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  Expand entire thread Sticky: General notice re book discussions and the use of copyrighted materials Ataahua 70568 1 Jun 20 2007, 12:34pm Jump to last post in thread (by Wynnie)

  Sticky: Thread Locked Welcome to the Reading Room (-->Including links to old RR discussions!) Altaira 67493 0 Dec 28 2006, 3:11am Jump to last post in thread (by Altaira)

Sticky: How Best to Contact an Admin for Help Kyriel 59887 0 Mar 31 2009, 10:44pm Jump to last post in thread (by Kyriel)

  Expand entire thread Silmarilion Discussion: Chapter 16 -- "Of Maeglin" Maciliel 30537 380 Jun 16 2013, 10:27am Jump to last post in thread (by noWizardme)

  Expand entire thread Silmarillion Discussion, Chapter 19: Of Beren and Luthien: Love, etc. CuriousG 42773 343 Jul 8 2013, 8:00pm Jump to last post in thread (by Brethil)

  Collapse LOTR Unofficial Read Through - The Two Towers Eruonen 6263 322 Jun 19 2017, 3:38pm Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)
       Collapse The Departure of Boromir Eruonen 5887 72 Jun 19 2017, 5:32pm
           Collapse Aragorn at a loss noWizardme 5848 71 Jun 20 2017, 8:40am
               Collapse Yes, thank you and all good points. Eruonen 5829 70 Jun 20 2017, 9:07pm
                   Collapse The Riders of Rohan Eruonen 5810 69 Jun 21 2017, 2:06am
                       Collapse As the companions are on the chase Eruonen 5782 68 Jun 21 2017, 2:47pm
                           Eomer and the fantastic three have a longer dialogue than I recalled Eruonen 5753 0 Jun 22 2017, 4:12am
                           Collapse binding noWizardme 5734 66 Jun 22 2017, 11:57am
                               Collapse That also explains why The Ring does not work as well on some Eruonen 5721 64 Jun 22 2017, 1:55pm
                                   Collapse So what chapter are you on? Kilidoescartwheels 5703 63 Jun 22 2017, 3:49pm
                                       Collapse The Uruk Hai Eruonen 5700 62 Jun 22 2017, 4:52pm
                                           Collapse Orcs are not stupid dumb automatons Eruonen 5689 61 Jun 22 2017, 6:13pm
                                               Collapse "Apes" Eruonen 5667 60 Jun 22 2017, 8:41pm
                                                   Collapse Orcs and Apes Otaku-sempai 5659 59 Jun 22 2017, 9:32pm
                                                       Collapse Ah, who knows what kind of twisted cross species experimentation Eruonen 5648 58 Jun 23 2017, 1:00am
                                                           Collapse A great pleasure for me on this read through is re-discovering dialogue and even Eruonen 5650 57 Jun 23 2017, 1:57am
                                                               Collapse Wow Eruonen, I didn't notice the heavenly reference before Ithilisa 5623 56 Jun 23 2017, 4:36am
                                                                   Collapse I infer that - yes. However, some may infer other watchful eyes too that could have seen the Eruonen 5570 55 Jun 23 2017, 1:53pm
                                                                       Collapse "...seen by many watchful eyes." Otaku-sempai 5557 53 Jun 23 2017, 2:57pm
                                                                           Collapse Yes, but no spies saw it. Eruonen 5547 52 Jun 23 2017, 4:22pm
                                                                               Possibly not. Otaku-sempai 5541 0 Jun 23 2017, 4:30pm
                                                                               Collapse Tolkien the philologist shows up - Eruonen 3720 50 Jun 23 2017, 4:35pm
  Collapse The Power of Names Otaku-sempai 3703 49 Jun 23 2017, 6:00pm
       Collapse Treebears certainly is wary of revealing his True Name and is cautious about it. Eruonen 3700 48 Jun 23 2017, 6:47pm
           Collapse True. Otaku-sempai 3696 47 Jun 23 2017, 7:20pm
               Collapse He does list bears on his list of creatures he was taught in Ent school. Eruonen 3685 46 Jun 23 2017, 8:14pm
                   Collapse Some more key tidbits in this chapter Eruonen 3661 45 Jun 24 2017, 9:02pm
                       Collapse The White Rider Eruonen 3638 44 Jun 26 2017, 1:01am
                           Collapse A couple of stand out statements by Gandalf Eruonen 3632 43 Jun 26 2017, 1:54am
                               Collapse win the war, lose the point of having won noWizardme 3608 42 Jun 26 2017, 10:01am
                                   Collapse The only real power, besides invisibility, of the The One Ring is the ability to control others - Eruonen 3598 41 Jun 26 2017, 2:05pm
                                       Collapse Reading Gandalf's account of his Balrog battle is interesting Eruonen 3576 40 Jun 26 2017, 5:53pm
                                           Collapse Gandalf "bent his thought" to communicate with Shadowfax Eruonen 3571 39 Jun 26 2017, 6:41pm
                                             Collapse Bent Thought Inc. - my band at college :) noWizardme 3549 38 Jun 26 2017, 9:13pm
                                                   Collapse The King of the Golden Hall Eruonen 3526 37 Jun 27 2017, 3:00am
                                                       Collapse So, the company arrive and present themselves to Theoden Eruonen 3513 36 Jun 27 2017, 6:51pm
                                                           Collapse Brad Dourif was perfectly cast as Grima Wormtongue. Eruonen 3449 33 Jun 28 2017, 2:18pm
                                                               Collapse Mostly Otaku-sempai 3420 32 Jun 28 2017, 8:25pm
                                                                   Collapse Well, there are always coloring exceptions in populations and we don't really Eruonen 3410 31 Jun 28 2017, 8:37pm
                                                                       Collapse Grima should not look like a villain squire 3407 30 Jun 28 2017, 9:06pm
                                                                           Collapse Sounds rather snake / lizard like to me..... Eruonen 3399 29 Jun 28 2017, 9:25pm
                                                                               Collapse A reptilian looker Eruonen 3397 28 Jun 28 2017, 9:45pm
  Collapse But do you like that interpretation? squire 3395 27 Jun 28 2017, 10:23pm
       Collapse I think that the book suggests something in between. Eruonen 3389 26 Jun 28 2017, 10:29pm
           Collapse The details of the flight from Edoras and the Helm's Deep events do take Eruonen 4075 25 Jun 29 2017, 5:54pm
               Collapse Gimli says something in the book that seems a bit out of character Eruonen 4074 24 Jun 29 2017, 6:43pm
                   Collapse Orcs are generally much shorter than Men squire 4063 20 Jun 29 2017, 7:49pm
                       Collapse Take them out at the knees! ;) Eruonen 4061 19 Jun 29 2017, 8:31pm
                           Collapse Does Gimli ever fight an army of trolls? squire 4057 18 Jun 29 2017, 10:48pm
                               Collapse Dwarves have had to fight all kinds of foes - dragons, orcs, trolls and even Elves Eruonen 4054 16 Jun 29 2017, 11:02pm
                                   Collapse Did J. R. R. Tolkien even write 'The Sack of Doriath'? squire 4052 15 Jun 29 2017, 11:58pm
                                       Yes Eruonen 4030 0 Jun 30 2017, 3:34am
                                       Collapse I think your point is valid, in that situation, he felt he was more value Eruonen 4028 7 Jun 30 2017, 3:36am
                                           Collapse A few more differences noted between book and movie Eruonen 4027 6 Jun 30 2017, 3:44am
                                               Collapse The Road to Isengard Eruonen 4001 4 Jun 30 2017, 5:58pm
                                                   The Hourn forest must have left much of Fangorn uprooted and open Eruonen 3994 0 Jun 30 2017, 6:07pm
                                                   Collapse Cheddar Caverns, perhaps? squire 4001 2 Jun 30 2017, 7:11pm
                                                       Collapse Kimi gave chapter and verse... FarFromHome 3996 1 Jun 30 2017, 7:22pm
                                                           Ah, good. Notice how that formation in the back looks dwarf like? Eruonen 3987 0 Jun 30 2017, 8:38pm
                                               Blasting fire Kilidoescartwheels 2937 0 Jul 13 2017, 4:35pm
                                       Collapse No? Maybe? N.E. Brigand 3982 4 Jul 1 2017, 12:44am
                                           Collapse Well, I will have to go back read up on that chapter, I assume it was based on Eruonen 3965 3 Jul 1 2017, 2:40am
                                               Collapse The chapter ends and the movie stayed pretty close to the greeting at Isengard Eruonen 3924 2 Jul 1 2017, 8:08pm
                                                   Collapse Flotsam and Jetsom Eruonen 3883 1 Jul 2 2017, 5:21am
                                                       The Voice of Saruman Eruonen 3846 0 Jul 3 2017, 3:29pm
                                       "Of the Ruin of Doriath" Otaku-sempai 3830 0 Jul 3 2017, 8:43pm
                               Obviously. Darkstone 2932 0 Jul 13 2017, 6:11pm
                   For Gimli battle is a sporting contest FarFromHome 4020 0 Jun 30 2017, 11:10am
                   I didn't take it that way Kilidoescartwheels 2941 0 Jul 13 2017, 4:31pm
                   He's yanking Eomer's chain. Darkstone 2940 0 Jul 13 2017, 5:55pm
                                                           Collapse That was one of Gandalf's purely wizardly moments. CuriousG 3380 1 Jun 29 2017, 11:37am
                                                               The Illness of King Théoden Otaku-sempai 3370 0 Jun 29 2017, 1:24pm
                                                                       Treebeard Eruonen 5552 0 Jun 23 2017, 4:21pm
                               Gimli Kilidoescartwheels 5709 0 Jun 22 2017, 3:48pm
       Collapse Trying to read TTT myself Kilidoescartwheels 5870 1 Jun 19 2017, 8:05pm
           Sounds good - we move fairly quickly. Eruonen 5861 0 Jun 19 2017, 8:20pm
       Collapse Nice to see having at least one book discussion only taking up one thread Hamfast Gamgee 3777 243 Jul 4 2017, 11:43pm
           Collapse It was my intention to post a more simplified, faster paced continuous Eruonen 3769 21 Jul 5 2017, 3:31am
               Collapse The Palantir Eruonen 3765 20 Jul 5 2017, 3:41am
                   Collapse The Seeing-stone of Osgiliath Otaku-sempai 3006 19 Jul 5 2017, 1:58pm
                       Collapse In the films, do we even know if Sauron has a palantir, much less which one? squire 2990 18 Jul 5 2017, 5:21pm
                           Collapse Sauron and the palantíri Otaku-sempai 2982 1 Jul 5 2017, 6:00pm
                               Assumptions squire 2960 0 Jul 5 2017, 6:37pm
                           Collapse I do understand your point, Squire Otaku-sempai 2964 2 Jul 5 2017, 6:24pm
                               Collapse Cross post squire 2964 1 Jul 5 2017, 6:46pm
                                   Of course. Otaku-sempai 2957 0 Jul 5 2017, 7:52pm
                           Collapse "They are not all accounted for, the lost Seeing Stones." FarFromHome 2962 11 Jul 5 2017, 7:46pm
                               My mistake squire 2955 0 Jul 5 2017, 8:22pm
                               Collapse I inferred the same thing (which is also based on what we know from the book) Eruonen 2927 9 Jul 6 2017, 2:20am
                                   Collapse The Taming of Smeagol Eruonen 2906 8 Jul 6 2017, 5:00am
                                       We get an interesting an important insight into Frodo's state of mind here noWizardme 2879 0 Jul 6 2017, 12:04pm
                                       Collapse I don't think "you old ass" is actually harsh .... FarFromHome 2884 6 Jul 6 2017, 12:08pm
                                           I agree.... Eruonen 2863 0 Jul 6 2017, 3:25pm
                                           Collapse Just to mention sador 2798 4 Jul 14 2017, 11:22am
                                               Collapse Thanks sador! FarFromHome 2716 3 Jul 14 2017, 2:03pm
                                                   I'm pretty sure that... noWizardme 2714 0 Jul 14 2017, 2:26pm
                                                   "Ass" seems to be the favorite derogatory term Eruonen 2705 0 Jul 14 2017, 3:06pm
                                                   Thank you, and nowiz sador 2471 0 Jul 16 2017, 3:03pm
                           Well Darkstone 2942 0 Jul 5 2017, 10:56pm
           Collapse The palantiri mystery on first read CuriousG 2923 218 Jul 6 2017, 2:46am
               Collapse The Palantiri would appear to have been a mystery to their author too! noWizardme 2887 217 Jul 6 2017, 10:27am
                   This is another example of what I brought up in another thread earlier this year - Eruonen 2865 0 Jul 6 2017, 3:36pm
                   Collapse Palantiri popping out of nowhere, just like Faramir CuriousG 2824 215 Jul 7 2017, 2:27pm
                       Collapse "The book is the boss" Alfred Bester noWizardme 2818 214 Jul 7 2017, 3:45pm
                           Collapse Exactly, which is what explains some of Tolkien's interesting comments. Eruonen 2810 212 Jul 7 2017, 4:40pm
                               Collapse The Passage of the Dead Marshes Eruonen 2801 211 Jul 7 2017, 6:05pm
                                   Collapse The Black Gate is Closed Eruonen 3274 209 Jul 9 2017, 3:56pm
                                       Frodo's willingness to march straight up to the gate is interesting noWizardme 3264 0 Jul 9 2017, 7:11pm
                                       Collapse The flying Nazgul brought to mind an image of Eruonen 3233 207 Jul 10 2017, 5:45pm
                                           Collapse Hmmmm... Darkstone 3218 206 Jul 10 2017, 7:16pm
                                               Collapse Yes, Stuka scream when diving would be like the winged beast scream. Eruonen 3202 205 Jul 10 2017, 8:44pm
                                                   Collapse Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbits Eruonen 3111 204 Jul 12 2017, 12:53am
                                                       Collapse Another informative line Eruonen 3106 203 Jul 12 2017, 1:10am
                                                           Dunedain of the South Eruonen 3104 0 Jul 12 2017, 1:31am
                                                           Collapse "Tolkien must have been hungry the day he wrote these pages." noWizardme 3073 201 Jul 12 2017, 6:07am
                                                               Collapse I suppose they used local fresh water fish - common where I live Eruonen 3042 197 Jul 12 2017, 1:49pm
                                                                   Collapse Faramir....book and movie versions Eruonen 2991 194 Jul 13 2017, 12:53am
                                                                       Collapse What is this 'realism' of which you speak? squire 2987 107 Jul 13 2017, 1:45am
                                                                           Collapse Not meant as a goal for Tolkien's characters, rather just a "realistic" Eruonen 2979 106 Jul 13 2017, 2:25am
                                                                               "Faramir realism problems" are something the scriptwriters gave themselves, I think noWizardme 2949 0 Jul 13 2017, 3:02pm
                                                                               Collapse Realism vs trusting intuition CuriousG 2894 104 Jul 13 2017, 11:30pm
  Collapse Book Faramir makes me think of Errol Flynn Eruonen 2890 103 Jul 13 2017, 11:50pm
       Collapse The Window On The West Eruonen 2887 102 Jul 14 2017, 3:16am
           Collapse Compared to the Window on the East squire 2466 1 Jul 16 2017, 4:07pm
               The other regions of Gondor would have westerly views Eruonen 2450 0 Jul 16 2017, 4:57pm
           Collapse So what were the shards of Narsil? Kilidoescartwheels 2174 99 Jul 18 2017, 4:27pm
               For Tolkien, it was a pre-Christian world, and it contained Eruonen 2361 0 Jul 18 2017, 4:51pm
               Collapse The Shards of Narsil Otaku-sempai 2330 52 Jul 18 2017, 10:07pm
                   Collapse For me, I agree the film portrayal is actually more satisfying. Eruonen 2318 10 Jul 18 2017, 10:44pm
                       Collapse The Sword that was Broken Otaku-sempai 2328 2 Jul 18 2017, 10:50pm
                           Collapse What? Not sure what your comment refers to. Eruonen 2305 1 Jul 18 2017, 11:03pm
                               The Shards Otaku-sempai 2272 0 Jul 19 2017, 12:17am
                       Collapse Would it make more sense if Aragorn had a real sword too? CuriousG 2292 6 Jul 18 2017, 11:36pm
                           Collapse It seems to me, that Tolkien was stuck a bit on the symbolism Eruonen 2267 5 Jul 19 2017, 12:24am
                               Collapse I think that's part of the magic of Tolkien's storytelling squire 2252 4 Jul 19 2017, 1:05am
                                   Collapse It is helpful to recall Aragorn's life in total - Eruonen 2242 1 Jul 19 2017, 1:42am
                                       Aragorn's Gear Otaku-sempai 2237 0 Jul 19 2017, 2:04am
                                   And the movie chooses its own symbollism here noWizardme 2190 0 Jul 19 2017, 10:01am
                                   Just to point out - sador 2345 0 Jul 20 2017, 1:48pm
                   Collapse "Seek for the Sword that was broken, in Imladris it dwells..." FarFromHome 2199 40 Jul 19 2017, 9:20am
                       Collapse I forgot that line too. Thanks for the reminder. It makes more sense now.// CuriousG 2191 37 Jul 19 2017, 9:39am
                           Collapse Where does Aragorn dwell, though? noWizardme 2199 36 Jul 19 2017, 10:21am
                               Collapse Well, yeah... FarFromHome 2493 2 Jul 19 2017, 11:41am
                                   Collapse Oh, you're probably right - as usual :) noWizardme 2478 1 Jul 19 2017, 1:40pm
                                       Don't apologize! ;) FarFromHome 2449 0 Jul 19 2017, 2:55pm
                               The only reference to where he dwells is on pg 261 The Council of Elrond Eruonen 2486 0 Jul 19 2017, 1:28pm
                             Collapse You're overlooking GPS, of course. CuriousG 2469 1 Jul 19 2017, 2:28pm
                                 But when you Ara-get-there, he's Aragorn... :) // noWizardme 2464 0 Jul 19 2017, 2:36pm
                               Collapse Fornost? Darkstone 2357 29 Jul 20 2017, 1:35pm
                                   Collapse But what of Boromir's Dream? Otaku-sempai 2139 26 Jul 20 2017, 2:02pm
                                       Collapse *sigh* Darkstone 2115 5 Jul 20 2017, 2:55pm
                                           Collapse "Seek for the Sword that was broken" Otaku-sempai 2162 4 Jul 20 2017, 7:18pm
                                               Collapse So Aragorn is broken? Darkstone 2152 3 Jul 20 2017, 7:56pm
                                                   Collapse Peter Jackson's Aragorn is a bit broken. Otaku-sempai 2143 2 Jul 20 2017, 8:19pm
                                                       Collapse Not broken, just incomplete. Darkstone 2124 1 Jul 20 2017, 8:38pm
                                                           Okay... Otaku-sempai 2114 0 Jul 20 2017, 9:25pm
                                       Collapse Aragorn hints at another "home" away from home (Rivendell) Eruonen 2113 19 Jul 20 2017, 2:55pm
                                           Collapse That was said as an answer to Boromir. sador 2111 7 Jul 20 2017, 3:05pm
                                               Collapse Pretty clear to me he is talking about a "home" even if it is small / not grand Eruonen 2107 5 Jul 20 2017, 3:10pm
                                                   Collapse Well Darkstone 2104 4 Jul 20 2017, 3:15pm
                                                       Collapse And it may mean in a broad sense, that "home in the north" refers to Eruonen 2100 3 Jul 20 2017, 3:50pm
                                                           Collapse Dunedain region Eruonen 2099 1 Jul 20 2017, 3:57pm
                                                               Good find! Darkstone 2094 0 Jul 20 2017, 4:01pm
                                                           Doomday Prepper Gardens? Darkstone 2094 0 Jul 20 2017, 4:00pm
                                               The Sword does come into Aragorn's reply to Boromir FarFromHome 2164 0 Jul 20 2017, 7:06pm
                                           Collapse Possibly Otaku-sempai 2161 10 Jul 20 2017, 7:31pm
                                               Collapse Aragorn was IN Rivendell when he spoke so Eruonen 2150 9 Jul 20 2017, 8:04pm
                                                   Collapse So it's like Reverend's astute argument about balrog wings! Darkstone 2145 3 Jul 20 2017, 8:13pm
                                                       Collapse I am not following you.... Eruonen 2142 2 Jul 20 2017, 8:21pm
                                                           Collapse I'm not leading. Darkstone 2129 1 Jul 20 2017, 8:40pm
                                                               Ok, I was not getting your analogy. Eruonen 2120 0 Jul 20 2017, 8:50pm
                                                   But he does say his "home, such as I have", is "here". FarFromHome 2134 0 Jul 20 2017, 8:25pm
                                                   Collapse Yes, that is one interpretation Otaku-sempai 2134 3 Jul 20 2017, 8:26pm
                                                       Collapse I am amazed, but then again, I should not be surprised at the various Eruonen 2127 2 Jul 20 2017, 8:40pm
                                                           No need to be amazed. Otaku-sempai 2113 0 Jul 20 2017, 9:30pm
                                                           I stopped being amazed a long time ago... FarFromHome 4524 0 Jul 21 2017, 3:52pm
                                   Collapse English kings and the Loire Valley FarFromHome 2117 1 Jul 20 2017, 9:21pm
                                       You got it! Darkstone 4556 0 Jul 20 2017, 9:36pm
                       Metaphorically speaking. Otaku-sempai 2468 0 Jul 19 2017, 2:40pm
                       But what does "dwell" mean? Darkstone 2110 0 Jul 20 2017, 3:08pm
               Collapse Religious ritual vs religious feeling FarFromHome 2483 44 Jul 19 2017, 1:34pm
                   Collapse Back to the Crossroads Eruonen 2477 42 Jul 19 2017, 1:47pm
                       Collapse The rest of the chapter is just scrambling, sleeping etc until the end Eruonen 2464 41 Jul 19 2017, 2:44pm
                           Collapse I like the flowers, even if the symbolism is as subtle as a sledgehammer CuriousG 2444 40 Jul 19 2017, 3:13pm
                               Collapse Yes, a small reminder and help to a flagging heart / spirit before plunging into the dark. Eruonen 2439 38 Jul 19 2017, 3:47pm
                                   Collapse The Tower of Cirith Ungol / & Minas Morgul Eruonen 2422 37 Jul 19 2017, 7:10pm
                                       Collapse The Rotating Spytarium and Fish N Chips Inn CuriousG 2390 36 Jul 20 2017, 2:28am
                                           Collapse Sauron is Big Brother? noWizardme 2357 35 Jul 20 2017, 10:45am
                                               Collapse "He had won the victory over himself. He loved [Sauron].” CuriousG 2353 34 Jul 20 2017, 12:54pm
                                                   Collapse But can an orc love anyone - even Sauron? noWizardme 2086 33 Jul 20 2017, 4:30pm
                                                       Collapse It seems that orcs are difficult to control - and need constant supervision with a very Eruonen 2083 31 Jul 20 2017, 4:39pm
                                                         Mordor c.f. other nasty places in literature - started a new thread noWizardme 2075 0 Jul 20 2017, 5:06pm
                                                           The Stairs of Cirith Ungol Eruonen 2070 0 Jul 20 2017, 5:20pm
                                                           Collapse "Death to the robbers of the North!" Darkstone 2067 23 Jul 20 2017, 5:45pm
                                                               Collapse It does make you wonder what the end game was for Sauron had he won. Eruonen 2068 22 Jul 20 2017, 6:00pm
                                                                   We have to consider that Eru allows all of this to happen as Eruonen 2062 0 Jul 20 2017, 6:17pm
                                                                   Collapse Well Darkstone 2122 5 Jul 20 2017, 9:01pm
                                                                       Collapse Another blank stare moment! ;) Eruonen 2121 3 Jul 20 2017, 9:14pm
                                                                           Sorry! Darkstone 2112 0 Jul 20 2017, 9:29pm
                                                                           Collapse This chapter - Shelob's Lair - has a large section of Eruonen 4525 1 Jul 21 2017, 2:25pm
                                                                               Discussion of Shelob in 'Shadow of War' video game Otaku-sempai 4273 0 Jul 24 2017, 8:17pm
                                                                     Underpants- collecting gnomes! noWizardme 4534 0 Jul 21 2017, 12:08pm
                                                                   Collapse Sauron isn't human FarFromHome 4520 14 Jul 21 2017, 3:46pm
                                                                       Collapse I think that is too simplistic a characterization Eruonen 4520 13 Jul 21 2017, 4:04pm
                                                                           Collapse Some images found that illustrate good/evil balance and how Eruonen 4516 12 Jul 21 2017, 4:14pm
                                                                               Collapse I think we spotted Melkor in his outer darkness Eruonen 4498 11 Jul 21 2017, 6:34pm
  Collapse The Choices of Master Samwise Eruonen 4496 10 Jul 21 2017, 6:54pm
       Collapse These choices noWizardme 4467 9 Jul 22 2017, 2:22pm
           Collapse I wonder if Sam's inner debate over what to do was possibly influenced Eruonen 4459 8 Jul 22 2017, 3:13pm
               Collapse "The answer came at once" - but from whom? noWizardme 4445 5 Jul 22 2017, 5:12pm
                   Collapse No vision for Sam in the movie FarFromHome 4443 4 Jul 22 2017, 6:17pm
                       Collapse Thanks for that! noWizardme 4445 3 Jul 22 2017, 6:47pm
                         It's okay. Nelson Mandela is alive & well in Barad-dur and about to be released. Your memory ain't all wrong. // CuriousG 4417 0 Jul 22 2017, 10:20pm
                           Collapse But you actually misremembered the film by following the book! sador 4343 1 Jul 23 2017, 1:46pm
                               No, it's all bad. squire 4344 0 Jul 23 2017, 2:04pm
               Collapse Silent Watcher alarm system Eruonen 4434 1 Jul 22 2017, 7:32pm
                   Frodo is taken and so ends The Second Part of The Lord of The Rings Eruonen 4433 0 Jul 22 2017, 7:35pm
                                                           Collapse Tolkien says that the Evil Men of the South and East were controlled by religious means squire 2061 4 Jul 20 2017, 6:21pm
                                                               Collapse Yes, men had been corrupted by Melkor / Morgoth Eruonen 2163 1 Jul 20 2017, 6:36pm
                                                                   Shelob's Lair.....the end of book two is in sight. Eruonen 2163 0 Jul 20 2017, 6:49pm
                                                               Collapse That's interesting FarFromHome 2159 1 Jul 20 2017, 7:16pm
                                                                   I didn't know the Romans did that squire 2162 0 Jul 20 2017, 7:24pm
                                                       Hmmmm.... Darkstone 2068 0 Jul 20 2017, 5:33pm
                               Just wait until they reach the Morgai... // sador 2108 0 Jul 20 2017, 3:00pm
                   Thanks! Kilidoescartwheels 2473 0 Jul 19 2017, 2:05pm
                                                                       Collapse Reluctant acceptance of movie-Faramir CuriousG 2903 85 Jul 13 2017, 11:19pm
                                                                           Collapse I've written about this several times. sador 2737 84 Jul 14 2017, 12:02pm
                                                                               Collapse Giving movie-Faramir his due FarFromHome 2725 83 Jul 14 2017, 2:23pm
  I like both theories, and think they can be combined, or enjoyed together noWizardme 2713 0 Jul 14 2017, 2:41pm
  Collapse Movie Faramir does redeem himself, he does eventually choose to let Frodo go Eruonen 2707 46 Jul 14 2017, 3:12pm
       Collapse Does anyone have any comment or observation on the Eruonen 2616 45 Jul 15 2017, 2:56pm
           Collapse I don't see it. Otaku-sempai 2594 43 Jul 15 2017, 8:19pm
               Collapse I am referring to the little ceremony before dinner - it certainly has the Eruonen 2583 42 Jul 15 2017, 9:56pm
                   Collapse Okay. Otaku-sempai 2580 41 Jul 15 2017, 10:03pm
                       Collapse Well, my post on the subject was the opening one for the chapter - anyway Eruonen 2571 40 Jul 15 2017, 11:10pm
                           Faramir's Númenórian Grace Otaku-sempai 2563 0 Jul 16 2017, 12:16am
                           Collapse Most of Tolkien's writing about Numenor came after LotR was published. sador 2470 38 Jul 16 2017, 3:33pm
                               Collapse He uses the word "pagan" which implies then an "orthodox" belief system of Eruonen 2462 37 Jul 16 2017, 4:16pm
                                   Collapse An artists interpretation of sunset over Minas Tirith Eruonen 2452 36 Jul 16 2017, 5:29pm
                                       Collapse That seems to be either sunrise or the red glow of Mt. Doom in Mordor - i.e., to the East squire 2457 8 Jul 16 2017, 5:39pm
                                           Collapse Agree, the view appears to be northwards so the glow is likely Eruonen 2433 1 Jul 16 2017, 6:11pm
                                               Sunset over Boulder, CO Eruonen 2424 0 Jul 16 2017, 6:32pm
                                           Collapse Not "site", "cite". // Darkstone 2412 5 Jul 16 2017, 7:35pm
                                               Sorry to be unclear. Site as in website, not cite as citation. squire 2411 0 Jul 16 2017, 7:46pm
                                               Collapse Different Conversation Otaku-sempai 2408 3 Jul 16 2017, 8:24pm
                                                   Collapse *sigh* Darkstone 2381 2 Jul 16 2017, 11:31pm
                                                       Collapse Sorry? Otaku-sempai 2459 1 Jul 17 2017, 3:10am
                                                           No worries? / Darkstone 2413 0 Jul 17 2017, 2:40pm
                                       Collapse This is what I imagine led Denethor, perhaps, to finally stop observing the Standing Silence... squire 2420 26 Jul 16 2017, 7:35pm
                                           Collapse Finally, a nice sunset shot for Minas Tirith Eruonen 2396 24 Jul 16 2017, 8:44pm
                                               Collapse It is interesting to see the two versions - book and movie Eruonen 2408 2 Jul 17 2017, 4:43pm
                                                   Collapse Dunno Darkstone 2368 1 Jul 17 2017, 9:20pm
                                                       I agree--movie comparisons can be helpful CuriousG 2357 0 Jul 17 2017, 10:17pm
                                               Collapse Quasi-religiosity and Frodo CuriousG 2368 20 Jul 17 2017, 8:39pm
                                                   Collapse One big difference is that the powers are known to exist and have some influence. Eruonen 2372 19 Jul 17 2017, 9:06pm
                                                       Collapse That's a key to the entire question of religion in Middle-earth squire 2362 9 Jul 17 2017, 9:50pm
                                                           Collapse Agree, and I think mankind is feeling rather adrift, alone, even abandoned Eruonen 2354 8 Jul 17 2017, 10:19pm
                                                               Collapse Your broader question intersects with that Mablung quote I brought up CuriousG 2342 7 Jul 17 2017, 10:35pm
                                                                   Collapse I think you answered your question with the feeling of near abandonment Eruonen 2307 6 Jul 18 2017, 12:29am
                                                                       Collapse The Forbidden Pool Eruonen 2193 5 Jul 18 2017, 2:33pm
                                                                           Collapse I had forgotten how much of a historian Faramir plays in the book. Eruonen 2182 1 Jul 18 2017, 3:22pm
                                                                               Faramir is almost a 2nd Council of Elrond in the info-dumping CuriousG 2337 0 Jul 18 2017, 9:01pm
                                                                           Collapse Frodo's choice & betrayal of Smeagol CuriousG 2338 2 Jul 18 2017, 9:04pm
                                                                               Collapse Well Darkstone 2334 1 Jul 18 2017, 9:25pm
  Frodo's "legal guardianship" CuriousG 2289 0 Jul 18 2017, 11:40pm
                                                       Collapse Thanks for making that distinction CuriousG 2350 1 Jul 17 2017, 10:27pm
                                                           Good points - Eruonen 2311 0 Jul 18 2017, 12:08am
                                                       Collapse History and faith FarFromHome 2184 6 Jul 18 2017, 3:30pm
                                                           I would argue that divine powers are present in ME Eruonen 2178 0 Jul 18 2017, 4:11pm
                                                           Collapse Yes Darkstone 2362 4 Jul 18 2017, 4:51pm
                                                               Collapse As far as I know, there is no prophecy for a future restoration of Numenor... Eruonen 2361 3 Jul 18 2017, 5:06pm
                                                                   Collapse The Journey To The Crossroads Eruonen 2333 2 Jul 18 2017, 9:33pm
                                                                       Collapse "a virtue has been set upon them of finding and returning" CuriousG 2283 1 Jul 18 2017, 11:48pm
                                                                           The "virtue" hints or should I say suggests some kind of "power" attached / inflused Eruonen 2260 0 Jul 19 2017, 12:34am
                                           I do not think he ever stop observing it. sador 2417 0 Jul 17 2017, 3:21pm
           In one of his Letters FarFromHome 2570 0 Jul 15 2017, 10:59pm
  Collapse Movie-Faramir claims the Ring not for Denethor, but for Boromir. Darkstone 2688 34 Jul 14 2017, 4:53pm
       Collapse Then in a way...revenge noWizardme 2681 2 Jul 14 2017, 5:38pm
           Collapse Or justice Darkstone 2677 1 Jul 14 2017, 5:56pm
               Yes! 'Justice' is better noWizardme 2675 0 Jul 14 2017, 6:32pm
       Collapse That is so right. FarFromHome 2674 30 Jul 14 2017, 7:07pm
           Yes Darkstone 2665 0 Jul 14 2017, 7:18pm
           Collapse Can't say I picked that up in the film I saw squire 2648 28 Jul 15 2017, 12:09am
               Collapse What do we know, and when do we know it? FarFromHome 2625 27 Jul 15 2017, 11:46am
                   Collapse I yam what I yam, as book-Faramir, I mean Popeye, said squire 2620 26 Jul 15 2017, 2:05pm
                       Collapse Bakshi Otaku-sempai 2615 23 Jul 15 2017, 2:19pm
                           Collapse Yes, only one Bakshi film squire 2617 22 Jul 15 2017, 2:52pm
                               Collapse By who? Otaku-sempai 2593 1 Jul 15 2017, 8:13pm
                                   I can't put my finger on it, so... squire 2579 0 Jul 15 2017, 10:15pm
                               That's not what was doing, and I think noibody else here. sador 2472 0 Jul 16 2017, 3:22pm
                               Collapse Cite please Darkstone 2455 18 Jul 16 2017, 5:31pm
                                   Collapse LOTR book and films are confused by scholars regularly. N.E. Brigand 2352 17 Jul 17 2017, 11:24pm
                                       Collapse So-called Scholars Otaku-sempai 2326 1 Jul 17 2017, 11:59pm
                                           Why not? sador 2288 0 Jul 18 2017, 3:20am
                                       Collapse But... Darkstone 2305 14 Jul 18 2017, 1:21am
                                           Collapse Yes. N.E. Brigand 2188 13 Jul 18 2017, 4:02pm
                                               Collapse Example. N.E. Brigand 2184 12 Jul 18 2017, 4:20pm
                                                   Collapse movie comparison, movie conflation noWizardme 2191 11 Jul 19 2017, 11:32am
                                                       Sauron as a disembodied eye. N.E. Brigand 2438 0 Jul 19 2017, 4:20pm
                                                       Collapse Conflation, or complete displacement? Film is hard to fight on its own terms, which are primarily visual squire 2437 9 Jul 19 2017, 5:34pm
                                                           Collapse One thing I have confirmed for myself is how Eruonen 2434 1 Jul 19 2017, 5:44pm
                                                               'Oh God, no more Elves.'" CuriousG 2393 0 Jul 20 2017, 2:17am
                                                           Collapse film-replacement? I agree, but how serious a problem? noWizardme 2364 2 Jul 20 2017, 9:41am
                                                               Collapse An argument as circular as the Ring itself squire 2356 1 Jul 20 2017, 12:15pm
                                                                   Perhaps "my point cannot be made...by any art that we here possess". :) noWizardme 2127 0 Jul 20 2017, 2:22pm
                                                           Collapse So why fight? FarFromHome 2108 3 Jul 20 2017, 3:28pm
                                                               Collapse Even then... Darkstone 2106 1 Jul 20 2017, 3:46pm
                                                                   Well at least.... noWizardme 2069 0 Jul 20 2017, 5:39pm
                                                               "the book is not attracting the kind of scholarly attention that it deserves" squire 2169 0 Jul 20 2017, 6:30pm
                       Collapse I'm not sure we're actually disagreeing... FarFromHome 2604 1 Jul 15 2017, 5:03pm
                           I agree we're not disagreeing squire 2591 0 Jul 15 2017, 7:00pm
                                                                   Collapse holiday food for holiday mood? noWizardme 2942 1 Jul 13 2017, 4:11pm
                                                                     or the new national dish of Britain, chicken tikka masala. I'm sure that was Sam's backup recipe.// CuriousG 2894 0 Jul 13 2017, 11:14pm
                                                               Collapse But what of The Hobbit? sador 2737 2 Jul 14 2017, 11:35am
                                                                   Good point noWizardme 2728 0 Jul 14 2017, 1:06pm
                                                                   Well Darkstone 2718 0 Jul 14 2017, 1:51pm
                                   Have you read 'Unfinished Tales'? sador 2733 0 Jul 14 2017, 11:29am
                           On the other hand... CuriousG 2798 0 Jul 7 2017, 6:07pm
           Collapse Well Darkstone 2918 1 Jul 6 2017, 3:05am
               Surely everybody knows... FarFromHome 2890 0 Jul 6 2017, 11:19am
       Epic thread here. / SirDennisC 4408 0 Jul 23 2017, 1:25am
       Collapse That was a mighty long thread! Hamfast Gamgee 4328 1 Jul 23 2017, 11:13pm
           True. sador 4320 0 Jul 24 2017, 6:34am

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