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AinurOlorin
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Mar 29 2013, 3:49am
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Memo: to Warners et al. . . anyone bothering
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to look up the sneak peek footage will probably buy the DVD and see the next film, no matter the spoilers! Modified = with the exception of some great Thranduil moments, most of the good conduct is edited out.
Just watched the modified with my lady fair. She had been working the day it live aired. Boy was I shocked and almost embarassed to find that more than half of the film related content, including the promised clip, had been COMPLETELY edited out! What in the hell!?
Also, memo to Warner brothers et al, with all this excessive bullying and secrecy. . . NO ONE going out of their way to see early, effects free footage is going to turn around and NOT by the DVDs or NOT see the movies, unless they are absolutely penniless and cannot, in which case . . . a little charity goes a long ways. Who are you hiding these little snippets from?? No one who is going to go through the trouble of checking it out is going to turn around and say, "well, I've seen quite enough. I enjoyed it, it was worth surfing around on the internet to see, but I don't think I will be paying for viewing the finished product!" . . . whaaaaaaaaaat???????????
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Mar 29 2013, 3:57am
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Warner Brothers *shakes head*
How about the people that CANT actually buy it because you clowns are releasing it months from now!! 
Idiots...
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 29 2013, 4:36am
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It is ridiculous. Stingy to the point of being almost punitive.
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Really? They cut most of the peek part out of the sneak peek? Too much.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Rane
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Mar 29 2013, 4:38am
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I mean before, like during LOTR. Did they go to such lengths concerning the spoilers?
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Mar 29 2013, 5:14am
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New Line took a more fan-friendly approach - at least after the serving-Tehanu-with-a-mistaken-restraining-order thing got resolved. They did indeed go to great lengths to protect major spoilers, especially Gollum and revealing set pics, but they didn't market with so many "teases", promising great things and not delivering. When they promised an exclusive sneak peek, we got a sneak peek of some interest. On the other hand, most of the kind of spoiler stuff that we got as sneak peeks and through set spying last time we are getting through the vlogs this time. So mainly it's the teasing that's so different and annoying, plus WB is more typical of how studios usually treat fans. We were spoiled last time, whether we realized it or not.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 29 2013, 5:15am
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Hard to recall. The internet was so slow back then, they probably didn't need to bother.
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Did Youtube even exist??? lol. But, this is too much. You are supposed to WANT your film to get publicity, and NOTHING in that original preview was a deal breaking spoiler. We are nearly into April and we don't even have a Vlog yet. Memo Warners (and perhaps Peter as well). . . we already saw ALMOST this much Desolation of Smaug material in the vlogs for An Unexpected Journey. There is being cautious and keeping things close. . . and then there is just being a jackass about things. I mean before, like during LOTR. Did they go to such lengths concerning the spoilers?
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Moahunter
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Mar 29 2013, 5:31am
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I understand that there is some "new" footage in the archived version.......
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but some of the Laketown crowd scenes have vanished.
Luckily I had downloaded that and got a screencap in which I am just visible.
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JWPlatt
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Mar 29 2013, 5:43am
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Bears in the park, once fed by humans, will attack humans if humans pass by without offering food. That's why there are signs "Do Not Feed The Bears."
The lesson is obvious.
Really?
I'd like to note up front that although this is a reply to the OP's post, it is not directed specifically at the OP but anyone who rails at Warners on the issue of controlling their own property how they see fit.
Warner Brothers might be a corporate pariah, loaded with legal weasels, and a parasite of the most cynical sort of human waste ever brought together to take profit from honest fans. But anyone complaining about this is just another bear in the park.
I expected to discontinue any sort of frequent perusal of this website starting about six months prior to the release of the second film. I found that the first time through, with An Unexpected Journey, left me more critical of the film that I otherwise would have been had I not read and contributed to all the speculative criticism before the release. I think I stopped at about one month prior and that was not nearly long enough.
Six months is well ahead of most fans here who might wait until the last week before attempting any kind of spoiler discipline. Now with the posting of the preview and these preview threads, I can see the time has already come and gone to stop perusing these forums more than superficially.
No matter how bad Warner might be in your minds, this general reaction is quite spoiled (in the behavioral sense of the word) and distasteful; a shameful example of selfishness and a lack of discipline about something anyone can see in full in a few short months anyway. Would you walk up to Peter Jackson and say these things?
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Lissuin
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Mar 29 2013, 7:13am
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Veryveryvery cool, indeed! 
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emre43
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Mar 29 2013, 9:23am
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That couldn't see the Gandalf-Radagast scene again.
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utku
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Mar 29 2013, 11:35am
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They are just encouraging piracy at this moment
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The entire sneak peek is available online in torrenting websites so what exactly are they aiming to achieve here? People who actually pay them will get much less than those who do not. I have trouble understanding the situation.
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Valandil ed Imladris
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Mar 29 2013, 12:13pm
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because I'm waiting for the EE. I think it's unfair to only put this content along with the theatrical version.
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jimmyfenn
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Mar 29 2013, 12:36pm
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hated that comp shot of the dwarves in lake town ( i presume) i know its not finished but i think highlights that just shrinking people into dwarves doesnt work, a dwarves physiology should be different to just small humans! dont like.
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Eleniel
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Mar 29 2013, 12:51pm
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I thought the same...it just about worked in FotR for the Hobbits in the Fellowship shot at Rivendell, but here the Dwarves' look wrong somehow.
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Shagrat
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Mar 29 2013, 1:14pm
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The shot is clearly unfinished
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It'll no doubt look better in the final film. Just look at how great the Unexpected Party sequence is.
There were timse in LOTR when some of the scaling looked really bad, not least some moments involving Merry in ROTK.
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 29 2013, 1:19pm
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I will see your selfish and your bear, and raise it by roaring. They could have just put less in to begin with. But to put material in and then go snatch it back. . . a tad tacky. And to what end?From whom are they hiding these things? Anyone who really cares to see them is almost certainly already a devoutee, and has probably already spent an almost embarassing amount of money on their product. And so. . . why would they ever want to yank the chains of those individuals. It is obnoxious and seems a tad purile. You may defend it, of course. We may disagree. Bears in the park, once fed by humans, will attack humans if humans pass by without offering food. That's why there are signs "Do Not Feed The Bears."
The lesson is obvious.
Really?
I'd like to note up front that although this is a reply to the OP's post, it is not directed specifically at the OP but anyone who rails at Warners on the issue of controlling their own property how they see fit.
Warner Brothers might be a corporate pariah, loaded with legal weasels, and a parasite of the most cynical sort of human waste ever brought together to rape profit from honest fans. But anyone complaining about this is just another bear in the park.
I expected to discontinue any sort of frequent perusal of this website starting about six months prior to the release of the second film. I found that the first time through, with An Unexpected Journey, left me more critical of the film that I otherwise would have been had I not read and contributed to all the speculative criticism before the release. I think I stopped at about one month prior and that was not nearly long enough.
Six months is well ahead of most fans here who might wait until the last week before attempting any kind of spoiler discipline. Now with the posting of the preview and these preview threads, I can see the time has already come and gone to stop perusing these forums more than superficially.
No matter how bad Warner might be in your minds, this general reaction is quite spoiled (in the behavioral sense of the word) and distasteful; a shameful example of selfishness and a lack of discipline about something anyone can see in full in a few short months anyway. Would you walk up to Peter Jackson and say these things?
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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AinurOlorin
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Mar 29 2013, 1:30pm
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Ahhh. So that is it. Trying to prod and punish you EE hold outs. lol. I can never be sure I will like the EEs more after ROTK.
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I really hated a wrong headed scene in ROTK Extended. HATED. So. . . while I LOVED Extended Fellowship so much that I wish it had been the Theatrical release, I still am wary of EE after ROTK. I am sure I will love the extended An Unexpected though. Young Bilbo and Old Gandalf etc. Cannot go wrong there. lol. I look forward to the EEs, but. . . I can't wait that long. I really enjoyed the theatrical. . . when I get past Azog and the imbalance of relation in The White Council. because I'm waiting for the EE. I think it's unfair to only put this content along with the theatrical version.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Elenorflower
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Mar 29 2013, 1:58pm
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yes all this marketing stuff is
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leaving a nasty taste in my mouth. Not allowing a Hobbit fan sit to post images yet they rake in the cash for so called sneak peaks is quite repulsive.
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jimmyfenn
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Mar 29 2013, 2:04pm
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im holding out for the EE and i managed to watch it, its not a big deal though really.
i agree EE fotr was great, but recently when i watch TT and ROTK there seems to be a lot of wishy washy filler, particularly arwen/aragorn/elrond, no needed. thats when i go make a coffee.
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DanielLB
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Mar 29 2013, 2:55pm
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Definitely unfinished - the floor is all shiny! /
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JWPlatt
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Mar 29 2013, 3:45pm
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Guess what. I can't think of a single post or cause of yours with which I disagree. Even this one. I just know what corporations are like, including Warners, and I guess my expectations are already low enough to avoid disappointment. I was not going to buy anything less this time around than the EEs as my first purchase. Even then, I'm going to wait to see if The Green Tint is in them and maybe even wait until 2015 or so to buy the complete Middle Earth EE Blu-ray Collection of all six films as my first purchase of The Hobbit. How many of you have the discipline to wait? So I wasn't really invested at all in this marketing madness. You can be a bear in the park or simply choose to be self sufficient. I think to complain about this eternal and predictable sort of marketing manipulation is shaking your fist at the sky. You can choose to not buy into it. And when the choice is there, who really is responsible?
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Tintallë
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Mar 29 2013, 4:01pm
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Although I enjoyed most of the extended edition footage in the LOTR trilogy I felt quite strongly that the theatrical versions were the better films.
I hated the extended Paths of the Dead stuff especially. SO Peter, and so NOT Tolkien. *sigh* Oh well, Peter did right by so many other things that I can forgive him that. Doesn't mean I'll watch it, though.
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