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Movie Discussion: The Hobbit
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  Collapse A bit of extended material? jackster 897 4 Sun, 10:59pm Jump to last post in thread (by MouthofSauron)
       i really hope so MouthofSauron 338 0 Sun, 11:49pm
       it might have been the alternate version actually MouthofSauron 343 0 Sun, 11:53pm
       Collapse I like the way the scene was edited... tsmith675 342 1 Sun, 11:59pm
           the original edit seems slower which i like better MouthofSauron 330 0 Mon, 12:02am

  Collapse Why wouldn't Thorin know (grandson of Thrór) about the secret door? MouthofSauron 794 25 Sun, 9:12pm Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)
       Maybe... Rembrethil 472 0 Sun, 9:17pm
       Collapse My thoughts :) Barbarb 415 1 Sun, 10:02pm
           right but someone built it MouthofSauron 393 0 Sun, 10:06pm
       These are dwarves Escapist 392 0 Sun, 10:08pm
       Collapse Actually, this is a bit puzzling in both the book and the movie Elarie 408 2 Sun, 10:11pm
           Collapse exactly MouthofSauron 371 1 Sun, 10:14pm
               just thinking - Thorin had a brother who was killed in battle Elarie 369 0 Sun, 10:22pm
       I think he may have known it from the inside but not the exterior entrance sycorax82 342 0 Sun, 11:06pm
       Collapse In the book Hamfast Gamgee 365 3 Sun, 11:21pm
           Collapse also in the book MouthofSauron 338 2 Mon, 12:12am
               Collapse There appear to be quite a few statues around Erebor.... dormouse 278 1 Mon, 7:07am
                   Like the lookout idea Avandel 207 0 Mon, 2:07pm
       Collapse Excellent question and some excellent answers! I have one more question : The Grey Elf 206 3 Mon, 2:43pm
           What a good question - I never thought about that before Elarie 186 0 Mon, 3:09pm
           Collapse Dwarves were good at magic involving secrets and the earth. Otaku-sempai 184 1 Mon, 3:22pm
               Thanks for filling in the blanks, Otaku! The Grey Elf 165 0 Mon, 3:51pm
       They forgot it? Calithilel 166 0 Mon, 4:22pm
       Doesn't trust him Darkstone 132 0 Mon, 8:55pm
       Collapse But the mountain is older than Thror Kilidoescartwheels 76 6 Tue, 1:37pm
           Hmmm MouthofSauron 58 0 Tue, 6:30pm
           Collapse It was built by Thrór and Thráin BlackFox 58 4 Tue, 6:46pm
               Collapse it still begs the question MouthofSauron 47 3 Tue, 7:22pm
                   Collapse Thrain went mad. Otaku-sempai 33 2 Tue, 10:02pm
                       Collapse Thrain didn't go mad until after the MouthofSauron 29 1 Tue, 11:45pm
                           Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Otaku-sempai 16 0 Wed, 2:34pm

  Collapse Beyond the Forest lyrics? FaramirAndEowynMorningStar 427 6 Sun, 5:52pm Jump to last post in thread (by Earl)
       Collapse I don't know which pieces are actually sung... Earl 243 2 Sun, 6:13pm
           Collapse Earl! Gosh it's good to see you! / SirDennisC 201 1 Sun, 6:31pm
               You too, SirD :) // Earl 31 0 Mon, 10:39pm
       Collapse Nope SafeUnderHill 187 1 Sun, 7:20pm
           My thoughts exactly. FaramirAndEowynMorningStar 89 0 Mon, 8:12am
       Lyrics Skaan 92 0 Mon, 11:05am

  Collapse Did Fili lose his pipe? Elarie 381 7 Sun, 3:37pm Jump to last post in thread (by tsmith675)
       yeah deskp 235 0 Sun, 4:10pm
       Ohh SafeUnderHill 215 0 Sun, 4:31pm
       Collapse I noticed that pipe too Kim 159 2 Sun, 8:37pm
           Collapse I thought Cirashala 110 1 Mon, 4:28am
               Good points Kim 45 0 Mon, 10:10pm
       . Elskidor 118 0 Sun, 11:30pm
       No! tsmith675 45 0 Mon, 10:39pm

  Collapse End of the road for the prequel? Hamfast Gamgee 1346 56 Sun, 10:06am Jump to last post in thread (by Hamfast Gamgee)
       Collapse Prequels Glorfindela 661 39 Sun, 11:57am
           Collapse Legolas in DOS is the same one in LOTR IMO Annatar598 586 7 Sun, 1:16pm
               Collapse For me Glorfindela 547 5 Sun, 1:26pm
                   Collapse I suppose 'Hobbit' Legolas's - Hanzkaz 542 4 Sun, 1:37pm
                       Differences in perception, I suppose Glorfindela 522 0 Sun, 1:43pm
                       Collapse In the March Madness thing Escapist 504 2 Sun, 2:09pm
                           Collapse Certainly Glorfindela 490 1 Sun, 2:18pm
                               Agreed - for so many reasons! Escapist 481 0 Sun, 2:28pm
               I agree. FrogmortonJustice65 117 0 Mon, 6:56pm
           Collapse that's because Barrow-Wight 486 3 Sun, 2:31pm
               Collapse Yes, but one of my points is that Glorfindela 464 2 Sun, 2:51pm
                   Collapse maybe Barrow-Wight 438 1 Sun, 3:16pm
                     Well, he ain't succeeding! Glorfindela 409 0 Sun, 4:37pm
           Collapse Tolkien-created connections. Otaku-sempai 501 26 Sun, 2:33pm
               Collapse Indeed… Glorfindela 468 25 Sun, 2:56pm
                   Hmm Thranderz 460 0 Sun, 3:01pm
                   Collapse "Unfortunately for them, this strategy backfired". patrickk 301 23 Mon, 2:02am
                       Collapse Patrickk: Glorfindela 249 20 Mon, 11:37am
                           Collapse Well.... Name 221 14 Mon, 2:26pm
                               Collapse Hmm, we'll see Glorfindela 208 13 Mon, 3:01pm
                                   Collapse 86% audience on RT for DoS vs 83% for AUJ. Imladris18 202 1 Mon, 3:13pm
                                       Exactly Name 169 0 Mon, 3:48pm
                                   Collapse "once the weather had improved." Magpie 190 10 Mon, 3:36pm
                                       Collapse Sounds horrible (and interesting)! Glorfindela 176 3 Mon, 3:43pm
                                           Collapse haha... Magpie 157 2 Mon, 4:23pm
                                               Collapse Interesting … Glorfindela 145 1 Mon, 4:42pm
                                                   I really believe... Magpie 132 0 Mon, 5:33pm
                                       Collapse NE Ohio checking in. Imladris18 150 2 Mon, 4:39pm
                                           Collapse Urban east coast too Avandel 63 1 Mon, 11:25pm
                                               There is this… Glorfindela 90 0 Tue, 12:05am
                                       Collapse Same in Chicago entmaiden 81 2 Mon, 10:08pm
                                           Same here Avandel 87 0 Mon, 11:28pm
                                           Well you know what that means Kim 73 0 Tue, 3:48am
                           Collapse . Imladris18 206 3 Mon, 2:57pm
                               Collapse Imlardis: Glorfindela 197 2 Mon, 3:10pm
                                   Collapse "Imlardis" lol Imladris18 191 1 Mon, 3:28pm
                                       Could be you are right, certainly about the 'emotional backing' Glorfindela 177 0 Mon, 3:39pm
                           I think the reverse... patrickk 72 0 Tue, 3:11am
                       Collapse both better and worse (but mostly the same) Escapist 227 1 Mon, 12:46pm
                           The value of the $US explains a lot: for example in Australia... patrickk 72 0 Tue, 3:07am
       These Hobbit movies - Hanzkaz 570 0 Sun, 1:28pm
       Collapse I was surprised. Adanel 382 10 Sun, 7:02pm
           Collapse Lucky you. Glorfindela 313 9 Sun, 9:42pm
               Collapse The only part about it that seems predictable Escapist 306 2 Sun, 9:50pm
                   Collapse Yes, agree with you there Glorfindela 287 1 Sun, 9:57pm
                       :D NecromancerRising 317 0 Sun, 10:28pm
               Collapse The predictable NecromancerRising 302 5 Sun, 9:55pm
                   Collapse I wasn't responding to you. Glorfindela 285 2 Sun, 10:00pm
                       Collapse I know you weren't NecromancerRising 285 1 Sun, 10:02pm
                           What on Earth are you talking about again? Glorfindela 338 0 Sun, 10:14pm
                   Collapse Yes Adanel 280 1 Sun, 10:10pm
                       You are welcome! NecromancerRising 324 0 Sun, 10:24pm
       Box-office drop-off is normal with sequels. Otaku-sempai 196 0 Mon, 3:31pm
       There will always be prequels, sequels, reboots, etc. tsmith675 70 0 Mon, 10:39pm
       As long as movies make money. the studios don't care if they are prequels, sequels or reboots. Noria 46 0 Tue, 1:46pm
       Well, if nothing else Hamfast Gamgee 24 0 Tue, 10:58pm

  Collapse After further review, it just doesn't make sense HeWhoArisesinMight 1605 52 Apr 20, 12:01am Jump to last post in thread (by TnuaccayM)
       your first point MouthofSauron 782 0 Apr 20, 2:05am
       re: ghost_matt 709 0 Apr 20, 2:46am
       About Smaug, Ataahua 707 0 Apr 20, 2:56am
       Collapse Movie reasons Elizabeth 687 27 Sun, 4:45am
           Collapse Yes, the rationales are sort of thin and stretched... Morthoron 422 26 Sun, 5:40pm
             Collapse Not just house pets BlackFox 390 1 Sun, 6:04pm
                   Also shadowdog 332 0 Sun, 8:20pm
               Collapse You're calling The Hobbit movies cartoonish? Annatar598 324 12 Sun, 8:34pm
                   Collapse Yes, I am calling the movies cartoonish.... Morthoron 328 11 Sun, 10:33pm
                       Collapse What padding? Annatar598 315 10 Sun, 10:46pm
                           Collapse Shall we get you a nurse for your oncoming stroke? Morthoron 295 9 Sun, 11:19pm
                               Collapse Your logic interests me. Name 273 8 Mon, 12:02am
                                   Collapse Who ever said there wasn't padding or unnecessary sequences... Morthoron 266 7 Mon, 12:17am
                                       Collapse You clearly misunderstand my point. Name 259 6 Mon, 1:27am
                                           Collapse Agree. Imladris18 190 5 Mon, 1:28pm
                                               Collapse Certainly for me Glorfindela 185 4 Mon, 1:53pm
                                                   Collapse Although...... Name 179 3 Mon, 2:07pm
                                                       Collapse Name: Glorfindela 154 2 Mon, 2:53pm
                                                           Collapse Don't get me wrong Name 139 1 Mon, 4:02pm
                                                               I understand Glorfindela 137 0 Mon, 4:04pm
               Alas, quite a few audience members really can't follow complicated plots Elarie 308 0 Sun, 9:18pm
               Collapse Now,listen to me carefully. NecromancerRising 322 9 Sun, 9:21pm
                   Did you forget about Escapist 296 0 Sun, 9:28pm
                   Collapse I wish! KW 329 6 Sun, 9:49pm
                       Collapse And Jackson has proved NecromancerRising 366 5 Sun, 10:01pm
                           No and no. KW 316 0 Sun, 10:48pm
                           Collapse It's Coen Magpie 303 3 Sun, 11:04pm
                               Collapse Right! NecromancerRising 294 2 Sun, 11:10pm
                                   Collapse it only takes a moment... Magpie 298 1 Sun, 11:16pm
                                       Really? NecromancerRising 293 0 Sun, 11:21pm
                 --> Personal comments removed from this sub-thread Altaira 243 0 Mon, 4:26am
       Collapse He took the ring off becuase Smaug sensed it patrickk 639 1 Sun, 5:29am
           Tolkien fans are not immature HeWhoArisesinMight 324 0 Sun, 10:31pm
       Game of Thrones relies on misery, bloodshed and death Annatar598 656 0 Sun, 6:34am
       Collapse Why so grudging about enjoying it? dormouse 650 6 Sun, 7:24am
           Dormouse, NecromancerRising 617 0 Sun, 7:47am
           Collapse Dormouse, you could never have put it better! Annatar598 503 1 Sun, 1:24pm
               Totally off topic, but I just want to put my opinion in here. tsmith675 465 0 Sun, 3:18pm
           well said, Dormouse - agree! Avandel 496 0 Sun, 1:27pm
           Collapse A voice of reason.... MasterOrc 506 1 Sun, 1:47pm
               I totally agree with this sentiment Glorfindela 425 0 Sun, 4:50pm
       My take on it CathrineB 557 0 Sun, 10:01am
       For your first question, I think it should be "Why did Bilbo not put the Ring on sooner when confronted by Smaug?" FaramirAndEowynMorningStar 460 0 Sun, 2:50pm
       I found the dwarves vs. Smaug fight interesting in another way Elarie 467 0 Sun, 3:28pm
       Collapse Makes sense to me Darkstone 124 1 Mon, 5:57pm
           Attempting to defeat Smaug... glor 83 0 Mon, 9:31pm
       Collapse Smaug needed to have good reason to be angry TnuaccayM 83 4 Mon, 10:04pm
           Smaug and the Dwarves Kilidoescartwheels 72 0 Mon, 10:23pm
           Collapse You completely misunderstood Smaug... Morthoron 59 2 Tue, 2:28am
               Thorin's last stand MouthofSauron 63 0 Tue, 4:03am
               To read it and to see it are different things. TnuaccayM 46 0 Tue, 12:22pm
       Your last point Bernhardina 54 0 Tue, 10:55am

  Collapse Thread Locked Peter Hambleton interview with one small spoiler Beorn's Bees 650 2 Apr 19, 10:54pm Jump to last post in thread (by Ataahua)
       Thread Locked Hmm that could be interesting. tsmith675 299 0 Apr 20, 12:08am
       Thread Locked I'll link you to the original thread on Main Ataahua 233 0 Apr 20, 2:54am

  Collapse Chapter of the Week: Bilbo's Mercy Starglass 282 11 Apr 19, 5:02pm Jump to last post in thread (by Kim)
       Collapse My thoughts... pettytyrant101 150 1 Apr 19, 5:50pm
           Thanks for sharing pettytyrant101! Starglass 41 0 Mon, 4:50pm
       Collapse "True courage is about knowing not when to take a life, but when to spare one." BlackFox 144 2 Apr 19, 7:15pm
           Collapse Perfect pictures! Starglass 49 1 Mon, 4:54pm
               I'm glad you like them! ;) // BlackFox 35 0 Mon, 6:14pm
       Collapse Poor Gollum Kim 116 3 Apr 19, 10:19pm
           Bilbo calling to Gandalf Riven Delve 62 0 Sun, 9:11pm
           Collapse Thanks Kim! Starglass 44 1 Mon, 4:58pm
               Thanks Kim 26 0 Mon, 10:12pm
       Collapse Bilbo's mercy Riven Delve 67 1 Sun, 9:07pm
           Thanks for sharing! Starglass 41 0 Mon, 5:06pm

  Collapse BoFA arsenal (What can we expect?) Lurker in the Mirk 586 17 Apr 19, 3:15pm Jump to last post in thread (by Lurker in the Mirk)
       Collapse Some engines were built in the field SirDennisC 317 3 Apr 19, 4:16pm
           Collapse Would ladders and rams be useful? Lurker in the Mirk 136 2 Sun, 1:14pm
               Collapse It's noteworthy -- SirDennisC 92 1 Sun, 6:07pm
                   Drama Lurker in the Mirk 68 0 Mon, 3:31am
       Collapse Not sure. Name 282 3 Apr 19, 5:08pm
           Collapse Love your footer! BlackFox 266 1 Apr 19, 5:17pm
               Haha thanks! Name 253 0 Apr 19, 5:23pm
           Right on! Lurker in the Mirk 127 0 Sun, 1:19pm
       Collapse Perhaps some type of orc ballista against the eagles? Arandir 245 1 Apr 19, 7:21pm
           Sounds cool Lurker in the Mirk 132 0 Sun, 1:24pm
       Collapse Dain's Dwarves Otaku-sempai 242 3 Apr 19, 8:13pm
           Collapse He did indeed. Lurker in the Mirk 133 2 Sun, 1:31pm
               Collapse The Dwarven shields were an important detail. Otaku-sempai 125 1 Sun, 1:43pm
                   Ah, thanks Lurker in the Mirk 110 0 Sun, 2:32pm
       Collapse i really want to see a orc/goblin alliance/army MouthofSauron 221 1 Apr 19, 8:53pm
           Hmmm Lurker in the Mirk 24 0 Tue, 8:21am
       Some information on the arsenal packed by members of Thorin's party Lurker in the Mirk 26 0 Tue, 8:28am

  Collapse When will we get the first TABA poster? TheImaginator 392 2 Apr 19, 1:38pm Jump to last post in thread (by Arandir)
       June 10th for DoS tsmith675 226 0 Apr 19, 1:41pm
       With the teaser trailer Arandir 150 0 Apr 19, 7:14pm

  Collapse How this for a TABA poster? boldog 588 5 Apr 19, 9:49am Jump to last post in thread (by tsmith675)
       A bit too "crowded" for my taste, but, yes, why not? // BlackFox 159 0 Apr 19, 2:43pm
       I'd rather focus on Bilbo..... dormouse 164 0 Apr 19, 3:11pm
       I like it KingTurgon 117 0 Apr 19, 5:33pm
       Collapse As I've said before here Arandir 119 1 Apr 19, 7:28pm
           Great observations! tsmith675 98 0 Apr 19, 8:05pm

  Collapse Will we see Azogs head on a stake? boldog 412 9 Apr 19, 8:38am Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)
       Probably not. Otaku-sempai 196 0 Apr 19, 12:47pm
       Collapse Yes! And... tsmith675 180 1 Apr 19, 1:40pm
           Lol MouthofSauron 88 0 Apr 19, 7:45pm
       Collapse Shouldn't think so... dormouse 158 3 Apr 19, 3:12pm
           Collapse Putting someone's Head on a Stake? Bombadil 135 2 Apr 19, 4:48pm
               Well Name 123 0 Apr 19, 5:16pm
               Beorn Otaku-sempai 87 0 Apr 19, 8:16pm
       Collapse Why wouldn't they overlook something that happened in the books? Salmacis81 118 1 Apr 19, 6:31pm
           Azog does the defiling off-screen BlackFox 103 0 Apr 19, 7:35pm

  Collapse A random thought boldog 341 4 Apr 19, 8:35am Jump to last post in thread (by Salmacis81)
       Collapse Sounds like a story for au fanfic to me! Hamfast Gamgee 164 1 Apr 19, 8:40am
           I don't even think he could become a mini-Saruman... Salmacis81 77 0 Apr 19, 6:11pm
       My guess is that he would return it to his master BlackFox 87 0 Apr 19, 5:14pm
       Azog is just an Orc... Salmacis81 84 0 Apr 19, 6:08pm

  Collapse an interesting observation from the LEGO Hobbit videogame ghost_matt 745 12 Apr 19, 3:54am Jump to last post in thread (by Imladris18)
       Collapse well deskp 366 7 Apr 19, 4:12am
           Collapse i dont have the game NoelGallagher 310 5 Apr 19, 7:10am
               Collapse it's just filler gameplay. deskp 313 4 Apr 19, 7:12am
                   Actually I almost prefer this version to the cinematic one Lieutenant of Dol Guldur 259 0 Apr 19, 9:52am
                   Collapse It's not filler ghost_matt 178 2 Apr 19, 3:22pm
                       Collapse curious NoelGallagher 156 1 Apr 19, 4:04pm
                           re: ghost_matt 140 0 Apr 19, 5:06pm
           Goblins on the Prowl Otaku-sempai 208 0 Apr 19, 12:52pm
       Hence "The High Fells OF RHUDAUR!" Bofur01 301 0 Apr 19, 7:41am
       I never thought they actually changed the location. tsmith675 197 0 Apr 19, 1:53pm
       Collapse Well Name 142 1 Apr 19, 5:13pm
           I think this is a strong point. Imladris18 36 0 Mon, 1:32pm

  Collapse Unavoidable plot hole?? MouthofSauron 1753 75 Apr 19, 1:27am Jump to last post in thread (by Eleniel)
       Collapse I've always thought that was a weakness in the book. Ataahua 897 19 Apr 19, 1:34am
           Collapse well it was one thing in the book because in the book... MouthofSauron 880 12 Apr 19, 1:43am
               Collapse Saruman Mooseboy018 815 11 Apr 19, 1:48am
                   Collapse "suspect"? MouthofSauron 739 10 Apr 19, 1:53am
                       Collapse . Faleel 675 8 Apr 19, 1:54am
                           Collapse so than throw it in the fire to make sure its not the one ring since you just MouthofSauron 708 2 Apr 19, 1:56am
                               Collapse He doesn't know about the ring's fire property... QuackingTroll 402 1 Apr 19, 11:22am
                                 Ditto!... Rightly said..Topic Answer izz in QTz response/Topic Closed?/ / Bombadil 368 0 Apr 19, 12:12pm
                           Collapse Yes shadowdog 318 4 Apr 19, 2:56pm
                               Collapse 60 years is a long time to figure this out.. MouthofSauron 306 3 Apr 19, 5:14pm
                                 Collapse Or... BlackFox 286 1 Apr 19, 5:21pm
                                       Lol MouthofSauron 242 0 Apr 19, 5:48pm
                                   That is assuming shadowdog 239 0 Apr 19, 7:39pm
                       Gandalf doesn't yet know to throw it in the fire. . . Shadow&Flame 617 0 Apr 19, 2:10am
           Collapse His Faleel 628 3 Apr 19, 1:46am
               Collapse haha true but... MouthofSauron 602 2 Apr 19, 1:50am
                   Collapse The Lord Of The Rings is The One Ring simplyaven 584 1 Apr 19, 2:12am
                       i suppose its all about interpretation MouthofSauron 518 0 Apr 19, 3:32am
           Possibly Hamfast Gamgee 334 0 Apr 19, 8:38am
           I don't think Gandalf is dim or timid Kristin Thompson 188 0 Apr 19, 11:48pm
       Saruman Faleel 606 0 Apr 19, 1:45am
       Collapse "There are many magic rings in this world and none of them should be used lightly!" tsmith675 614 28 Apr 19, 2:28am
           it wouldn't be fresh in his mind? MouthofSauron 518 0 Apr 19, 3:34am
           Collapse what bothered me, especially in the books Cirashala 539 26 Apr 19, 5:20am
               I thought the same thing! This is one of the changes I like in the movies// Nira 497 0 Apr 19, 5:28am
               Collapse 60 years!! MouthofSauron 488 2 Apr 19, 5:32am
                   Collapse I think Cirashala 470 1 Apr 19, 6:03am
                       it should be interesting to see how PJ handles this in TABA or MouthofSauron 453 0 Apr 19, 6:42am
               Collapse Part of the 17 years was spent searching for Gollum.... Eleniel 456 1 Apr 19, 6:46am
                   Ok that makes a little more sense Cirashala 437 0 Apr 19, 6:59am
               Gandalf checked in on Frodo several times (in the book) Otaku-sempai 286 0 Apr 19, 1:08pm
               Collapse Best if PJ blames it on Saruman's silver tongue... dreamflower 160 18 Mon, 1:14pm
                   Collapse I kinda like that idea, but... Rembrethil 137 17 Mon, 4:53pm
                       Collapse But don't forget "The Voice" dreamflower 119 7 Mon, 8:37pm
                           Collapse valid point! MouthofSauron 101 3 Tue, 2:05am
                               Collapse Maybe, the films very well could diverge from the books... Rembrethil 65 2 Tue, 1:39pm
                                   Collapse Maybe, the films very well could diverge from the books? dreamflower 62 1 Tue, 2:01pm
                                       Sorry. That was supposed to be a full-stop Rembrethil 54 0 Tue, 2:18pm
                           Collapse Perhaps... Rembrethil 95 2 Tue, 3:42am
                               Collapse Hard to say dreamflower 68 1 Tue, 12:46pm
                                   A point from the books... Rembrethil 62 0 Tue, 1:36pm
                       Collapse right but... MouthofSauron 100 8 Tue, 2:07am
                           Collapse I seem to be fuzzy on that detail..... Rembrethil 93 6 Tue, 3:52am
                               Collapse You are correct that Saruman did not look into the Palantir... Eleniel 86 5 Tue, 6:40am
                                   Collapse It would seem that Saruman was never quite White... Rembrethil 64 4 Tue, 1:33pm
                                       Collapse Yep, he was annoyed by the fact that Varda said Eleniel 48 3 Tue, 2:57pm
                                           Collapse Yes! Rembrethil 37 2 Tue, 3:41pm
                                               Collapse Frodo insists Saruman was not evil in he beginning... Eleniel 19 1 Wed, 6:53am
                                                   A couple of interesting essays by Michael Martinez considers whether it was Saruman's own flaws... Eleniel 19 0 Wed, 8:27am
                           Saruman was unaware... dreamflower 75 0 Tue, 12:27pm
       Collapse Good point! I had not thought of it before. Nira 485 1 Apr 19, 5:25am
           its a huge gaping plot hole MouthofSauron 490 0 Apr 19, 5:30am
       Collapse If we think about it too much ... DanielLB 440 2 Apr 19, 7:16am
           Collapse "What about that ring of yours?" -Gandalf to Bilbo FOTR MouthofSauron 376 1 Apr 19, 7:32am
               "What about that ring of yours?" - When did Bilbo tell Gandalf? DanielLB 356 0 Apr 19, 7:54am
       Collapse Real life is full of so-called 'plot holes'..... dormouse 363 1 Apr 19, 8:04am
           Hear! Hear! BlackFox 320 0 Apr 19, 9:06am
       There are other magic rings besides the rings of power Elarie 282 0 Apr 19, 2:18pm
       Well Name 235 0 Apr 19, 5:20pm
       Collapse There is no plot hole Bumblingidiot 195 7 Apr 19, 11:34pm
           Collapse Saruman tells Gandalf in AUJ MouthofSauron 187 6 Apr 20, 1:59am
               Collapse True shadowdog 167 3 Apr 20, 2:49am
                   Collapse so he assumes it was Thrain's? MouthofSauron 112 2 Sun, 7:46pm
                       Collapse Not necessarily shadowdog 99 1 Sun, 8:08pm
                           but again.. MouthofSauron 89 0 Sun, 10:09pm
               However... Otaku-sempai 125 0 Sun, 2:42pm
               He tells him it's lost out to sea. Bumblingidiot 160 0 Mon, 10:30am
       Collapse This doesn't seem like a plot-hole in the text; Escapist 97 3 Sun, 10:14pm
           Collapse possibly would work MouthofSauron 85 2 Sun, 10:17pm
               Collapse Ringlore is not Gandalf's "area of expertise" Escapist 184 1 Sun, 10:22pm
                   right but we know Gandalf knows where the history books are MouthofSauron 179 0 Sun, 10:24pm
       Collapse What I have find to be a BIGGER plot hole... MorgolKing 196 3 Mon, 1:25pm
           Hmmm Name 166 0 Mon, 2:39pm
           Collapse The Ring is not fully awake. Otaku-sempai 158 1 Mon, 3:46pm
               Interesting... MorgolKing 151 0 Mon, 4:41pm
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