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  Expand entire thread Sticky: General notice re book discussions and the use of copyrighted materials Ataahua 62898 1 Jun 20 2007, 12:34pm Jump to last post in thread (by Wynnie)

  Sticky: Thread Locked Welcome to the Reading Room (-->Including links to old RR discussions!) Altaira 60213 0 Dec 28 2006, 3:11am Jump to last post in thread (by Altaira)

Sticky: How Best to Contact an Admin for Help Kyriel 53080 0 Mar 31 2009, 10:44pm Jump to last post in thread (by Kyriel)

  Expand entire thread Silmarilion Discussion: Chapter 16 -- "Of Maeglin" Maciliel 22804 380 Jun 16 2013, 10:27am Jump to last post in thread (by noWizardme)

  Expand entire thread Silmarillion Discussion, Chapter 19: Of Beren and Luthien: Love, etc. CuriousG 33826 343 Jul 8 2013, 8:00pm Jump to last post in thread (by Brethil)

  Expand entire thread LOTR Unofficial Read Through - The Two Towers Eruonen 25073 322 Jul 24 2017, 8:17pm Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)

  Expand entire thread The Fellowship of the Ring Discussion, Chapter Two: The Shadow of the Past Kim 22353 226 Dec 22 2014, 1:11am Jump to last post in thread (by Brethil)

  Expand entire thread 'The Fellowship of the Ring' Discussion, Chapter One: A Long-Expected Party Rembrethil 32642 186 Dec 17 2014, 2:33pm Jump to last post in thread (by Rembrethil)

  Expand entire thread The Return of the King - Unofficial read through Eruonen 18192 183 Aug 14 2017, 5:26pm Jump to last post in thread (by sador)

  Expand entire thread The Numenorean Kingdoms, part XI - bridge-film material? sador 28396 182 Feb 8 2009, 9:47pm Jump to last post in thread (by simplyaven)

  Expand entire thread Reading Room Culture Dreamdeer 28867 177 Mar 19 2009, 9:38pm Jump to last post in thread (by Idril Celebrindal)

  Expand entire thread Return of the King Part II - the unofficial read through - Book VI onward Eruonen 12919 173 Sep 10 2017, 9:08pm Jump to last post in thread (by sador)

  Expand entire thread The Tale of Years (Appendix B): Part I – The 2nd Age, 1 -1600 Morthoron 11807 160 Mar 15 2009, 9:15pm Jump to last post in thread (by Eowyn of Penns Woods)

  Expand entire thread need help filling in some blanks please (First Age, Elros, Elrond, Gil-galad, etc.) erynion 15966 159 Jun 9 2013, 9:36am Jump to last post in thread (by wildespace)

  Collapse Do Elves have free will? visualweasel 6363 156 Aug 21 2008, 3:53pm Jump to last post in thread (by visualweasel)
       Collapse Could you provide some ground rules? FarFromHome 5794 3 Aug 21 2008, 5:18pm
           Collapse Yes, good questions! visualweasel 5808 2 Aug 21 2008, 5:52pm
               Collapse I say "Tolkien and Free Will" is very popular this year a.s. 5703 1 Aug 22 2008, 11:16am
                   Those sound interesting, but no. visualweasel 5684 0 Aug 22 2008, 2:55pm
       Collapse Mandos and Aule Dreamdeer 5760 7 Aug 21 2008, 9:53pm
           Collapse Yes, yes, I agree. visualweasel 5753 6 Aug 21 2008, 10:05pm
               Collapse Yes. Elizabeth 5699 1 Aug 22 2008, 4:16am
                   Indeed. FarFromHome 5704 0 Aug 22 2008, 12:26pm
               Collapse why does "fairness" enter the argument? a.s. 3783 3 Aug 23 2008, 12:25pm
                   The "fairness" relates to moral responsibility FarFromHome 3722 0 Aug 23 2008, 3:44pm
                   Collapse Hell Dreamdeer 3804 1 Aug 23 2008, 4:36pm
                       "allowed for the possibility of Hell", then a.s. 3554 0 Aug 23 2008, 6:19pm
       No. But I will have to get to this later. a.s. 5768 0 Aug 21 2008, 10:18pm
       Collapse Would anyone have thought to ask this question before 1977? N.E. Brigand 5756 3 Aug 21 2008, 11:05pm
           Collapse Good point! visualweasel 5748 2 Aug 22 2008, 2:06pm
               Gimli Dreamdeer 3976 0 Aug 22 2008, 4:59pm
               free will implies the ability to sin a.s. 3757 0 Aug 23 2008, 12:45pm
       Collapse I have long argued ... Voronwë_the_Faithful 5806 4 Aug 21 2008, 11:54pm
           Collapse The Great Tolkienic Contradiction Conspiracy... Morthoron 5902 1 Aug 22 2008, 1:12am
               Fickle Finger of Fate Dreamdeer 5698 0 Aug 22 2008, 2:46am
           yes, and the answer is more complex, too a.s. 5668 0 Aug 22 2008, 10:57am
           I simply can't help myself ... visualweasel 5818 0 Aug 22 2008, 2:09pm
       Collapse There is no answer, of course Beren IV 5730 12 Aug 22 2008, 1:58am
           Collapse Be careful... Aelfwine 5739 4 Aug 22 2008, 2:42am
               Yes, this is one of the most central issues visualweasel 5646 0 Aug 22 2008, 2:51pm
               Collapse Peter Kreeft, in his book The Philosophy of Tolkien ElanorTX 3745 1 Aug 23 2008, 4:25am
                   Machine stories Aelfwine 3733 0 Aug 23 2008, 2:02pm
               *if* there is free will for any created being, then a.s. 3735 0 Aug 23 2008, 12:36pm
           Collapse The Big But... Morthoron 5683 4 Aug 22 2008, 2:48am
               Collapse So what does 'fading' mean? Beren IV 5679 3 Aug 22 2008, 7:25am
                   Collapse Fading and will? Dreamdeer 3968 2 Aug 22 2008, 4:46pm
                       Collapse Limited free will Beren IV 3752 1 Aug 23 2008, 1:59am
                           What you would have done Elizabeth 3727 0 Aug 23 2008, 4:33am
           Collapse Not so, actually: Aelfwine 5778 1 Aug 22 2008, 2:55am
               Have You Seen It? Voronwë_the_Faithful 5699 0 Aug 22 2008, 6:35am
       Collapse Was Flieger's Basic Thesis Different Than What She Previously Has Said? Voronwë_the_Faithful 5693 33 Aug 22 2008, 2:06pm
           Collapse I don't think so; however a.s. 3791 32 Aug 22 2008, 9:44pm
               Collapse Did you believe it before reading "The Silmarillion"? N.E. Brigand 3807 31 Aug 22 2008, 9:56pm
                   I never even thought about it prior to that a.s. 3831 0 Aug 22 2008, 10:15pm
                   Collapse Why Does It Matter Voronwë_the_Faithful 3762 29 Aug 22 2008, 10:47pm
                       Collapse "There isn't time to dig trenches. We'll have to buy them ready made." N.E. Brigand 3769 28 Aug 22 2008, 11:43pm
                           Collapse Apart from Ilúvitar's underlying plan... Beren IV 3779 2 Aug 23 2008, 2:14am
                               Collapse Predictions are not requirements. Elizabeth 3730 1 Aug 23 2008, 5:03am
                                   Turin's Curse Dreamdeer 3695 0 Aug 23 2008, 4:15pm
                           Collapse The works in question were in existence when LOTR was published Voronwë_the_Faithful 3774 24 Aug 23 2008, 2:59am
                               By 1952, Tolkien knew that "The Silmarillion" wouldn't be published. N.E. Brigand 3748 0 Aug 23 2008, 5:18am
                               Collapse We're arguing over "canon" Beren IV 3541 22 Aug 23 2008, 7:06pm
                                   Collapse Alrighty then... Morthoron 3603 11 Aug 23 2008, 10:47pm
                                       Collapse Post-script... Morthoron 3526 1 Aug 23 2008, 11:05pm
                                           Beren N.E. Brigand 3521 0 Aug 23 2008, 11:08pm
                                       Collapse No canon. N.E. Brigand 3537 5 Aug 23 2008, 11:12pm
                                           Collapse Hmmm... Morthoron 3546 4 Aug 23 2008, 11:43pm
                                               Collapse I agree with your premise... Dreamdeer 3572 2 Aug 24 2008, 1:33am
                                                   Collapse Aragorn said that!?!?! Samamir 3529 1 Aug 24 2008, 1:43am
                                                       Cut for a reason? Dreamdeer 3545 0 Aug 24 2008, 1:47am
                                               To whom are you responding? N.E. Brigand 3475 0 Aug 24 2008, 7:00am
                                       Collapse "Not canonical" does not mean apocryphal. Beren IV 3545 1 Aug 24 2008, 12:53am
                                           I disagree... Morthoron 3511 0 Aug 24 2008, 1:47am
                                       And even LotR was fluid. Dreamdeer 3525 0 Aug 24 2008, 1:28am
                                   FWIW, _I'm_ not arguing over canon Aelfwine 3512 0 Aug 24 2008, 2:04am
                                   Collapse I'm confused. What is "canon" and what is it good for? squire 3531 8 Aug 24 2008, 3:11am
                                       Not only that... FarFromHome 3485 0 Aug 24 2008, 7:32am
                                       Collapse Except that this question Beren IV 3486 6 Aug 24 2008, 8:24am
                                           Collapse Fade to Black (or Dark Elves)... Morthoron 3564 4 Aug 24 2008, 9:10am
                                               Ah. N.E. Brigand 3459 0 Aug 24 2008, 4:22pm
                                               Collapse Fëanor's destiny Beren IV 3468 2 Aug 24 2008, 6:45pm
                                                   Collapse Well... Morthoron 3567 1 Aug 24 2008, 7:31pm
                                                       I have to agree in general Beren IV 3510 0 Aug 24 2008, 8:45pm
                                           I suppose you are right. squire 3477 0 Aug 24 2008, 1:55pm
       Collapse free will and other runimations a.s. 3776 4 Aug 23 2008, 11:36am
           Collapse Constrained by the Music Aelfwine 4053 3 Aug 23 2008, 1:46pm
               Collapse *if* free will, by definition, a.s. 3885 2 Aug 23 2008, 2:38pm
                   Collapse Are you defining "free will" FarFromHome 3701 1 Aug 23 2008, 4:16pm
                       yes, and no a.s. 3542 0 Aug 23 2008, 6:37pm
       Collapse Why does it matter? // N.E. Brigand 3519 21 Aug 23 2008, 11:14pm
           Collapse To the Elves? Or to us? a.s. 3494 20 Aug 24 2008, 3:48am
               Collapse What rhymes with Hostetter? N.E. Brigand 3549 19 Aug 24 2008, 9:54pm
                   Hmmm...Hostetter? Morthoron 3514 0 Aug 24 2008, 11:19pm
                   Collapse LOL! Aelfwine 3530 10 Aug 24 2008, 11:42pm
                       Collapse Ode dear! Morthoron 3569 9 Aug 25 2008, 4:15am
                           LOL!!! Aelfwine 3528 0 Aug 25 2008, 4:20am
                           Brilliant!! // a.s. 3470 0 Aug 25 2008, 11:15am
                           Now that impressed me! // Dreamdeer 3466 0 Aug 25 2008, 1:38pm
                           A triumphal note in an otherwise endless (but still fun) debate! visualweasel 3503 0 Aug 25 2008, 3:03pm
                           Come on, now you're just being silly, Beren IV 3472 0 Aug 25 2008, 4:45pm
                           Collapse How did I end up in the Reading Room? Magpie 3480 2 Aug 26 2008, 1:20am
                               Collapse The Dark Elf bows... Morthoron 3447 1 Aug 26 2008, 1:57am
                                   *applauds* Peredhil lover 3430 0 Aug 26 2008, 5:50am
                           *applause* Well done! // dernwyn 3446 0 Aug 26 2008, 2:23am
                   Collapse picks up the gauntlet a.s. 3634 6 Aug 25 2008, 12:47am
                       Collapse LOL! (nt) Aelfwine 3511 5 Aug 25 2008, 1:32am
                           Collapse ack!!! Only I would mis-spell a word in a post about linguistics! Help, admins a.s. 3525 4 Aug 25 2008, 1:42am
                               Collapse Ah, magic! dernwyn 3437 3 Aug 26 2008, 2:21am
                                   Collapse no, NEB has not posted his winning entry a.s. 3437 2 Aug 26 2008, 10:59am
                                       Collapse It's not N.E. Brigand 3614 1 Aug 27 2008, 9:30pm
                                           oh stop! It won because it was funny, it was topical a.s. 3581 0 Aug 27 2008, 10:09pm
       Collapse Do Men? Darkstone 3444 55 Aug 26 2008, 2:02pm
           Collapse Wyrd and Fate visualweasel 3454 51 Aug 26 2008, 2:19pm
               Collapse But... Darkstone 3423 50 Aug 26 2008, 3:26pm
                   Collapse No buts ... visualweasel 3442 49 Aug 26 2008, 3:29pm
                       Collapse Yes but a.s. 3640 27 Aug 26 2008, 10:21pm
                           Collapse It would be, but ... visualweasel 3622 26 Aug 26 2008, 10:24pm
                               Collapse I did not say "in Tolkien's legendarium" a.s. 3643 23 Aug 26 2008, 10:42pm
                                   Collapse Well, if you're going to bring the Primary World into this ... :) visualweasel 3619 22 Aug 27 2008, 12:10am
                                       Collapse I officially wash my hands of this discussion. Beren IV 3609 3 Aug 27 2008, 12:48am
                                           Collapse I wouldn't say that. N.E. Brigand 3602 1 Aug 27 2008, 3:21am
                                               Good point! visualweasel 3583 0 Aug 27 2008, 1:45pm
                                           On the contrary! Dreamdeer 3581 0 Aug 27 2008, 4:16pm
                                       Collapse I am going to try this one more time a.s. 3687 17 Aug 27 2008, 11:36am
                                           Getting frustrated? I'm sorry about that ... visualweasel 3602 0 Aug 27 2008, 2:00pm
                                           Collapse This is a sticking point for me... FarFromHome 3598 4 Aug 27 2008, 2:07pm
                                               Collapse Regarding Catholic Teaching... Dreamdeer 3588 2 Aug 27 2008, 4:23pm
                                                   Collapse Maybe but... FarFromHome 3580 1 Aug 27 2008, 5:01pm
                                                       I'm not trying to, I'm just trying to define "free will" a.s. 3574 0 Aug 27 2008, 6:30pm
                                               That was what I thought was meant by... a.s. 3566 0 Aug 27 2008, 5:57pm
                                           Collapse The way in which the Elves arguably do not have free will, then, Beren IV 3562 4 Aug 27 2008, 6:22pm
                                               Collapse if Elves do not, in fact, exist after Arda ceases to exist then, yes, they do not have free will by my definition of free will. a.s. 3579 3 Aug 27 2008, 6:40pm
                                                   Ah, but what about the Outer Darkness? Dreamdeer 3789 0 Aug 27 2008, 7:44pm
                                                   Yes, but there is always a Tolkienic contradiction... Morthoron 3608 0 Aug 27 2008, 9:35pm
                                                   My understanding was Beren IV 3664 0 Aug 28 2008, 2:41am
                                           Collapse That's quite helpful. N.E. Brigand 3624 5 Aug 27 2008, 6:48pm
                                               Collapse I don't think that's an accurate definition of Free Will from the Church's perspective. Aelfwine 3809 4 Aug 27 2008, 9:37pm
                                                   Collapse OK, I can accept that a.s. 3585 3 Aug 27 2008, 9:50pm
                                                       Collapse But, what we really need to decide once and for all... Morthoron 3585 2 Aug 27 2008, 10:27pm
                                                           Collapse And are they *free* to use them? ;) // visualweasel 3587 1 Aug 27 2008, 10:28pm
                                                               Or better, do they have the free will to use them? Morthoron 3578 0 Aug 27 2008, 10:29pm
                               Collapse Men, Elves and the Music Voronwë_the_Faithful 3634 1 Aug 26 2008, 11:03pm
                                   That is exactly what I have been saying a.s. 3641 0 Aug 27 2008, 10:55am
                       Collapse Yes buts. Elves have free will. Darkstone 3615 20 Aug 27 2008, 6:02pm
                           Collapse Although Galadriel's fall Beren IV 3596 5 Aug 27 2008, 6:17pm
                               Collapse The most sinful Elves Darkstone 3588 4 Aug 27 2008, 6:33pm
                                   Collapse So what did the three 'C's look like? Beren IV 3619 3 Aug 27 2008, 6:42pm
                                       Probably still pretty fair. Darkstone 3625 0 Aug 27 2008, 6:58pm
                                       Collapse Yes and No Dreamdeer 3665 1 Aug 27 2008, 8:15pm
                                           What a lovely image visualweasel 3610 0 Aug 27 2008, 9:15pm
                           Well said, and I agree. // visualweasel 3573 0 Aug 27 2008, 6:24pm
                           Collapse if they cannot go to Hell, they do not have free will a.s. 3617 12 Aug 27 2008, 6:54pm
                               Collapse So do The Elect have free will? Darkstone 3742 3 Aug 27 2008, 7:33pm
                                   Collapse I don't know. I think so, but a.s. 3742 2 Aug 27 2008, 11:23pm
                                       Collapse Please don't be so hard on yourself, "a.s."! Aelfwine 3585 1 Aug 28 2008, 12:00am
                                           You are a nice guy, aelf :-) a.s. 3570 0 Aug 28 2008, 12:18am
                               Collapse I disagree fundamentally, but we can still be friends :) visualweasel 3625 1 Aug 27 2008, 9:27pm
                                   it would depend upon how you define free will a.s. 3569 0 Aug 27 2008, 10:42pm
                               Collapse Angels in the apocrypha Beren IV 3551 5 Aug 28 2008, 2:45am
                                   Collapse The Dark Elf recalls his Catholic education... Morthoron 3564 4 Aug 28 2008, 3:51am
                                       Collapse Er... Aelfwine 3699 3 Aug 28 2008, 12:37pm
                                           Collapse To elucidate... Morthoron 3516 2 Aug 28 2008, 4:09pm
                                               Collapse You were quite clear. Aelfwine 3619 1 Aug 28 2008, 6:59pm
                                                   Let's agree to disagree then... Morthoron 3472 0 Aug 28 2008, 9:54pm
           Collapse Aragorn did have free will. Dreamdeer 3470 2 Aug 26 2008, 3:26pm
               Collapse And THAT is the point I've been trying to make! Beren IV 3646 1 Aug 26 2008, 7:38pm
                   Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more... Morthoron 3835 0 Aug 26 2008, 10:06pm
       Collapse It depends on your perspective. Curious 3216 3 Mar 22 2009, 5:17pm
           Collapse If I understand you, then I disagree :) visualweasel 3223 2 Mar 23 2009, 2:00pm
               Collapse I misspoke. Curious 3216 1 Mar 23 2009, 3:15pm
                   Agreed! :) // visualweasel 3419 0 Mar 23 2009, 3:18pm

  Expand entire thread **Unfinished Tales Discussion - Disaster of the Gladden Fields noWizardme 20598 154 Mar 6 2014, 8:28am Jump to last post in thread (by Plurmo)

  Expand entire thread Fellowship of The Ring - unofficial, unsanctioned, unsolicited read through Eruonen 14328 152 Apr 25 2017, 1:10am Jump to last post in thread (by Otaku-sempai)

  Expand entire thread It's Tolkien Reading Day! Post your ABCs of Tolkien here. N.E. Brigand 66246 148 Apr 4 2010, 7:52pm Jump to last post in thread (by Compa_Mighty)
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