               I think asking only fans might be a bit biased mightn't it? Spriggan 58 0 Sat, 3:42pm
           With a multi-film series R11 295 0 Fri, 7:06pm
       Collapse Nice writing and totally agree Avandel 520 1 Fri, 3:54pm
           Hear, hear! kiwifan 171 0 Fri, 11:11pm
       Honestly I think RT's scores have lost most of their meaning... moreorless 350 0 Fri, 6:50pm
       Collapse While HeadingSouth 265 1 Fri, 8:38pm
           These are my favorite films ever, but I agree Avandel 46 0 Sat, 5:20pm

  Collapse Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. Misty Mountain Hop 646 10 Fri, 2:54pm Jump to last post in thread (by mirkwoodwanderer)
       Collapse 7 haarp 313 1 Fri, 2:58pm
           I think there is a strong likelihood that another The Hobbit film will happen within this "lifetime"... Bladerunner 67 0 Sat, 1:11am
       Absolutely. NecromancerRising 289 0 Fri, 2:59pm
       I thought this was going to be another Kili-Tauriel thread!! Eleniel 277 0 Fri, 3:07pm
       yes Elskidor 249 0 Fri, 3:15pm
       humbleness is the key for this trilohy Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 240 0 Fri, 3:21pm
       Collapse This statement applies to LotR too Glorfindela 225 1 Fri, 3:48pm
           Hear, hear! Avandel 197 0 Fri, 4:06pm
       Well said Ham_Sammy 56 0 Sat, 1:58am
       these words.... mirkwoodwanderer 18 0 Sat, 3:44pm

Collapse Why has the music been shoved into the background in the Hobbit films, compared to LotR? Crunchable Birdses 794 10 Fri, 1:32pm Jump to last post in thread (by Faleel)
       Collapse I don't think it has been 'shoved into the background' Glorfindela 358 3 Fri, 3:45pm
           Collapse Agreed on the 'catchiness' Scorchster 318 1 Fri, 4:25pm
               Yes Glorfindela 288 0 Fri, 4:33pm
           agreed Loxii 146 0 Fri, 8:43pm
       Collapse I don't think it has dormouse 264 1 Fri, 5:30pm
           I'm with ya. Elessar 245 0 Fri, 5:34pm
       This thread has been edited to remove rude comments. dernwyn 103 0 Fri, 10:47pm
       I prefer when the music and soundtrack are featured less prominenently in films.... Bladerunner 76 0 Sat, 12:33am
       Collapse we are at the cinema.. not at the opera mirkwoodwanderer 30 1 Sat, 3:45pm
           or Faleel 16 0 Sat, 11:48pm

  Collapse The white gems of Lasgalen?? Eruthurin 1007 25 Fri, 1:08pm Jump to last post in thread (by Na Vedui)
       Collapse Gems Danielos 559 1 Fri, 1:11pm
           Perhaps in the EE? moreorless 491 0 Fri, 1:37pm
       Collapse It's explained in the Visual Companion BlackFox 569 10 Fri, 1:44pm
           Ooohh!! Eruthurin 473 0 Fri, 1:50pm
           Collapse Another victim of PJ's slicing and dicing... Aragorn the Elfstone 482 5 Fri, 1:54pm
               Collapse this EE seems so tasty Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 450 1 Fri, 2:08pm
                   Right now, and after only one viewing of this great film,I am starving for this Extended Edition NecromancerRising 409 0 Fri, 2:25pm
               Collapse I thought it was obvious in the movie LoremIpsum 441 2 Fri, 2:18pm
                   Collapse hehe he could want female jewels for himselfXD Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) 379 1 Fri, 2:33pm
                       Buahahahaha XD Saneliur 91 0 Sat, 6:43am
           I'm adding this grammaboodawg 272 0 Fri, 5:22pm
           Collapse That's what it says but how do we know it is true? kiwifan 135 1 Fri, 11:24pm
               Boyens did mention it in the Empire podcast BlackFox 49 0 Sat, 2:43pm
       Collapse Check out Silverlode's thoughts on the gems Riven Delve 417 11 Fri, 2:39pm
           Collapse After watching AUJ EE Eruthurin 330 10 Fri, 4:19pm
               Collapse According to the Visual Companion BlackFox 352 9 Fri, 4:34pm
                   Collapse Thranduil/Thingol Michelle Johnston 300 1 Fri, 5:16pm
                       I enjoyed that very much BlackFox 267 0 Fri, 5:38pm
                   Collapse Elves do not work metal themselves?! Eruthurin 241 4 Fri, 6:33pm
                       The Wood-elves of Mirkwood didn't BlackFox 222 0 Fri, 7:19pm
                       Collapse Perhaps it's just the Sylvan Elves who don't work metal and/or gems kiwifan 133 2 Fri, 11:31pm
                           See my reply to Eruthurin. // BlackFox 63 0 Sat, 10:47am
                           Yes, it was the Noldor in particular Na Vedui 22 0 Sat, 9:45pm
                   Collapse This statement has puzzled me on other occasions... Bladerunner 125 1 Sat, 12:48am
                       'The elves' here stand solely for the Wood-elves of Mirkwood BlackFox 65 0 Sat, 10:45am
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