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  Collapse third trailer? or just a variation dennis.p 702 2 Nov 15 2012, 2:06pm Jump to last post in thread (by Eleniel)
       Pretty sure this has been posted. squitzl 234 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:49pm
       Yep, it's TV Spot #5 // Eleniel 164 0 Nov 15 2012, 5:12pm

  Moved: 9 minute preview of Star Trek 2 (which stars Benedict Cumberbatch as the villain!) will play before The Hobbit in IMAX 3D marcuspaine - - Nov 15 2012, 1:09pm Jump to last post in thread (by marcuspaine)

Collapse Do you think there will be a TH:DOS preview, like in FOTR for TTT?.. TheHutt 626 13 Nov 15 2012, 1:09pm Jump to last post in thread (by JWPlatt)
       Collapse I would like one, but I think it's more likely we'll get a sneak peak on the AUJ DVD/Blu-ray Carne 330 1 Nov 15 2012, 1:16pm
           This is very likely Ardamírë 239 0 Nov 15 2012, 3:14pm
       I hope so DanielLB 260 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:31pm
       I think there's a good chance... dormouse 270 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:44pm
       Collapse That might explain a discrepency in reported run-times... Otaku-sempai 259 2 Nov 15 2012, 3:21pm
           Collapse Also the star trek preview ... shadowfaux 214 1 Nov 15 2012, 4:05pm
               Yes, that could also be the case... Otaku-sempai 183 0 Nov 15 2012, 4:46pm
       Collapse I keep reading DOS as waaimasjien 152 1 Nov 15 2012, 7:53pm
           They started... TheHutt 135 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:34pm
       Collapse It's TDOS JWPlatt 121 2 Nov 15 2012, 9:38pm
           Collapse Since Many People get up and Don't care Wit about Credits Bombadil 97 1 Nov 16 2012, 4:05am
               Eh? JWPlatt 126 0 Nov 16 2012, 5:26am
       Could be... Owain 90 0 Nov 16 2012, 4:23am

  Collapse "Persbrandt is not in The Hobbit" DeadRabbits 1477 45 Nov 15 2012, 10:29am Jump to last post in thread (by Fardragon)
       Collapse Misleading title? DanielLB 739 40 Nov 15 2012, 10:43am
           Collapse Yeah, I'm aware of that... DeadRabbits 694 8 Nov 15 2012, 11:01am
               Collapse You read my post wrong DanielLB 660 7 Nov 15 2012, 11:06am
                   Collapse Ok, sorry... then it's all good :) DeadRabbits 587 6 Nov 15 2012, 12:11pm
                       Collapse Poor cast! Danielos 584 4 Nov 15 2012, 12:33pm
                           It's not any different to a long TV series, for instance DanielLB 476 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:32pm
                           Collapse I feel worse for us! Ardamírë 433 2 Nov 15 2012, 3:05pm
                               Collapse A little dissappointed BeornBerserker 440 1 Nov 15 2012, 3:12pm
                                   I'm still wary of the three film split Ardamírë 426 0 Nov 15 2012, 3:18pm
                       I don't think that's fair. macfalk 517 0 Nov 15 2012, 1:33pm
           Collapse Perhaps it IS the Battle of 7 armies now? malickfan 461 30 Nov 15 2012, 3:19pm
               Rumors of the Dunedain and Elves? Ardamírë 448 0 Nov 15 2012, 3:23pm
               I really hope not... Otaku-sempai 421 0 Nov 15 2012, 3:27pm
               Collapse I honestly doubt it. macfalk 409 26 Nov 15 2012, 3:41pm
                   Collapse This DanielLB 382 2 Nov 15 2012, 4:24pm
                       Collapse Nah... macfalk 375 1 Nov 15 2012, 4:27pm
                           You'd be surprised DanielLB 371 0 Nov 15 2012, 4:29pm
                   Collapse Are we really sure? Sinister71 367 22 Nov 15 2012, 4:33pm
                       Collapse That's not the point. macfalk 361 20 Nov 15 2012, 4:39pm
                           Collapse But if it has been changed.... Sinister71 348 19 Nov 15 2012, 4:45pm
                               Collapse It's not a tabloid Fardragon 338 17 Nov 15 2012, 4:49pm
                                   Collapse I wouldn't be the slightest surprised Sinister71 328 16 Nov 15 2012, 4:55pm
                                       It's a longer wait than that! / DanielLB 285 0 Nov 15 2012, 5:00pm
                                       Depends on what you count as an army Carne 286 0 Nov 15 2012, 5:01pm
                                       Collapse No he didn't. Lacrimae Rerum 274 13 Nov 15 2012, 5:53pm
                                           Collapse Facts? Sinister71 276 12 Nov 15 2012, 6:04pm
                                               Collapse Which is the critical qualifier. Fardragon 275 6 Nov 15 2012, 6:16pm
                                                   Collapse disagree Sinister71 255 2 Nov 15 2012, 6:22pm
                                                       Collapse Are you sure it's his ego? Tim 231 1 Nov 15 2012, 7:20pm
                                                           I don't think it's ego either starlesswinter 218 0 Nov 15 2012, 7:26pm
                                                   Collapse That's a good point starlesswinter 209 2 Nov 15 2012, 7:31pm
                                                       Collapse And peope also forget Shelob'sAppetite 202 1 Nov 15 2012, 8:02pm
                                                           That pretty much only happens Fardragon 217 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:26pm
                                               Collapse There we go. Lacrimae Rerum 256 4 Nov 15 2012, 6:21pm
                                                   Collapse Yeah my mistake Sinister71 253 3 Nov 15 2012, 6:31pm
                                                       Collapse I'm not sure worship is required. Lacrimae Rerum 248 1 Nov 15 2012, 6:40pm
                                                           Mr Cumberbatch tolktolk 223 0 Nov 15 2012, 7:28pm
                                                       Public discussion, friend Tim 220 0 Nov 15 2012, 7:26pm
                               It hasn't been changed. DanielLB 329 0 Nov 15 2012, 4:52pm
                       Since the comment was made by someone who has nothing to do with the production DanielLB 344 0 Nov 15 2012, 4:40pm
               Nah, just the Battle of Five Armies and Friends. // SirDennisC 198 0 Nov 15 2012, 7:58pm
       Collapse Beorn might still be in film 1 Oin K 300 3 Nov 15 2012, 5:06pm
           Collapse But would completely erase over te very iconic (and brilliant) chapter in which Beorn finds out about the Dwarves. / DanielLB 291 1 Nov 15 2012, 5:08pm
               I agree Sinister71 275 0 Nov 15 2012, 5:25pm
           Please no! {NT} Shelob'sAppetite 252 0 Nov 15 2012, 6:33pm

  Collapse Rare animals praised for acting up for The Hobbit News from Bree 344 4 Nov 15 2012, 8:21am Jump to last post in thread (by Shelob'sAppetite)
       Collapse Let the speculation begin! DanielLB 101 3 Nov 15 2012, 8:29pm
           Collapse I couldn't make out Fardragon 92 1 Nov 15 2012, 8:33pm
               It says they're keeping it in DanielLB 87 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:39pm
           Probably Shelob'sAppetite 110 0 Nov 15 2012, 9:11pm

  Hobbit films loaded with new technology News from Bree 242 0 Nov 15 2012, 7:56am Jump to last post in thread (by News from Bree)

  Collapse Gandalf knowing the history of Smeagol. Bryan 1166 36 Nov 15 2012, 2:00am Jump to last post in thread (by Tim)
       Collapse According to the book Ardamírë 761 4 Nov 15 2012, 2:05am
           That's right. Bryan 649 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:11am
           It's a bit strange in the movie... Ereinion Nénharma 490 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:04am
           Collapse It all makes sense.. let's have a closer look! Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 372 1 Nov 15 2012, 1:01pm
               Good point Ardamírë 283 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:58pm
       Collapse It's kind of messed up in the movie. Mooseboy018 643 5 Nov 15 2012, 2:29am
           Collapse Gollum refers to himself as Smeagol in TH? Really? nt totoro 584 2 Nov 15 2012, 2:47am
               I guess he forgot between TH and FOTR... nt totoro 561 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:48am
               I assume. Mooseboy018 574 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:59am
           Collapse Correction Danielos 371 1 Nov 15 2012, 11:24am
               I disagree.... Sinister71 301 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:42pm
       Collapse Somewhere in the Unfinished Tales it says ... DanielLB 420 24 Nov 15 2012, 9:47am
           Collapse Ahhh, yes. jtarkey 350 23 Nov 15 2012, 11:43am
               Mercy for Gollum Danielos 343 0 Nov 15 2012, 12:30pm
               Collapse And it explains why 3 eagles were sent to Mount Doom! DanielLB 279 21 Nov 15 2012, 3:08pm
                   Collapse I think the absence of... Ardamírë 273 20 Nov 15 2012, 3:21pm
                       Collapse I'm still shouting: DanielLB 257 19 Nov 15 2012, 4:26pm
                           Collapse Maybe they gave that line to one of the trolls... Sinister71 235 15 Nov 15 2012, 4:36pm
                               Collapse Probably... DanielLB 225 14 Nov 15 2012, 4:42pm
                                   Collapse Honestly the talking purse never bothered me too much anyways Sinister71 219 13 Nov 15 2012, 4:48pm
                                       Collapse It will be interesting to fid out why they removed it DanielLB 216 12 Nov 15 2012, 5:03pm
                                           Collapse They took it out because... Ardamírë 214 11 Nov 15 2012, 5:05pm
                                               Collapse Small steps, small steps! DanielLB 221 10 Nov 15 2012, 5:12pm
                                                   You *fear* you're derailing it? Ardamírë 202 0 Nov 15 2012, 5:27pm
                                                   Collapse So no issues with Dwalin's talking toupee? Lacrimae Rerum 209 8 Nov 15 2012, 5:59pm
                                                       Collapse I wouldn't have a problem with them, if Tolkien had written them into the story. / DanielLB 173 7 Nov 15 2012, 7:04pm
                                                           Collapse Tsk Tsk Lacrimae Rerum 174 6 Nov 15 2012, 7:07pm
                                                               Collapse It would obviously depend on their impact on the plot. DanielLB 179 5 Nov 15 2012, 7:18pm
                                                                   Collapse But that's a bit Lacrimae Rerum 161 4 Nov 15 2012, 7:56pm
                                                                       Collapse I'm here because I like Tolkien DanielLB 159 3 Nov 15 2012, 8:09pm
                                                                           Collapse Talking purse would be amazing if it was in ;) painjoiker 149 2 Nov 15 2012, 9:19pm
                                                                               Collapse I'd be stunned DanielLB 143 1 Nov 15 2012, 9:34pm
Riiight. ;-) // Tim 166 0 Nov 15 2012, 9:36pm
                           Collapse You need to record it Ardamírë 225 2 Nov 15 2012, 4:38pm
                               Collapse Sounds like a good idea to me ;-) / DanielLB 218 1 Nov 15 2012, 4:43pm
                                   Get to it!// Ardamírë 218 0 Nov 15 2012, 4:44pm

  Moved: UK Premiere Meetup Selwood - - Nov 15 2012, 12:36am Jump to last post in thread (by Selwood)

  Collapse problems finding 2D showings of the hobbit in the UK BilboBagshot187 486 16 Nov 14 2012, 10:30pm Jump to last post in thread (by Turambar)
       Collapse There's always a 2D option DanielLB 284 3 Nov 14 2012, 10:35pm
           Collapse Its not bringing any showings up though BilboBagshot187 248 2 Nov 14 2012, 10:42pm
               Collapse It's probably just Vue DanielLB 155 1 Nov 15 2012, 2:00am
                   Me Turambar 100 0 Nov 16 2012, 4:50pm
       Just tried the Odeon in Manchester Lacrimae Rerum 264 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:35pm
       Collapse 2D talkingmongoose 259 3 Nov 14 2012, 10:39pm
           Thanks BilboBagshot187 212 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:54pm
           Collapse hey I am Mancunian too, Elenorflower 211 1 Nov 14 2012, 10:57pm
               Small world indeed ; ) BilboBagshot187 197 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:03pm
       Collapse How is that a problem? Pipe Dream 253 6 Nov 14 2012, 10:42pm
           Collapse Its a problem if you dont like 3d BilboBagshot187 244 4 Nov 14 2012, 10:45pm
               Collapse Just think about... Pipe Dream 231 3 Nov 14 2012, 10:54pm
                   Collapse It wont be in 48FPS BilboBagshot187 210 2 Nov 14 2012, 11:01pm
                       Collapse I'm not on commission but the Odeon is also doing 48fps in Manchester. Lacrimae Rerum 195 1 Nov 14 2012, 11:24pm
                           Haha your right BilboBagshot187 188 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:41pm
           Sorry to say... Misto 134 0 Nov 15 2012, 11:53am

  Collapse There will be an Azanulbizar prologue in "An Unexpected Journey". Kangi Ska 2246 160 Nov 14 2012, 9:17pm Jump to last post in thread (by Kangi Ska)
       Either its that, or Smaug's assault on Erebor Shelob'sAppetite 1228 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:19pm
       Collapse I was expecting an official confirmation - or at least something from a "source" thomasofrohan 1160 5 Nov 14 2012, 9:25pm
           Collapse The film hasn't been locked down yet DanielLB 1161 2 Nov 14 2012, 9:29pm
               Are you a source? // Kangi Ska 1073 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:34pm
               Really? Arthael 764 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:34pm
           Collapse I am a source! Kangi Ska 1125 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm
               A flying source! The day Middle-earth stands still is upon us! // Plurmo 407 0 Nov 16 2012, 2:19am
       Collapse I believe there is no better place for Azanulbizar Apatcha 1155 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:25pm
           I have thought this would be the case since the beginning. Kangi Ska 1096 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:32pm
       Collapse Are we sure Azanulbizar is even in the films? Ardamírë 1119 133 Nov 14 2012, 9:30pm
           Collapse If it's brief, and fleshes out the Azog/Bolg vs Durin's line history of vengeance Shelob'sAppetite 1117 49 Nov 14 2012, 9:32pm
               Collapse Like I said, it's fine Ardamírë 1060 48 Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm
                   Collapse Understood Shelob'sAppetite 1044 47 Nov 14 2012, 9:37pm
                       Collapse Because... Ardamírë 1024 46 Nov 14 2012, 9:44pm
                           Collapse If done right, I think showing Azanulbizar could make the conflict feel more personal and thus more interesting than "everyone hates orcs anyway" thomasofrohan 869 44 Nov 14 2012, 9:49pm
                               Collapse Agreed. Macfeast 712 43 Nov 14 2012, 10:41pm
                                   Great points all around Shelob'sAppetite 698 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:46pm
                                   Collapse If Pj is as subtle as that pettytyrant101 702 37 Nov 14 2012, 10:56pm
                                       Collapse Perhaps the failures that were King Kong and Lovely Bones Shelob'sAppetite 708 36 Nov 14 2012, 11:11pm
                                           Collapse Strange thing is pettytyrant101 679 34 Nov 14 2012, 11:26pm
                                               Collapse Or alternatively Lacrimae Rerum 661 26 Nov 14 2012, 11:29pm
                                                   Collapse A matter of opinion, of course pettytyrant101 645 25 Nov 14 2012, 11:34pm
                                                       Collapse Ah shot A is deemed to be X Lacrimae Rerum 773 24 Nov 14 2012, 11:41pm
                                                           Collapse Until we see the films pettytyrant101 759 23 Nov 14 2012, 11:53pm
                                                               Collapse Or if you are the sort of person Lacrimae Rerum 756 21 Nov 14 2012, 11:56pm
                                                                   Collapse I would reckon pettytyrant101 745 20 Nov 15 2012, 12:03am
                                                                       Collapse The angle of the horse leg kick was wrong? Lacrimae Rerum 728 19 Nov 15 2012, 12:32am
                                                                           Collapse Cheap shot pettytyrant101 735 18 Nov 15 2012, 12:45am
                                                                               Collapse There are MOMENTS entirely about spectacle starlesswinter 701 7 Nov 15 2012, 12:57am
  Collapse It all comes down to pettytyrant101 680 6 Nov 15 2012, 1:15am
       Collapse Immersed Elessar 702 5 Nov 15 2012, 1:20am
           Collapse Or ... pettytyrant101 693 4 Nov 15 2012, 1:26am
               Collapse POV Elessar 652 3 Nov 15 2012, 2:05am
                   Collapse With a good imagination... totoro 621 2 Nov 15 2012, 2:45am
                       Collapse I dont think I lack an imagination pettytyrant101 551 1 Nov 15 2012, 7:27am
                           lol nt totoro 388 0 Nov 16 2012, 9:07am
                                                                               Collapse Great example. Lacrimae Rerum 550 9 Nov 15 2012, 7:39am
  Collapse My own take pettytyrant101 533 8 Nov 15 2012, 8:02am
       Collapse Middle-Earth feels "real" to you? Beutlin 605 5 Nov 15 2012, 12:54pm
           Collapse Yes, it does pettytyrant101 563 2 Nov 15 2012, 2:48pm
               Not to mention that this "feigned" history Shelob'sAppetite 494 0 Nov 15 2012, 7:57pm
               It is a brilliant fictional mythology. But it is not history. Beutlin 421 0 Nov 16 2012, 1:23am
           Collapse Literary criticism of LOTR seems to be changing Shelob'sAppetite 472 1 Nov 15 2012, 4:59pm
               Oh, I am not arguing that reception of Tolkien's works will never change. Beutlin 419 0 Nov 16 2012, 1:41am
       POV 2 Elessar 569 0 Nov 15 2012, 1:52pm
       Absolutely Lacrimae Rerum 500 0 Nov 15 2012, 4:09pm
                                                               Exactly.... adnan 439 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:47pm
                                               Collapse Heavenly Creatures, yes Shelob'sAppetite 650 2 Nov 14 2012, 11:35pm
                                                   Collapse She knows Tolkien?? ElendilTheShort 561 1 Nov 15 2012, 7:42am
                                                       Knowing Tolkien starlesswinter 493 0 Nov 15 2012, 7:48pm
                                               Collapse Fran is by far the most intelligent writer starlesswinter 777 3 Nov 15 2012, 12:04am
                                                   Collapse I also get that sense Shelob'sAppetite 612 2 Nov 15 2012, 4:40am
                                                       Collapse Well starlesswinter 580 1 Nov 15 2012, 6:47am
                                                           If TT had been better... pettytyrant101 553 0 Nov 15 2012, 7:31am
                                           King Kong was not a box office failure though. Carne 769 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:40pm
                                   Collapse And Lusitano 671 1 Nov 14 2012, 10:57pm
                                       Agreed thats great stuff pettytyrant101 657 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:03pm
                                   Collapse Absolutely... adnan 452 1 Nov 15 2012, 8:36pm
                                       Sure... Fardragon 449 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:38pm
                           I dont think PJ likes coincidences in a story but he loves action sequences, That all very fine with me. Dlanor da Great 706 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:41pm
           Collapse It's in. Fardragon 1088 82 Nov 14 2012, 9:32pm
               Collapse Curious Shelob'sAppetite 1065 10 Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm
                   Collapse Pointless padding Fardragon 1058 9 Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm
                       Collapse Azanulbizar is very importantant for an understanding of the Kangi Ska 1054 8 Nov 14 2012, 9:42pm
                           Collapse Everyone hates orcs Fardragon 1013 6 Nov 14 2012, 9:45pm
                               Collapse But it's a lot more cinematically interesting Shelob'sAppetite 792 5 Nov 14 2012, 10:01pm
                                   Agreed! Tim 717 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:30pm
                                   Collapse Not really, all orcs are the same Fardragon 516 3 Nov 15 2012, 8:33am
                                       Collapse If all orcs are the same Aitieuriskon 551 2 Nov 15 2012, 3:02pm
                                           Collapse All orcs aren't the same but... Sinister71 537 1 Nov 15 2012, 3:25pm
                                               I agree Aitieuriskon 508 0 Nov 15 2012, 3:35pm
                           But none of that is needed Ardamírë 821 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:47pm
               Collapse I think I remember that interview Ardamírë 1045 4 Nov 14 2012, 9:36pm
                   Collapse It the one where he talks about playing a younger Thorin Fardragon 1028 3 Nov 14 2012, 9:38pm
                       Collapse Plus in Vlog, we see Thorin Fŕfnir 1032 2 Nov 14 2012, 9:41pm
                           Collapse Yup, the BO5A isn't filmed until next year. / DanielLB 1010 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:42pm
                               Also, we know from the Official Movie Gude (and perhaps elsewhere) Voronwë_the_Faithful 667 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:30pm
               Collapse Im also unsure about this pettytyrant101 1029 65 Nov 14 2012, 9:47pm
                   Collapse This is a fear I have as well Shelob'sAppetite 784 60 Nov 14 2012, 10:04pm
                       Good point Ardamírë 757 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:05pm
                       Got to admit pettytyrant101 755 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:09pm
                       Collapse That's because it's not very interesting! Fardragon 524 55 Nov 15 2012, 8:24am
                           Collapse And the Battle of the Last Alliance... Macfeast 622 54 Nov 15 2012, 12:05pm
                               Thoughts based on music... Shagrat 607 0 Nov 15 2012, 12:11pm
                               Collapse Sure, you can make a battle interesting by focusing on details Fardragon 513 51 Nov 15 2012, 3:35pm
                                   Collapse The story can absolutely do without these details Macfeast 518 50 Nov 15 2012, 3:45pm
                                       Collapse I don't see it enriching the films "a great deal" Fardragon 500 49 Nov 15 2012, 4:16pm
                                           Collapse Fortunately for many of us Lusitano 473 11 Nov 15 2012, 4:52pm
                                               Collapse Response. Fardragon 439 10 Nov 15 2012, 6:26pm
                                                   Fardragon, you surprise me Shelob'sAppetite 445 0 Nov 15 2012, 6:30pm
                                                   Collapse 1 No, since the decision was made on a base of creativity and lack Lusitano 434 8 Nov 15 2012, 6:41pm
                                                       Collapse Most definitely! Fardragon 483 7 Nov 15 2012, 8:17pm
                                                           Studio dave_lf 474 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:22pm
                                                           Collapse Cheesy? Shelob'sAppetite 470 5 Nov 15 2012, 8:25pm
                                                               Cheese free! Tim 465 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:27pm
                                                               Collapse The last alliance scene stank of so much cheese Fardragon 462 3 Nov 15 2012, 8:31pm
                                                                   Collapse But there was a lot more to the prologue Shelob'sAppetite 460 2 Nov 15 2012, 8:34pm
                                                                       Collapse Was there? Fardragon 457 1 Nov 15 2012, 8:35pm
                                                                           Clearly Lusitano 422 0 Nov 16 2012, 1:03am
                                           Collapse Padding is padding starlesswinter 399 36 Nov 15 2012, 7:46pm
                                               Collapse That's your definition of padding Shelob'sAppetite 382 35 Nov 16 2012, 6:16am
                                                   Collapse verisimilitude? Fardragon 387 8 Nov 16 2012, 8:36am
                                                       Verisimilitude totoro 532 0 Nov 16 2012, 9:42am
                                                       Collapse Who decided that films can't be about truth? Shelob'sAppetite 431 6 Nov 16 2012, 11:25pm
                                                           Collapse The audience! Fardragon 402 5 Nov 17 2012, 8:59am
                                                               Collapse You seem rather nearsighted. Kangi Ska 387 4 Nov 17 2012, 7:37pm
                                                                   Collapse This is what I mean by elitist: Fardragon 367 3 Nov 18 2012, 8:38am
                                                                       Collapse You say your an elitist Kangi Ska 91 2 Nov 19 2012, 3:39am
                                                                           Collapse You fight like a cow! Fardragon 76 1 Nov 19 2012, 7:48am
                                                                               Fight? Kangi Ska 107 0 Nov 19 2012, 3:13pm
                                                   What is good for the goose is good for the gander Elessar 469 0 Nov 16 2012, 1:59pm
                                                   Collapse Every author is guilty of padding starlesswinter 434 24 Nov 16 2012, 11:02pm
                                                       Collapse Of course films have time to indulge Shelob'sAppetite 430 23 Nov 16 2012, 11:27pm
                                                           Collapse Well, yes, but not as much as a book starlesswinter 425 22 Nov 16 2012, 11:35pm
                                                               Collapse Agreed Shelob'sAppetite 421 21 Nov 16 2012, 11:42pm
                                                                   Really? I feel that the atmosphere is one thing he got right. starlesswinter 418 0 Nov 16 2012, 11:53pm
                                                                   Collapse The more complex the source material Fardragon 395 19 Nov 17 2012, 3:03pm
                                                                       Really? starlesswinter 389 0 Nov 17 2012, 7:21pm
                                                                       Collapse The Prizoner of Azkaban stands out. Kangi Ska 378 17 Nov 17 2012, 7:40pm
                                                                           Agreed starlesswinter 369 0 Nov 17 2012, 9:06pm
                                                                           Collapse Agreed 100% Shelob'sAppetite 366 15 Nov 17 2012, 9:07pm
                                                                               Collapse Although I am very much a Peter Jackson fan starlesswinter 367 9 Nov 17 2012, 9:25pm
  During the speculation about who would direct Shelob'sAppetite 363 0 Nov 17 2012, 10:21pm
  Collapse He was my first pick when Del Toro left. // Kangi Ska 360 7 Nov 18 2012, 2:21am
       Collapse It pains me to think Shelob'sAppetite 385 6 Nov 18 2012, 6:44am
           Collapse Jackson or Spielberg Elessar 354 5 Nov 18 2012, 7:29am
               Collapse Spielberg & Tolkien?! Fardragon 349 4 Nov 18 2012, 8:36am
                   Absolutely Elessar 397 0 Nov 18 2012, 3:56pm
                   Collapse Have to agree with Fardragon here Shelob'sAppetite 387 2 Nov 18 2012, 7:11pm
                       Collapse I believe Spielberg has already turned down Star Wars starlesswinter 369 1 Nov 18 2012, 8:06pm
                           A few have hedged Fardragon 390 0 Nov 18 2012, 9:55pm
                                                                               Collapse I've seen them all many times Fardragon 361 4 Nov 18 2012, 8:28am
  Actually I would have to agree with SA Lacrimae Rerum 400 0 Nov 18 2012, 4:39pm
  Thanks for the armchair psychology, but no Shelob'sAppetite 417 0 Nov 18 2012, 7:08pm
  Collapse Not so for me starlesswinter 372 1 Nov 18 2012, 8:05pm
       Yup Shelob'sAppetite 421 0 Nov 18 2012, 8:16pm
                               Meat on the bone Elessar 472 0 Nov 15 2012, 4:42pm
                       Collapse By the way. Macfeast 416 1 Nov 17 2012, 2:48am
                           Apart from the Spanish conquistadoresque helmets of the dwarves Shelob'sAppetite 444 0 Nov 17 2012, 2:51am
                   Collapse Character Arcs are actually a good thing. Elutherian 768 3 Nov 14 2012, 10:08pm
                       That depends on the need for an arc pettytyrant101 729 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:27pm
                       Yes, yes Shelob'sAppetite 719 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:34pm
                       Agreed.// Owain 394 0 Nov 16 2012, 5:43am
       Collapse Maybe the last notes of "A good Omen"... Fŕfnir 1054 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm
           But dave_lf 817 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:53pm
       Now we have 3 films it's extremely likely sycorax82 1051 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:39pm
       3 "Prologues" sprinkled throughtout the first half? Arthael 738 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:53pm
       Collapse I think there is a good chance that we will glimpse The Balrog as well. AinurOlorin 564 12 Nov 15 2012, 7:42am
           Collapse The Balrog = An Ancient Enemy? Shagrat 560 4 Nov 15 2012, 9:54am
               OK, just had a thought, although I know Shore's -much- better than this.. Xanaseb 655 0 Nov 15 2012, 11:31am
               Collapse Neither Balrog nor Smaug is the "Ancient Enemy" (potential spoilers) Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 677 2 Nov 15 2012, 12:16pm
                   Collapse 'An Ancient Enemy' Shagrat 628 1 Nov 15 2012, 1:03pm
                       Yes and no (spoilers) Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 592 0 Nov 15 2012, 1:15pm
           Collapse The Balrog AND the Battle of Anazar-thingy (always spell it wrong)?...Awesome! malickfan 547 6 Nov 15 2012, 3:26pm
               Collapse Please no Balrog Ardamírë 532 5 Nov 15 2012, 3:32pm
                   Collapse The Balrog is, in some ways, the most directly significant figure in Third Age Dwarven history. AinurOlorin 431 4 Nov 16 2012, 12:38am
                       Collapse I'm pretty sure Ardamírë 417 3 Nov 16 2012, 12:59am
                           Collapse I am half with you. AinurOlorin 418 2 Nov 16 2012, 1:13am
                               Collapse Malfeasance... Tim 392 1 Nov 16 2012, 5:39am
                                   Lol. Why thank you, sir. AinurOlorin 371 0 Nov 16 2012, 8:26am

  Collapse Shot from TV Spot 6 SPOILER Gusev8 1746 32 Nov 14 2012, 8:35pm Jump to last post in thread (by DanielLB)
       I think films two and three Lacrimae Rerum 909 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:38pm
       Collapse Wanted to ask the same... TheHutt 856 11 Nov 14 2012, 8:39pm
           Collapse Doubt it sarahb1863 778 10 Nov 14 2012, 8:50pm
               Collapse My guess Fardragon 687 3 Nov 14 2012, 9:23pm
                   Collapse Probably right, but Shelob'sAppetite 652 2 Nov 14 2012, 9:27pm
                       Your not dead at 0. Fardragon 637 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:31pm
                       Is that Orcrist? Reptile 267 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:46am
               Collapse Bit of a mess of Bilbo's story pettytyrant101 526 4 Nov 14 2012, 10:46pm
                   Collapse The three film structure Not_the_beard 481 2 Nov 14 2012, 11:01pm
                       Collapse Perhaps the problem there pettytyrant101 374 1 Nov 14 2012, 11:18pm
                           I was just thinking the same thing!! Longbottom Leaf 345 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:30pm
                   Note that he is defending himself from the goblin, not attacking. Carne 357 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:42pm
               Also, there are white ashes falling in that last shot Shelob'sAppetite 495 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:52pm
       I'm not sure if this specific shot needed its own thread thomasofrohan 777 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:40pm
       Thorin DanielLB 766 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:46pm
       Collapse I'm willingly to bet.. Mischa07 821 5 Nov 14 2012, 8:47pm
           Collapse Hilarious! DanielLB 719 1 Nov 14 2012, 8:52pm
               Good :D NT Mischa07 536 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:52pm
           bloody orcs! you first Lusitano 678 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:06pm
           Collapse That just made my day Flame of Udun 569 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:42pm
               Great! NT Mischa07 529 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:53pm
       He just migh be sleeping as well..... Apatcha 703 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:01pm
       Collapse I highlighted this in the other thread about the TV spot Shelob'sAppetite 708 4 Nov 14 2012, 9:08pm
           Collapse Thorin goes over the cliff... TheHutt 678 3 Nov 14 2012, 9:16pm
               Collapse And Tauriel revives him by caressing his stubble / DanielLB 642 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:18pm
                   No, Bill the Pony does! TheHutt 626 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:22pm
               That would be brilliant Shelob'sAppetite 642 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:21pm
       This can´t be Marionette 497 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:57pm
       Of course he is not going to die. Joe20 288 0 Nov 15 2012, 1:56am
       Collapse Could be BO5A ElendilTheShort 219 1 Nov 15 2012, 7:23am
           None of it has been filmed yet. So it's very unlikely. / DanielLB 200 0 Nov 15 2012, 9:49am
       Yes, he will die in the first film little mouse 211 0 Nov 15 2012, 9:30am

  Collapse Smaug Art JWPlatt 849 2 Nov 14 2012, 6:34pm Jump to last post in thread (by Lissuin)
       Collapse Images JWPlatt 453 1 Nov 14 2012, 6:46pm
           I'll take one of each, thanks.// Lissuin 282 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:25pm

  Collapse Thread Locked The Hobbit : tv spot 6 Vangalad 787 8 Nov 14 2012, 6:31pm Jump to last post in thread (by Eledhwen)
       Collapse Thread Locked Late for seconds! Vangalad 312 3 Nov 14 2012, 6:35pm
           Collapse Thread Locked Sorry about that! // Arandir 294 2 Nov 14 2012, 6:36pm
               Collapse Thread Locked But I saw it first! Vangalad 289 1 Nov 14 2012, 6:40pm
                   Thread Locked Agreed! // Arandir 252 0 Nov 14 2012, 6:48pm
       Collapse Thread Locked The single most encouraging trailer I have seen since the first one Shelob'sAppetite 312 1 Nov 14 2012, 6:48pm
           Thread Locked My favourite Merowen 249 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:10pm
       Thread Locked Woah, at 0:24 - SPOILERS Shelob'sAppetite 283 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:14pm
       Thread Locked Locking this thread Eledhwen 182 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:33pm

  Collapse TV Spot 6! Arandir 3296 141 Nov 14 2012, 6:31pm Jump to last post in thread (by Fardragon)
       Collapse Love it! DanielLB 1741 2 Nov 14 2012, 6:34pm
           Collapse IMO, this seems like it's from the end of the film, with Bilbo having rejoined the Dwarves after Goblin-town... Captain Salt 1605 1 Nov 14 2012, 6:58pm
               Agreed dave_lf 418 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:46pm
       Simply beautiful! Escapist 1731 0 Nov 14 2012, 6:35pm
       Collapse This one was...different Flame of Udun 1798 5 Nov 14 2012, 6:35pm
           Collapse I suspect Thorin asks Bilbo DanielLB 1776 3 Nov 14 2012, 6:39pm
               Collapse That would make more sense Flame of Udun 1650 1 Nov 14 2012, 6:46pm
                   Sounds fine to me thomasofrohan 1594 0 Nov 14 2012, 6:53pm
               I don't think... Pousette 569 0 Nov 15 2012, 12:32pm
           I think the laugh.. Azaghâl 942 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:57pm
       Collapse I love the opening scene of that... dormouse 1751 1 Nov 14 2012, 6:36pm
         Groovy! Start drawing! Tim 834 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:09pm
       Oh I'm not gonna make it through the wait!!!// elevorn 1669 0 Nov 14 2012, 6:38pm
       My favourite TV Spot so far Ayiana 1686 0 Nov 14 2012, 6:40pm
       Collapse Nice to get a good amount of Bilbo dialogue! Carne 1642 12 Nov 14 2012, 6:51pm
           Collapse I think you're right in regards to Thorin. Macfeast 1516 11 Nov 14 2012, 7:14pm
               Collapse Also, the laugh isn't directed at Thorin but Dwalin. // Estel78 1399 9 Nov 14 2012, 7:28pm
                   Collapse I can't get FB to play it. Is there another Link? Bombadil 797 8 Nov 14 2012, 8:20pm
                       Youtube link from earlier in the thread Lauryn 812 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm
                       Youtube Dipling 793 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm
                       Here you go... Aragorn the Elfstone 780 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm
                       YouTube link Lissuin 809 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm
                     We've all got your back, Bomby!// Lissuin 777 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:24pm
                       me too grinman 767 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:26pm
                       Collapse One more youtube link for the collection TheHutt 888 1 Nov 14 2012, 8:45pm
                           Thanks Lusitano 809 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:58pm
               The laugh Pousette 575 0 Nov 15 2012, 12:29pm
       Collapse The theatrical trailer would have been much better had it been more in vein of this TV spot. // Estel78 1564 1 Nov 14 2012, 6:55pm
           Very much agreed. Ardamírë 1518 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:04pm
       Here's the heart.// Lissuin 1549 0 Nov 14 2012, 6:59pm
       Collapse Woah, at 0:24 - SPOILERS Shelob'sAppetite 1596 1 Nov 14 2012, 7:16pm
           Probably the scene in which Thorin DanielLB 914 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:48pm
       Collapse The single most encouraging trailer I have seen since the first one Shelob'sAppetite 1544 6 Nov 14 2012, 7:17pm
           Agreed that the laugh being fake is the point, so it's appropriate. Regarding Bilbo and Freeman's performance, I also enjoy... thomasofrohan 1486 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:20pm
           Collapse The question is... Aragalen the Green 1468 4 Nov 14 2012, 7:23pm
               Collapse I know Shelob'sAppetite 1404 2 Nov 14 2012, 7:28pm
                   Collapse Oops, sorry :) Aragalen the Green 1342 1 Nov 14 2012, 7:33pm
                       Yes. This line is most likely taken from another moment in the film (in Bag End). // Estel78 960 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:36pm
               i dont think Lusitano 880 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:45pm
       They seem to have fixed some visual "fakery" starlesswinter 1513 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:20pm
       Collapse Ok, not thrilled.... smokerings 1485 33 Nov 14 2012, 7:31pm
           Collapse I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it at all thomasofrohan 1037 1 Nov 14 2012, 7:34pm
               I really agree with you Pousette 566 0 Nov 15 2012, 12:47pm
           Don't get it... Estel78 1035 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:35pm
           Collapse Underwhelmed... Eleniel 1048 1 Nov 14 2012, 7:38pm
               As far as television spots go, which tend to be chaotic, it's fairly well-cut, IMO thomasofrohan 968 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:39pm
           Collapse I'm not convinced yet either... Captain Salt 1003 11 Nov 14 2012, 7:42pm
               Part of the reason why I loved hearing the full Hobbit score... thomasofrohan 963 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:47pm
               Goosebumps Elessar 942 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:48pm
               Collapse I don't think this has anything to do with it. Estel78 943 8 Nov 14 2012, 7:49pm
                   Collapse They're not necessarily mutually exclusive. Captain Salt 902 7 Nov 14 2012, 7:55pm
                       Collapse Of course not, but I'm speaking from what I've observed... thomasofrohan 877 1 Nov 14 2012, 7:58pm
                           yep yep redgiraffe 838 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:52pm
                       If he was forced to do something then it's mutually exclusive. Estel78 851 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:04pm
                       Collapse I agree, there's no way to tell redgiraffe 855 3 Nov 14 2012, 8:49pm
                           Collapse I had a dream the other night jtarkey 845 2 Nov 14 2012, 8:53pm
                               Collapse hahahahaha redgiraffe 804 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:03pm
                                   I hope so jtarkey 700 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:34pm
           Collapse Out of curiosity Shelob'sAppetite 881 3 Nov 14 2012, 8:12pm
               Collapse You said it! grinman 765 1 Nov 14 2012, 8:32pm
                   Well put! // Pousette 560 0 Nov 15 2012, 12:52pm
               YES! Pousette 565 0 Nov 15 2012, 12:50pm
           Collapse Quite the opposite for me... Cave Troll 792 5 Nov 14 2012, 9:16pm
               Collapse The faint is indeed rather unfortunate Shelob'sAppetite 765 4 Nov 14 2012, 9:25pm
                   Collapse I'm definitely expecting great things from Freeman... thomasofrohan 739 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:30pm
                       Wood is excellent in Everything is Illuminated Shelob'sAppetite 778 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:37pm
                   Collapse Oh, I agree. Cave Troll 717 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm
                       Agreed Shelob'sAppetite 705 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm
           Collapse I actually agree dave_lf 653 5 Nov 14 2012, 10:00pm
               I'm really surprised that it's coming off this way to some... thomasofrohan 852 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:04pm
               Collapse Glad someone else feels like that too... Eleniel 831 1 Nov 14 2012, 10:12pm
                   I also agree, although less so on subsequent viewings Voronwë_the_Faithful 704 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:39pm
               Collapse But isn't insincerity Shelob'sAppetite 708 1 Nov 15 2012, 6:05am
                   No. Fardragon 640 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:42am
       Reminds me of Merry's monologue... TheHutt 935 0 Nov 14 2012, 7:55pm
       Collapse What's really gratifying to see... Aragorn the Elfstone 896 1 Nov 14 2012, 8:08pm
           Even if it's not the ending redgiraffe 847 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:55pm
       Collapse Goblin King throne and foot at 0:10 Shelob'sAppetite 805 1 Nov 14 2012, 8:29pm
           Don't think he's dead Carne 910 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:36pm
       Collapse That so honestly sooooo good. *tears* Faenoriel 917 3 Nov 14 2012, 8:46pm
         Thang you ALL very Buch! Bombadil 854 0 Nov 14 2012, 8:53pm
           Collapse I'm with you... Pipe Dream 764 1 Nov 14 2012, 10:39pm
               I just realized Shelob'sAppetite 759 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:48pm
       It seems like....... Apatcha 803 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:06pm
       Collapse So much goodness! Arthael 737 2 Nov 14 2012, 9:28pm
           Collapse Galadriel: something moves in the dark??? Shelob'sAppetite 727 1 Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm
               It's actually from two spots TheHutt 669 0 Nov 14 2012, 9:48pm
       Freeman is completely convincing. Lissuin 652 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:03pm
       I'm with Daniel! Tim 638 0 Nov 14 2012, 10:04pm
       Collapse Can anyone identify the track of the music in this spot? DanielLB 811 5 Nov 14 2012, 10:23pm
           Collapse Don't listen, Daniel! Ardamírë 793 4 Nov 14 2012, 10:29pm
               Collapse It's just too hard not to though! / DanielLB 765 3 Nov 14 2012, 10:37pm
                   Collapse You must be strong! Ardamírë 604 2 Nov 15 2012, 1:13am
                       Collapse Well, I am Sunflower 567 1 Nov 15 2012, 2:49am
                           You've got more fortitude than most! Ardamírë 533 0 Nov 15 2012, 5:16am
       Collapse Its good to see Elenorflower 766 2 Nov 14 2012, 10:53pm
           Agreed Shelob'sAppetite 740 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:04pm
           Martin is balancing the emotional moment here Vangalad 738 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:15pm
     The best Marionette 736 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:03pm
       Collapse Quick Hijack... Pipe Dream 783 38 Nov 14 2012, 11:22pm
           Collapse It's amazing Shelob'sAppetite 740 36 Nov 14 2012, 11:33pm
               Collapse I believe the yak hair is for budget reasons Carne 709 1 Nov 14 2012, 11:45pm
                   I remember an interview with Armitage... Pipe Dream 712 0 Nov 14 2012, 11:54pm
               Collapse very true Elenorflower 696 33 Nov 14 2012, 11:48pm
                   Collapse Am I the only one who loves starhead Nori? starlesswinter 656 32 Nov 15 2012, 12:26am
                       Collapse So the only two design options were Shelob'sAppetite 543 31 Nov 15 2012, 4:33am
                           Collapse Oh no, of course not starlesswinter 675 24 Nov 15 2012, 6:39am
                               I agree Shelob'sAppetite 666 0 Nov 15 2012, 6:42am
                               Collapse thing is, I think they have created Elenorflower 514 22 Nov 15 2012, 4:24pm
                                   Collapse A case can certainly be made Fardragon 503 1 Nov 15 2012, 4:36pm
                                       In a one-film Hobbit Shelob'sAppetite 444 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:10pm
                                   Collapse The problem PJ runs into with this approach is... Tim 493 17 Nov 15 2012, 5:18pm
                                       Collapse I agree that in LOTR some supporting figures Elenorflower 416 16 Nov 15 2012, 11:47pm
                                           Well yeah in a perfect world Tim 452 0 Nov 16 2012, 12:51am
                                           Collapse I agree Shelob'sAppetite 434 14 Nov 16 2012, 6:22am
                                               Collapse And not found an audiance Fardragon 437 13 Nov 16 2012, 8:54am
                                                   Collapse It's more than possible the audience would have stuck around Tim 407 12 Nov 16 2012, 2:40pm
                                                       Collapse A series of seven simple and largely self contained stories Fardragon 413 11 Nov 16 2012, 3:15pm
                                                           Collapse It's completely comparable Tim 398 10 Nov 16 2012, 3:28pm
                                                               Collapse These are examples of seperate, self contained stories Fardragon 392 6 Nov 16 2012, 4:06pm
                                                                   Collapse I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill Tim 405 5 Nov 16 2012, 4:16pm
                                                                       Sure people are interested in the characters Fardragon 370 0 Nov 16 2012, 4:26pm
                                                                       Collapse I'd like to see a 6-film LOTR Shelob'sAppetite 367 3 Nov 17 2012, 5:08am
                                                                           Collapse A good director doesn't always equate to a good film ;-) / DanielLB 320 1 Nov 17 2012, 11:11am
                                                                               Points at "Children of Men" Fardragon 345 0 Nov 17 2012, 3:12pm
                                                                           Does he even [i]like[/i] Tolkien? Fardragon 322 0 Nov 17 2012, 2:45pm
                                                               Collapse Exactly Tim, and all the more reason Elenorflower 387 1 Nov 16 2012, 4:11pm
                                                                   For me Martin Freeman Tim 380 0 Nov 16 2012, 4:22pm
                                                               I agree with Tim Shelob'sAppetite 344 0 Nov 17 2012, 5:06am
                                   Collapse I don't think all the backstory will take up screentime though starlesswinter 457 1 Nov 15 2012, 7:56pm
                                       That's a very encouraging quote from Philippa! Voronwë_the_Faithful 440 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:14pm
                           Collapse Aw, c'mon the person didn't say there were only two options. Tim 662 4 Nov 15 2012, 7:31am
                               Collapse Um, it was quite strongly implied by the following statement Shelob'sAppetite 438 3 Nov 15 2012, 8:08pm
                                   Collapse Nope Tim 432 2 Nov 15 2012, 8:20pm
                                       Collapse I think you're reading a different post Shelob'sAppetite 424 1 Nov 15 2012, 8:30pm
                                           Well, no, I wasn't suggesting it's the only alternative starlesswinter 358 0 Nov 16 2012, 11:05pm
                           The only one? Voronwë_the_Faithful 542 0 Nov 15 2012, 2:10pm
           Well I didn't before! Ardamírë 634 0 Nov 15 2012, 1:15am
       My analysis of TV spot 6: Fardragon 653 0 Nov 15 2012, 11:35am
       lovely triptrap 481 0 Nov 15 2012, 6:12pm
       On a completely different subject dave_lf 446 0 Nov 15 2012, 8:21pm

  Moved: Prince Charles visited WETA today - and was greeted by Dori! thomasofrohan - - Nov 14 2012, 4:45pm Jump to last post in thread (by thomasofrohan)
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