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  Moved: The Hobbit Moleskine Cave Troll - - Nov 29 2012, 12:12pm Jump to last post in thread (by Cave Troll)

  Collapse Which new M-E settlement are you the most excited for? macfalk 737 21 Nov 29 2012, 11:04am Jump to last post in thread (by elostirion74)
       The settlement between the Tolkien Estate and Warner Bros. Crunchable Birdses 392 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:09am
       Erebor and Thranduil's Halls. DanielLB 432 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:26am
       Collapse There only one real answer to that question... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 361 6 Nov 29 2012, 11:55am
           Collapse The Carrock?! TheRealBeren 314 5 Nov 29 2012, 12:13pm
               Collapse Well it's just a painting... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 304 4 Nov 29 2012, 12:16pm
                   Collapse Art of... TheRealBeren 283 3 Nov 29 2012, 12:36pm
                       Pictures of the book were uploaded on line. / DanielLB 265 0 Nov 29 2012, 12:45pm
                       Collapse It appeared and disappeared... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 266 1 Nov 29 2012, 12:45pm
                           sounds funny, but I'm so chuffed (happy) for the dwarven peoples in the new film, Xanaseb 197 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:14pm
       Collapse Erebor for me imin 248 1 Nov 29 2012, 12:57pm
           Bomby's thinking that like any great Trilogy.. Bombadil 201 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:37pm
       Laketown being destroyed by Smaug. // Kassandros 174 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:00pm
       Collapse Hard to decide Lightice 159 1 Nov 29 2012, 3:25pm
           I totally agree... Ereinion Nénharma 116 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:18pm
       Mirkwood, Thranduil's halls, Laketown and Dol Guldur Ayiana 171 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:00pm
       All Elessar 112 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:23pm
       When in doubt, choose the dark side Faenoriel 108 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:36pm
       Definitely the Elvenking's Halls... Eleniel 107 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:36pm
       Collapse Thranduil's halls, then Laketown. :) // Ethel Duath 103 1 Nov 29 2012, 4:44pm
           Beorn's Home BeornBerserker 89 0 Nov 29 2012, 5:18pm
       Beorn´s home elostirion74 69 0 Nov 29 2012, 6:52pm

  Collapse Does anyone else feel that... macfalk 1075 14 Nov 29 2012, 10:43am Jump to last post in thread (by Faenoriel)
       definitely agree FiliSonOfDis 403 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:55am
       Collapse I know what you mean. jtarkey 391 4 Nov 29 2012, 10:59am
           Collapse FotR totally delivered... Eleniel 375 3 Nov 29 2012, 11:10am
               Whilst I would differ Lacrimae Rerum 361 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:17am
               Collapse FOTR was the best of the three imin 268 1 Nov 29 2012, 12:54pm
                   I know it will be for me! painjoiker 241 0 Nov 29 2012, 12:59pm
       I'm looking forward to the next couple of years.. nobofthepony 360 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:03am
       I'll ask you the question again in a years time, and see what you say ;-) / DanielLB 308 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:38am
       we will see in the next couple days. Wordofmask 250 0 Nov 29 2012, 12:46pm
       I honestly expect AUJ to be the best of the 3... sycorax82 179 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:09pm
       Collapse I'm stoked for all three Tim 159 1 Nov 29 2012, 3:33pm
           I am stoked for all three as well Elessar 113 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:17pm
       Nope. Kassandros 143 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:37pm
       Anxious as ever to see them, but more patient now Faenoriel 117 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:39pm

  Collapse Why on Earth has Warner Brothers disabled all the links to that wonderful clip of Sir Ian and Martin Freeman? AinurOlorin 964 16 Nov 29 2012, 8:55am Jump to last post in thread (by DanielLB)
       Collapse They're protecting their intellectual property of course. Mooseboy018 449 1 Nov 29 2012, 9:23am
           Lol AinurOlorin 389 0 Nov 29 2012, 9:46am
       Collapse If you're talking about Findun 496 3 Nov 29 2012, 9:27am
           Collapse Excellent. Good looking out. AinurOlorin 399 2 Nov 29 2012, 9:54am
               Save it... Findun 359 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:12am
               Alerting The Warners JWPlatt 99 0 Nov 29 2012, 5:59pm
       Perhaps it was unintentionally leaked? DanielLB 363 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:22am
       because that's how Warner Bros rolls flowww 338 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:42am
       Strangely enough they didn't remove them from Youtube TheHutt 315 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:17am
       Collapse Something is fishy about this: burgahobbit 239 6 Nov 29 2012, 2:18pm
           Collapse That does seem strange DanielLB 231 5 Nov 29 2012, 2:39pm
               Collapse I thought the same thing burgahobbit 212 4 Nov 29 2012, 2:48pm
                   Collapse Spoilers! dave_lf 200 3 Nov 29 2012, 3:06pm
                       Collapse Made me laugh! :) // imin 148 1 Nov 29 2012, 4:03pm
                           They do things like this. Elessar 148 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:06pm
                       Are you River Song? ;-) / DanielLB 65 0 Nov 29 2012, 8:38pm

  Collapse Thread Locked Am I the only person who just saw what must be TV spot 9 (8 or 9 ) AinurOlorin 1523 6 Nov 29 2012, 7:12am Jump to last post in thread (by Eledhwen)
       Collapse Thread Locked Yes many ppl so excited. Wordofmask 622 2 Nov 29 2012, 7:25am
           Collapse Thread Locked Just realized the Smaug thread was about this AinurOlorin 582 1 Nov 29 2012, 7:29am
               Thread Locked In which case I'm locking this thread Eledhwen 295 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:42am
       Collapse Thread Locked it'll probably be on the internet in a couple of days. Thorins_apprentice 476 1 Nov 29 2012, 8:19am
           Thread Locked Ughhhh. A couple days too long. AinurOlorin 426 0 Nov 29 2012, 8:42am
       Thread Locked Was it an army of Dwarves do you think? / DanielLB 322 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:23am

  Collapse More(new) premiere footage.! Thorins_apprentice 926 3 Nov 29 2012, 6:28am Jump to last post in thread (by Lusitano)
       Collapse The funniest thing just happened. Thorins_apprentice 397 1 Nov 29 2012, 7:25am
           Haha oh geez! Ardamírë 96 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:36pm
       Graham MCTavish is hilarious Lusitano 76 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:36pm

  Collapse how do you feel about the eagles rescue ending now? lurtz2010 1054 11 Nov 29 2012, 6:19am Jump to last post in thread (by Faenoriel)
       I think the same about it... Maiarmike 426 0 Nov 29 2012, 6:23am
       Collapse I've certainly warmed up to it jtarkey 404 1 Nov 29 2012, 6:29am
           I was happy with the split as soon as it was announced! nt totoro 358 0 Nov 29 2012, 6:53am
       Sound good ending for me. Wordofmask 326 0 Nov 29 2012, 7:09am
       Collapse Well, at the risk of stating the obvious... dormouse 295 1 Nov 29 2012, 9:11am
           It will end at the Carrock. Bank on it. Kassandros 122 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:28pm
       Collapse I always thought cutting the film before Mirkwood would be a bad idea, for two reasons. DanielLB 273 1 Nov 29 2012, 10:38am
           I always thought the barrels was a perfect ending! painjoiker 181 0 Nov 29 2012, 12:30pm
       Collapse I always thought a good ending imin 175 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:06pm
           Reintroduction BeornBerserker 134 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:35pm
       Changed my mind about it making cinematic sense Faenoriel 96 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:40pm

  Collapse Interview with Freeman, Armitage, and Serkis - Who is the Hero DarkJackal 854 6 Nov 29 2012, 3:49am Jump to last post in thread (by elostirion74)
       Collapse Unfortunately it won't load Tim 350 2 Nov 29 2012, 3:58am
           Collapse Must depend... DarkJackal 357 1 Nov 29 2012, 4:10am
               No kidding right? Tim 340 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:13am
       Collapse Interesting to hear that greed ShireHorse 161 1 Nov 29 2012, 3:05pm
           hmm elostirion74 88 0 Nov 29 2012, 6:29pm
       some comments from the video elostirion74 108 0 Nov 29 2012, 6:10pm

  Collapse Nice set of Premiere photos from the Guardian Xanaseb 708 5 Nov 29 2012, 3:29am Jump to last post in thread (by Lissuin)
       Oh PETA... Ardamírë 315 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:33am
       Collapse Lovely! but Oleander Took 291 3 Nov 29 2012, 4:15am
           Collapse I had the same question. Silverlode 250 1 Nov 29 2012, 4:24am
               Googled her Oleander Took 253 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:33am
           Yao Chen - Chinese super star Lissuin 200 0 Nov 29 2012, 5:59am

  Collapse Is the premiere missing a dwarf? Terrainosaur 868 8 Nov 29 2012, 2:46am Jump to last post in thread (by Terrainosaur)
       Collapse yup, I didnt see him, nor was there any mention of him from anything I read/saw... Xanaseb 419 5 Nov 29 2012, 2:49am
           Collapse Yeah, I just watched the video too. No Ken Stott. Terrainosaur 392 4 Nov 29 2012, 2:57am
               Collapse Ken Stott in production blogs? Terrainosaur 345 3 Nov 29 2012, 3:39am
                   Collapse Maybe he's very shy... Maiarmike 338 2 Nov 29 2012, 3:42am
                       Collapse When I met him shopping...... Moahunter 329 1 Nov 29 2012, 5:07am
                           Black pudding Starling 194 0 Nov 29 2012, 9:34am
       Collapse Ken Stott Ececheira 213 1 Nov 29 2012, 9:24am
           Ken Stott in Uncle Vanya Terrainosaur 100 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:21pm

  Collapse Just saw a bit of Smaug and I am shocked this isn't online anywhere yet! FiliSonOfDis 5473 100 Nov 29 2012, 1:17am Jump to last post in thread (by totoro)
       Collapse WOW Lusitano 2247 4 Nov 29 2012, 1:22am
           Collapse Not positive it was Smaug FiliSonOfDis 2147 3 Nov 29 2012, 1:24am
               Collapse Maybe it was Smaug's 3rd Cousin Flame of Udun 2012 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:26am
                   Well they are extending the movie with appendix materail... FiliSonOfDis 1990 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:28am
               i believe you Lusitano 1973 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:26am
       Collapse I just saw the same thing!!! architecthis 2194 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:22am
           It was on ABC architecthis 2090 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:22am
       I don't know Flame of Udun 2036 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:22am
       Zooommmggg!! Joe20 2064 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:22am
       Collapse Flashback scene? Aragalen the Green 1998 3 Nov 29 2012, 1:29am
           Collapse I was thinking the same thing Ziggy Stardust 1905 2 Nov 29 2012, 1:34am
               Collapse Possibly a flashback during the Misty Mountains Cold song? Aragalen the Green 147 1 Nov 30 2012, 1:38am
                   I hope we don't see Smaug in the flashback totoro 108 0 Nov 30 2012, 4:47am
       Collapse Noooooooooo! Ardamírë 1971 2 Nov 29 2012, 1:36am
           Collapse It's just a tail! Estel78 1882 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:49am
               I still don't want to see! Ardamírë 1764 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:01am
       Collapse What color was he? Aragorn22 1845 27 Nov 29 2012, 1:50am
           Collapse It was a really quick "unexpected" shot and SPOILER if you don't want details FiliSonOfDis 2073 26 Nov 29 2012, 1:59am
               Collapse wow that sounds great :D but I shall wearily keep away from such awesome reveals until I see the film itself ;) // Xanaseb 1792 25 Nov 29 2012, 2:02am
                   Collapse Also FiliSonOfDis 1718 24 Nov 29 2012, 2:17am
                       Collapse I wish i could put it on. but alas i have no such methods... Apexman13 1715 9 Nov 29 2012, 2:20am
                           No worries. Joe20 1504 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:21am
                           Collapse Where did u record it too? Lusitano 1502 4 Nov 29 2012, 2:22am
                               Collapse My DVR Apexman13 1539 3 Nov 29 2012, 2:27am
                                   lets hope soon Lusitano 1434 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:31am
                                   maybe it has imagery from a possible 3rd Trailer? .. hmm // Xanaseb 1402 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:37am
                                   yeah... lidlessEye 842 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:21am
                           It was very revealing zecharas 1152 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:35am
                           Too cruel DarkJackal 1080 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:41am
                           Can you record the screen with a camera or your phone? Carne 878 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:57am
                       Wow Wow Wow. Xanaseb 1552 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:23am
                       Collapse It all sounds amazing Ardamírë 1496 11 Nov 29 2012, 2:23am
                           Collapse I agree FiliSonOfDis 1432 8 Nov 29 2012, 2:30am
                               Collapse Same ol' same ol' Ardamírë 1347 7 Nov 29 2012, 2:46am
                                   Collapse hmmm you know this is a sign that we've been overspoilt :P :s :( // Xanaseb 1324 4 Nov 29 2012, 2:47am
                                       Collapse I'd say over saturated Ardamírë 1321 2 Nov 29 2012, 2:48am
                                           Collapse well in less than three weeks There&ThereAgain 866 1 Nov 29 2012, 5:13am
                                               Thank goodness!// Ardamírë 463 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:21pm
                                       Here Here! Flame of Udun 1377 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:48am
                                   Collapse Except the casual movie goer... Owain 869 1 Nov 29 2012, 3:36pm
                                       I know, I know :-) Ardamírë 847 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:39pm
                           Collapse Me too redgiraffe 1365 1 Nov 29 2012, 2:41am
                               I've only seen 1 or 2 on tv Ardamírë 1310 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:47am
                       They should have put that stuff in the trailer. Estel78 1459 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:29am
       I saw that, too! sueb1863 1865 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:54am
       Collapse I just saw it and have it recorded on DVR Apexman13 1969 4 Nov 29 2012, 2:16am
           Awesome! Username4242 1806 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:16am
           OMG redgiraffe 1772 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:17am
           OMG Please Joe20 1777 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:18am
           please Lusitano 1578 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:21am
       Collapse Why in the world dave_lf 1372 3 Nov 29 2012, 3:17am
           ha! the voice of reason! ;) // Xanaseb 1200 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:18am
           Didn't even think of that!// Ardamírë 1142 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:26am
           Isn't that a disgrace. At least wait until December 1st. AinurOlorin 1175 0 Nov 29 2012, 7:26am
       Collapse Oh god that sound amazing Wordofmask 873 1 Nov 29 2012, 5:34am
           Just a TV spot FiliSonOfDis 876 0 Nov 29 2012, 5:41am
       Another new shot that you didn't mention... JB-the-Hunter 785 0 Nov 29 2012, 7:07am
       Someone upload this already! NT Mischa07 1285 0 Nov 29 2012, 7:13am
       Collapse Seeing Smaug Danielos 1197 4 Nov 29 2012, 8:06am
           Collapse Depends on what you mean by 'epic'. Mooseboy018 1127 3 Nov 29 2012, 8:29am
               I agree redgiraffe 1001 0 Nov 29 2012, 9:32am
               Collapse I disagree Danielos 977 1 Nov 29 2012, 9:51am
                   We'll see more of Smaug's attack... micha84 985 0 Nov 29 2012, 9:55am
       Collapse Come on now, people, it's pretty uncool to have the trailer, gloat about it, and then refuse to upload it... chris10112 977 1 Nov 29 2012, 10:27am
           I dont have it FiliSonOfDis 896 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:57am
       Sounds awesome! / DanielLB 916 0 Nov 29 2012, 10:41am
       Collapse I saw it too! Wing and tail Mythopoeia 1362 6 Nov 29 2012, 11:44am
           I tried to covince myself I have seen more than ehough spoilers. Antalasse 786 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:55am
           Collapse I guess I'm not the only one JB-the-Hunter 604 2 Nov 29 2012, 1:13pm
               Collapse I guess I'll go on a spoiler embargo myself... The Preciousss 537 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:49pm
                   this is exactly lidlessEye 519 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:00pm
           Collapse Smaug, that's nic--- wait, what? Thorin hugs Bilbo? Faenoriel 545 1 Nov 29 2012, 5:52pm
               and i wanna see lidlessEye 496 0 Nov 29 2012, 6:05pm
       Collapse Please DON'T upload it! painjoiker 737 4 Nov 29 2012, 12:33pm
           Collapse Please DO upload it emre43 670 3 Nov 29 2012, 12:52pm
               Collapse Hear hear! Antalasse 662 2 Nov 29 2012, 12:55pm
                   Collapse Yes, they should! painjoiker 641 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:00pm
                       Ah, don't be so cruel! Antalasse 641 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:07pm
       With Smaug ever so slightly appearing in AUJ ... DanielLB 693 0 Nov 29 2012, 12:57pm
       You guys don't even know how freakin' lucky You are... aifeme 484 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:29pm
       Collapse :O LordotRings93 935 11 Nov 29 2012, 3:26pm
           Collapse I've uploaded it! Kassandros 1007 10 Nov 29 2012, 3:45pm
               Well that was cruel... Ardamírë 910 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:47pm
               Hah LordotRings93 847 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:48pm
               Wow Wordofmask 867 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:50pm
               How mean! / DanielLB 846 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:50pm
               woooooo lidlessEye 851 0 Nov 29 2012, 3:56pm
               Collapse Again with the naughty? Santa's gonna do a fly-over... Tim 850 2 Nov 29 2012, 4:09pm
                   Who needs Santa when we've got PJ? Kassandros 808 0 Nov 29 2012, 4:16pm
                   I wouldn't be standing underneath! Aragalen the Green 593 0 Nov 29 2012, 5:46pm
               Brilliant chazychris 367 0 Nov 29 2012, 7:55pm
               You are a bastage nt totoro 97 0 Nov 30 2012, 4:46am
       Collapse It just aired as I was reading through this thread! NamelessThing 733 4 Nov 29 2012, 5:03pm
           Collapse great... lidlessEye 642 3 Nov 29 2012, 5:24pm
               Collapse I'm suprised as well Carne 650 1 Nov 29 2012, 5:27pm
                   Perhaps it's so awesome that on first viewing DanielLB 359 0 Nov 29 2012, 8:40pm
               Comedy Central NamelessThing 635 0 Nov 29 2012, 5:28pm
       Somebody post it, my precious, we wants it!!!! :P // Captain Salt 628 0 Nov 29 2012, 5:40pm
       How about some conciliatory screenshots from vlog 9? Aragalen the Green 641 0 Nov 29 2012, 5:50pm
       New thread with PJ interview about Smaug <SPOILER> (not the TVspot) Lissuin 279 0 Nov 29 2012, 11:20pm

  Collapse Video from the press conference yesterday... Aragorn the Elfstone 991 16 Nov 28 2012, 11:34pm Jump to last post in thread (by DarkJackal)
       Collapse Cate Blanchett about Azog... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 502 8 Nov 29 2012, 12:05am
           Collapse I was just about to post the same thing! You beat me to it.... Bladerunner 419 5 Nov 29 2012, 12:21am
               Collapse Do you remember... DarkJackal 357 4 Nov 29 2012, 1:02am
                   Collapse After further review... Bladerunner 281 3 Nov 29 2012, 2:11am
                       Collapse Thought so DarkJackal 223 2 Nov 29 2012, 3:36am
                           Collapse Thanks DarkJackal for restoring my faith in my own sanity :D. Bladerunner 44 1 Nov 29 2012, 11:54pm
                               No problem, and I won't even charge a fee // DarkJackal 30 0 Nov 30 2012, 1:01pm
           Collapse Where does she say that? HiddenSpring 284 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:53am
               Right after she talks about the Great Goblin....// Bladerunner 264 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:02am
       Collapse Thanks for sharing! Ardamírë 418 5 Nov 29 2012, 12:19am
           Collapse Forehead/Nose greeting... Owain 317 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:29am
               Thanks Ardamírë 305 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:32am
           Collapse I wondered about that too dubulous 157 2 Nov 29 2012, 8:08am
               No Galadriel in film 2 NOR in film 3? HiddenSpring 109 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:42pm
               It's very odd Ardamírë 84 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:25pm
       Very good spirited Lusitano 313 0 Nov 29 2012, 1:47am

  Collapse The Fellowship Theme in The Hobbit soundtrack after all? Thoromir 863 8 Nov 28 2012, 10:49pm Jump to last post in thread (by priell3)
       Collapse yep, there is. I personally I am undecided on if I like that this soundtrack has so many nods to LOTR.. Xanaseb 328 4 Nov 29 2012, 12:06am
           Collapse I has to be that way (potential spoilers) Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 340 1 Nov 29 2012, 12:20am
               yep yep on all accounts, hope you're right about the last 2 films two hehe // Xanaseb 203 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:16am
           The balance is just right. Thoromir 286 0 Nov 29 2012, 12:28am
           It's because the first Hobbitfilm have so many familiar locations ;) painjoiker 117 0 Nov 29 2012, 9:11am
       Collapse Not Fellowship Doug Adams 276 1 Nov 29 2012, 1:35am
           :-) Magpie 213 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:40am
       Some themes may be from LOTR but... priell3 73 0 Nov 29 2012, 2:15pm

  Collapse More opinions on the Hobbit Mybear 1912 8 Nov 28 2012, 10:40pm Jump to last post in thread (by Ardamírë)
       Collapse I think that comparing Raddy to Jar Jar is disgraceful in itself, and as usual many more critics will be just as opinionated like that one in the tabloid Radagast-Aiwendil 712 1 Nov 28 2012, 10:53pm
           Oh, I hope so :) // Aragalen the Green 616 0 Nov 28 2012, 10:58pm
       That's more like it! // Aragalen the Green 640 0 Nov 28 2012, 10:54pm
       Collapse Only top 5? ;) Estel78 696 1 Nov 28 2012, 11:00pm
           ya umm... jtarkey 515 0 Nov 28 2012, 11:48pm
       Collapse Much better! Ardamírë 587 2 Nov 28 2012, 11:45pm
           Collapse I agree, however... Aragalen the Green 523 1 Nov 28 2012, 11:59pm
               It certainly did! Ardamírë 495 0 Nov 29 2012, 12:02am

  Collapse Thread Locked IMDb: 9,3 ghost2-14 806 2 Nov 28 2012, 10:14pm Jump to last post in thread (by Altaira)
       Thread Locked almost all bogus Crunchable Birdses 285 0 Nov 28 2012, 10:34pm
     Thread Locked This is already being discussed in an active thread below (link inside). Please re-post there. Thanks! // Altaira 227 0 Nov 28 2012, 10:53pm
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