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Expand entire thread Sticky: How Best to Contact an Admin for Help Kyriel 36075 2 Jun 26 2011, 9:29pm Jump to last post in thread (by tolkiennerd)

  Sticky: Thread Locked Welcome to Main Altaira 39602 0 Dec 28 2006, 3:02am Jump to last post in thread (by Altaira)

  Expand entire thread New Line Cinema Sued by Tolkein Estate (over film profits...) JRandomRohirrim 27969 341 Feb 20 2008, 8:23am Jump to last post in thread (by AinurOlorin)

Expand entire thread Thread Locked So you think you know your Tolkien names? Bracegirdle 3876 283 Jun 25, 3:23am Jump to last post in thread (by Altaira)

  Collapse Tolkien Estate HATES these movies? DemoElite 4472 244 Aug 18 2012, 3:34pm Jump to last post in thread (by JWPlatt)
       well Lusitano 2077 0 Aug 18 2012, 3:39pm
       Collapse Christopher Tolkien has every right to hate the films Shelob'sAppetite 2411 102 Aug 18 2012, 3:40pm
           Collapse Wasn't something written that Christopher Refused to see Any of it. Bombadil 2176 1 Aug 18 2012, 3:44pm
               Yes, he has Solicitr 595 0 Sep 5 2012, 5:15pm
           Collapse As far as I know macfalk 2068 27 Aug 18 2012, 3:45pm
               Collapse In a recent interview Shelob'sAppetite 2092 26 Aug 18 2012, 3:49pm
                   Collapse Source? macfalk 1850 25 Aug 18 2012, 3:51pm
                       See this thread DanielLB 1868 0 Aug 18 2012, 3:54pm
                       Le Monde Lacrimae Rerum 1706 0 Aug 18 2012, 3:57pm
                       Collapse From July of this year in Le Monde Shelob'sAppetite 1815 18 Aug 18 2012, 3:59pm
                           Collapse LOL... I respect CT, I do, but I find his opinion rather myopic! Earl 1846 15 Aug 18 2012, 4:04pm
                               We are all 20 at heart.// Kangi Ska 787 0 Aug 19 2012, 1:50am
                               Collapse *nods knowingly* This is something grammaboodawg 869 9 Aug 19 2012, 1:24pm
                                   Collapse You're not being minimized and ignored Shelob'sAppetite 844 8 Aug 19 2012, 4:16pm
                                       Validation JWPlatt 770 0 Aug 19 2012, 4:27pm
                                       Collapse The issue isn't liking vs. not liking in this case. Elizabeth 797 1 Aug 19 2012, 6:50pm
                                           *high five* Yeppers :) grammaboodawg 778 0 Aug 19 2012, 10:37pm
                                       Collapse Well... grammaboodawg 749 4 Aug 19 2012, 10:42pm
                                           Collapse Did C. Tolkien say it was aimed at young males? imin 744 3 Aug 19 2012, 11:46pm
                                               Collapse That that I'm aware of. grammaboodawg 717 1 Aug 20 2012, 1:55am
                                                   Oh ok imin 683 0 Aug 20 2012, 7:44am
                                               No. geordie 665 0 Aug 20 2012, 6:11am
                               Collapse Can somebody say... Patty 589 3 Aug 20 2012, 3:39pm
                                   Collapse It seems to me Shelob'sAppetite 588 2 Aug 20 2012, 4:01pm
                                       Collapse A decent number... Patty 557 1 Aug 20 2012, 6:28pm
                                           Why would that cause me offense? Shelob'sAppetite 742 0 Aug 20 2012, 7:27pm
                           I find that quote highly amusing. Beutlin 1080 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:33pm
                           amusing comment Lusitano 972 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:43pm
                       Collapse Source JWPlatt 913 3 Aug 18 2012, 5:11pm
                           Collapse Great conversation... DemoElite 893 2 Aug 18 2012, 5:41pm
                               hmmm Wandering Ranger 834 0 Aug 18 2012, 5:49pm
                               We're looking at this the wrong way DanielLB 825 0 Aug 18 2012, 6:09pm
           Collapse I half agree with you! DanielLB 1692 51 Aug 18 2012, 3:49pm
               Collapse well Lusitano 1627 5 Aug 18 2012, 4:01pm
                   Collapse He doesn't "understand many things" Shelob'sAppetite 1697 3 Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
                       Collapse Shelob Lusitano 1020 2 Aug 18 2012, 4:24pm
                           Collapse I don't mind criticism of C. Tolkien at all Shelob'sAppetite 1016 1 Aug 18 2012, 4:37pm
                               sh Lusitano 960 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:50pm
                   Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though DanielLB 1582 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
               Collapse Well, not *all* of JRR Tolkien's family are "protective" of his works to the point of disliking the films Earl 1822 44 Aug 18 2012, 4:02pm
                   Collapse Does this imply Shelob'sAppetite 1646 12 Aug 18 2012, 4:03pm
                       Collapse In the context I used "supercool", yes B-) Earl 1664 11 Aug 18 2012, 4:07pm
                           Collapse You've met Royd! DanielLB 1601 2 Aug 18 2012, 4:09pm
                               No, I haven't met him in person Earl 1010 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:15pm
                               Quite a few of us have. Elizabeth 849 0 Aug 18 2012, 10:14pm
                           Collapse But that's unfair Shelob'sAppetite 1070 7 Aug 18 2012, 4:12pm
                               Collapse Well, Peter Jackson did approach the TE back in the day Earl 1056 6 Aug 18 2012, 4:22pm
                                   Collapse C.Tolkien is very set in his ways and opinions DanielLB 1091 5 Aug 18 2012, 4:28pm
                                       Collapse well Lusitano 967 2 Aug 18 2012, 4:32pm
                                           Collapse Ifs and buts DanielLB 939 1 Aug 18 2012, 4:45pm
                                               danielb Lusitano 910 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:53pm
                                       Collapse Most old guys I know of are that way...// Maiarmike 883 1 Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
                                           Careful - I may resemble that comment :) jschomburg 643 0 Aug 20 2012, 8:32pm
                   Ah, yes, I agree Earl. DanielLB 1624 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:06pm
                   Collapse I think the article did a fine job of explaining, in brief, what protect means (And thank you DanielB for the link) AinurOlorin 961 24 Aug 18 2012, 4:59pm
                       Collapse Eh, they wouldn't of even had the conversation if it weren't for the movie Tim 898 4 Aug 18 2012, 5:07pm
                           Collapse That person continued to argue even without facts. AinurOlorin 867 3 Aug 18 2012, 5:58pm
                               Collapse Having just come from math class... Tim 826 2 Aug 18 2012, 8:01pm
                                   Collapse if I may say so Wandering Ranger 768 1 Aug 18 2012, 8:10pm
                                       My experience is exactly the opposite Tim 803 0 Aug 18 2012, 8:18pm
                       Also it's my view that Wandering Ranger 878 0 Aug 18 2012, 5:08pm
                       Collapse I suppose I'm in the fortunate position on this of not giving two hoots. Lacrimae Rerum 906 17 Aug 18 2012, 5:19pm
                           Collapse Fortunate indeed. AinurOlorin 856 16 Aug 18 2012, 5:35pm
                               Collapse Well conflicts arise for all sorts of reasons. Lacrimae Rerum 839 15 Aug 18 2012, 5:49pm
                                   Collapse Well there is different. . . and then there is plain wrong. AinurOlorin 794 14 Aug 18 2012, 6:05pm
                                       Collapse It's a different telling of the tale. Lacrimae Rerum 792 13 Aug 18 2012, 6:13pm
                                           Collapse That is pretty much my belief too Earl 876 9 Aug 18 2012, 6:21pm
                                               Collapse Well, that explains alot AinurOlorin 835 8 Aug 18 2012, 6:47pm
                                                   Collapse No, no, now I'll have to put the tin hat on that one. Lacrimae Rerum 871 7 Aug 18 2012, 7:15pm
                                                       Collapse If the film is the child AinurOlorin 769 6 Aug 18 2012, 7:51pm
                                                           Collapse No no Lacrimae Rerum 772 5 Aug 18 2012, 8:00pm
                                                               I agree. Wouldn't a good example of this be the tale of King Arthur and Merlin? Tim 791 0 Aug 18 2012, 8:08pm
                                                               Collapse Well, the work is the child, and the film is the child altered AinurOlorin 781 3 Aug 18 2012, 8:09pm
                                                                   Collapse How is a story like a child? Lacrimae Rerum 760 2 Aug 18 2012, 8:44pm
                                                                       Collapse You made the original child analogy. AinurOlorin 861 1 Aug 18 2012, 9:30pm
                                                                           I agree with almost all the steps of this Lacrimae Rerum 830 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:52pm
                                           Collapse Bah and humbug. The Author's account is the true one, AinurOlorin 865 2 Aug 18 2012, 6:26pm
                                               Collapse Haha have you ever considered starting a religion? Old L.Ron did ok out it. NT Lacrimae Rerum 862 1 Aug 18 2012, 6:29pm
                                                   lol AinurOlorin 802 0 Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
                   Collapse He plays the ranger handing out spears before the attack on Osgiliath if I remember rightly? Seaber 814 4 Aug 18 2012, 8:41pm
                       Royd played a ranger geordie 743 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:04pm
                       Collapse Here's BBC's interview with Royd from 2003 Earl 697 2 Aug 19 2012, 8:01am
                           Collapse *sighs smiling* He even went beyond cameos and after parties. grammaboodawg 780 1 Aug 19 2012, 12:41pm
                               Thanks gramma for confirming that Royd's really a supercool person B-) // Earl 740 0 Aug 19 2012, 2:41pm
           Collapse Bizarro ShelobAppetite Lusitano 1699 15 Aug 18 2012, 3:54pm
               Collapse From C.Tolkien's perspective DanielLB 1652 8 Aug 18 2012, 3:55pm
                   Collapse well Lusitano 1609 6 Aug 18 2012, 4:06pm
                       Collapse Of course Martin and Rowling etc. have a different attitude. AinurOlorin 960 5 Aug 18 2012, 5:05pm
                           Collapse ainur Lusitano 911 4 Aug 18 2012, 5:17pm
                               Collapse I can understand why Christopher wouldn't agree to a meeting. AinurOlorin 859 2 Aug 18 2012, 5:37pm
                                   Collapse well i just think its a pity Lusitano 916 1 Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
                                       I can still understand Christopher not wanting to meet. AinurOlorin 840 0 Aug 18 2012, 6:38pm
                               Kreacher was in the movies solely because JK said he had to be there. Ataahua 873 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:32pm
                   Probably not. Only because... Dlanor da Great 809 0 Aug 18 2012, 10:21pm
               Collapse What's so Bizarro about it? Shelob'sAppetite 1629 1 Aug 18 2012, 4:01pm
                   well Lusitano 1630 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:02pm
               Collapse This seems a little obnoxious as an assertion AinurOlorin 990 3 Aug 18 2012, 4:10pm
                   Collapse hmm Lusitano 954 2 Aug 18 2012, 4:30pm
                       Collapse Ah, bizzaro. AinurOlorin 862 1 Aug 18 2012, 5:30pm
                           yes Lusitano 843 0 Aug 18 2012, 5:33pm
           Collapse I'm sorry rings7 737 3 Aug 18 2012, 9:10pm
               Collapse I think the films Shelob'sAppetite 702 2 Aug 18 2012, 9:11pm
                   Collapse Ok rings7 707 1 Aug 18 2012, 9:15pm
                       Not necessarily Shelob'sAppetite 670 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:21pm
       Collapse It would have been nice if The Tolkiens had been allowed at least some AinurOlorin 990 91 Aug 18 2012, 4:28pm
           I wouldn't say the HP films are any more faithful than the LOTR films DanielLB 997 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:31pm
           Collapse As I said above Earl 989 89 Aug 18 2012, 4:34pm
               Collapse I agree, very sad. macfalk 968 88 Aug 18 2012, 4:38pm
                   Collapse If Shelob'sAppetite 974 87 Aug 18 2012, 4:44pm
                       Collapse And Heavenly Creatures... macfalk 970 74 Aug 18 2012, 4:47pm
                           Collapse JRR Tolkien was not your father Shelob'sAppetite 944 2 Aug 18 2012, 4:52pm
                               well Lusitano 883 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:56pm
                               Yes, I have to agree DanielLB 916 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:58pm
                           Collapse I may be wrong here but... Spaldron 881 70 Aug 18 2012, 5:31pm
                               Collapse well Wandering Ranger 861 68 Aug 18 2012, 5:38pm
                                   Collapse Tolkien sold the rights years ago... Spaldron 864 66 Aug 18 2012, 5:52pm
                                       without wishing to start an argument Wandering Ranger 834 0 Aug 18 2012, 5:58pm
                                       Collapse "Don't Confuse Me With The Facts!" JWPlatt 831 62 Aug 18 2012, 6:06pm
                                           Collapse Indeed Phibbus 841 1 Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
                                               The Tolkien Trust Elizabeth 789 0 Aug 18 2012, 10:33pm
                                           Collapse No quite what I meant Spaldron 839 58 Aug 18 2012, 6:53pm
                                               Collapse Worse JWPlatt 866 57 Aug 18 2012, 9:55pm
                                                   Collapse Sorry but... Spaldron 743 53 Aug 19 2012, 1:08am
                                                       I feel like Harry Potter analogies aren't going to get you anywhere. GoodGuyA 707 0 Aug 19 2012, 1:59am
                                                       Collapse This macfalk 776 51 Aug 19 2012, 9:05am
                                                           Collapse But... Silverlode 824 8 Aug 19 2012, 10:19am
                                                               *mods up*// Eowyn of Penns Woods 737 0 Aug 19 2012, 3:06pm
                                                               Mods up, too.// geordie 762 0 Aug 19 2012, 3:22pm
                                                               Collapse Silverlode's post should be pretty much the last word on this thread. RosieLass 758 5 Aug 20 2012, 4:11am
                                                                   Amen, Rosie Shelob'sAppetite 655 0 Aug 20 2012, 5:51am
                                                                   Exactly! // geordie 641 0 Aug 20 2012, 6:12am
                                                                   Collapse Not quite exact. sador 667 2 Aug 20 2012, 7:06am
                                                                       Collapse Christopher Tolkien was actively involved in the creation of LOTR, too. RosieLass 671 1 Aug 20 2012, 8:04pm
                                                                           Further to Rosie's post: here's a link geordie 666 0 Aug 20 2012, 8:12pm
                                                           Collapse Hush Money JWPlatt 717 41 Aug 19 2012, 3:29pm
                                                               Collapse What I find quite amusing here... Spaldron 704 40 Aug 19 2012, 4:38pm
                                                                   Who said CT is above criticism? Shelob'sAppetite 686 0 Aug 19 2012, 4:41pm
                                                                   CTs comments unwise macfalk 678 0 Aug 19 2012, 5:36pm
                                                                   Collapse *whispers... geordie 719 37 Aug 19 2012, 5:45pm
                                                                       Single Dream JWPlatt 725 0 Aug 19 2012, 5:59pm
                                                                       Collapse Oops. Spaldron 700 35 Aug 19 2012, 6:03pm
                                                                           Due Diligence JWPlatt 710 0 Aug 19 2012, 6:12pm
                                                                           Collapse Yes, it's misleading, isn't it? geordie 713 4 Aug 19 2012, 6:39pm
                                                                               Collapse Single Dream... JWPlatt 706 3 Aug 19 2012, 6:52pm
  Collapse I think the makers of the EE probably got it from a quotes site geordie 688 2 Aug 19 2012, 7:09pm
       Collapse The net is like a petri dish - everything grows well in it Magpie 700 1 Aug 19 2012, 7:38pm
           As can be seen - geordie 626 0 Aug 19 2012, 8:12pm
                                                                           Collapse Here's another one - geordie 675 28 Aug 19 2012, 6:49pm
                                                                               Collapse Loosely based on a passage or two by Tolkien... Otaku-sempai 639 22 Aug 19 2012, 6:54pm
  Collapse Actually, I can't put my finger on what those passages might be - geordie 637 21 Aug 19 2012, 7:11pm
       Collapse Specifically? Otaku-sempai 660 20 Aug 19 2012, 7:25pm
           Collapse Ah, thanks for that - geordie 641 19 Aug 19 2012, 7:46pm
               Collapse Psst geordie... sador 627 14 Aug 20 2012, 7:09am
                   He is not ElendilTheShort 630 0 Aug 20 2012, 7:59am
                   Collapse Let's have a look... geordie 538 12 Aug 20 2012, 5:02pm
                       Collapse "Then it was late in coming" sador 628 11 Aug 21 2012, 12:45pm
                           Collapse Ingrates? JWPlatt 625 1 Aug 21 2012, 2:42pm
                               Well, the Valar have a history of mucking things up... Morthoron 598 0 Aug 21 2012, 4:45pm
                           Collapse If he only had a vision ElendilTheShort 551 3 Aug 22 2012, 2:15am
                               nice commentary DemoElite 543 0 Aug 22 2012, 2:44am
                               Collapse This is a complicated question sador 552 1 Aug 22 2012, 7:52am
                                   i have never read it as such imin 554 0 Aug 22 2012, 8:11am
                           Collapse Read 154 ElendilTheShort 572 4 Aug 22 2012, 7:35am
                               Collapse "supposed" is a very strong qualifier sador 559 3 Aug 22 2012, 7:59am
                                   For myself ElendilTheShort 521 0 Aug 22 2012, 8:52am
                                   Collapse I will say ElendilTheShort 548 1 Aug 22 2012, 9:20am
                                       Literary Cowardice JWPlatt 526 0 Aug 22 2012, 4:06pm
               Collapse Far green country Zubeneschamali 669 2 Aug 20 2012, 9:57am
                   Well that rather depends Lacrimae Rerum 586 0 Aug 20 2012, 12:18pm
                   I'm with you on this Phibbus 577 0 Aug 20 2012, 12:46pm
               Well, there are Frodo's verses... Otaku-sempai 660 0 Aug 20 2012, 7:56pm
                                                                               Collapse LOL! Yes, those are the lyrics to the Rankin-Bass "Hobbit" theme song! dernwyn 631 4 Aug 19 2012, 7:55pm
  It's pret-ty banal, isn't it? geordie 774 0 Aug 19 2012, 8:51pm
  Collapse Here's another one, from the same page - geordie 768 2 Aug 19 2012, 9:04pm
       Collapse Are you referring to..? Gwytha 769 1 Aug 19 2012, 9:18pm
           Yes, that's it. :-) // geordie 716 0 Aug 19 2012, 9:52pm
                                                   Collapse Your reasoning is flawed... Otaku-sempai 765 2 Aug 19 2012, 6:00pm
                                                       Collapse Profits JWPlatt 731 1 Aug 19 2012, 6:10pm
                                                           You misunderstand me. Otaku-sempai 699 0 Aug 19 2012, 6:14pm
                                           Great points Shelob'sAppetite 757 0 Aug 18 2012, 8:45pm
                                       Collapse The Voice of Saruman and the Call of Mammon Finrod 818 1 Aug 18 2012, 7:37pm
                                           I'd be happy to respond... Spaldron 708 0 Aug 19 2012, 12:38am
                                   I agree with both your latest posts geordie 769 0 Aug 18 2012, 6:17pm
                               LOTR is not a book for Adolescents. Neither is The Hobbit, per se, but from a different angle AinurOlorin 814 0 Aug 18 2012, 5:55pm
                       Collapse I've always viewed him as largely ungrateful. Maiarmike 894 9 Aug 18 2012, 6:24pm
                           Collapse Maybe he thinks respect for his father's life-work is more important than money. // RosieLass 844 5 Aug 18 2012, 6:39pm
                               Collapse Hence, my first mention being about all that Jackson has done to further Tolkien's influence... Maiarmike 849 4 Aug 18 2012, 7:12pm
                                   Collapse was that to me? Wandering Ranger 828 2 Aug 18 2012, 7:13pm
                                       Collapse No, my response was to RosieLass. Maiarmike 825 1 Aug 18 2012, 7:15pm
                                           I did not twist anything. RosieLass 943 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:38pm
                                   You think PJ created an intelligent and respectful version of the story Shelob'sAppetite 794 0 Aug 18 2012, 8:51pm
                           Collapse You know, it is a funny thing, but some people would rather AinurOlorin 892 1 Aug 18 2012, 6:40pm
                               That's right - geordie 838 0 Aug 18 2012, 6:49pm
                           Here here. Spaldron 821 0 Aug 18 2012, 6:56pm
                       Collapse Well in that case Lindele 806 1 Aug 18 2012, 6:59pm
                           but Wandering Ranger 822 0 Aug 18 2012, 7:10pm
       Success Stories JWPlatt 955 0 Aug 18 2012, 4:38pm
       Collapse Doesn't really matter Tim 976 1 Aug 18 2012, 4:44pm
           Perfectly put.// Gorbag 759 0 Aug 18 2012, 7:33pm
       Collapse Christopher Tolkien is simply too close to the source material sycorax82 780 21 Aug 18 2012, 8:39pm
           Collapse The funny thing about this stat Shelob'sAppetite 792 17 Aug 18 2012, 8:56pm
               I'll pitch it to my superviser in my next meeting with him DanielLB 730 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:06pm
               Couldn't agree more.// geordie 714 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
               Collapse I said it strengthens my argument... Tim 705 13 Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
                   Collapse Yet how many more people will see the movies without picking up the books? AinurOlorin 660 12 Aug 18 2012, 9:23pm
                       Collapse Right, and people often ignore the question... Shelob'sAppetite 699 3 Aug 18 2012, 9:26pm
                           Collapse Sort of moot Phibbus 859 1 Aug 18 2012, 9:40pm
                               That's interesting. Lacrimae Rerum 837 0 Aug 18 2012, 10:01pm
                           I read the book on recommendation from my Mum and sister DanielLB 867 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:44pm
                       Why? Do the people who don't read the books live in a social vacuum? Tim 850 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:44pm
                       Collapse ROTK won an Academy Award for Best picture... DemoElite 869 6 Aug 18 2012, 10:10pm
                           Collapse To many people, the Oscars mean nothing DanielLB 828 4 Aug 18 2012, 10:15pm
                               Collapse Agreed about the oscars... DemoElite 788 3 Aug 18 2012, 10:23pm
                                   Collapse LOTR was not good film especially in terms of quality... Tigero 659 2 Aug 19 2012, 7:30am
                                       Collapse I don't think it makes them bad films DanielLB 672 1 Aug 19 2012, 7:42am
                                           Yes it still has parts that would deserve an oscar on their own Tigero 781 0 Aug 19 2012, 9:42am
                           I never said it was a terrible movie. I am personally rather fond of it. So much so AinurOlorin 711 0 Aug 19 2012, 5:29am
               From past experience... Morthoron 703 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:26pm
           Collapse Couldn't agree more! / DanielLB 742 2 Aug 18 2012, 9:04pm
               Collapse Oh, I bet you could! Shelob'sAppetite 738 1 Aug 18 2012, 9:07pm
                   I could? / DanielLB 732 0 Aug 18 2012, 9:09pm
       Collapse I am shocked by some people's views on here imin 920 20 Aug 18 2012, 10:19pm
           Im more shocked that.... Dlanor da Great 799 0 Aug 18 2012, 10:38pm
           Collapse Well said. DesiringDragons 729 18 Aug 19 2012, 2:56pm
               Collapse Amen Shelob'sAppetite 761 17 Aug 19 2012, 4:19pm
                   Collapse The Oscar and BAFTA winning screenplay which Lacrimae Rerum 681 16 Aug 19 2012, 4:24pm
                       Collapse Yes Shelob'sAppetite 747 7 Aug 19 2012, 4:38pm
                           I bet you're a Razzie man DanielLB 701 0 Aug 19 2012, 4:43pm
                           Collapse Well not quite Lacrimae Rerum 689 5 Aug 19 2012, 5:32pm
                               Collapse Well, that's because I find it very tiresome Shelob'sAppetite 623 4 Aug 19 2012, 8:09pm
                                   Well said geordie 608 0 Aug 19 2012, 8:19pm
                                   Collapse Maybe it's the brevity Lacrimae Rerum 625 2 Aug 19 2012, 8:25pm
                                       Collapse Brevity Shelob'sAppetite 779 1 Aug 19 2012, 8:40pm
                                           If you had said this... Spaldron 707 0 Aug 20 2012, 12:07am
                       Collapse Writers JWPlatt 748 5 Aug 19 2012, 4:45pm
                           People want different things. Escapist 645 0 Aug 19 2012, 5:10pm
                           I'm not sure the audience felt they were damned. Lacrimae Rerum 697 0 Aug 19 2012, 5:34pm
                           Collapse I concur, JW... Morthoron 753 1 Aug 19 2012, 6:16pm
                               I cannot do much other than bow my acknowledgent of the general accuracy of this post AinurOlorin 653 0 Aug 19 2012, 8:01pm
                           Very well said, JWplatt AinurOlorin 673 0 Aug 19 2012, 7:54pm
                       Collapse Zimmerman treatment retread Solicitr 476 1 Sep 5 2012, 5:34pm
                           Nature JWPlatt 598 0 Sep 5 2012, 5:57pm
       The opinion of CT matters. Escapist 717 0 Aug 19 2012, 5:19pm
       I'm sure it wasn't a ploy Gwytha 642 0 Aug 19 2012, 8:28pm

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